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post #211 of 22868
lrstevens,
Can you try the 24fps output on your samsung please?
post #212 of 22868
Can someone confirm if when you are HDMI out on the 805 if you get an onscreen display of a graphical volume bar when you adjust the volume?
post #213 of 22868
Anyone tried this receiver with Xtrememac HDMI Switcher? does it work???

http://www.xtrememac.com/audio/av_cables/switcher/
post #214 of 22868
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

I just hooked up my Onkyo TX-SR805 and attached my Samsung BD-P1200 to it via hdmi. Since it's been confirmed that the PS3 will not send lossless via bitstream, I decided try my Samsung which is the only other hdmi 1.3 blu-ray player on the market. I popped in Total Recall which is DTS-HD HR and to my dismay it does not send lossless via bitstream. Instead you get an hdmi audio error message and the Onkyo recognizes it as DTS ES discrete. Excuses the crappy images, see the pictures below.

Oh well.

So it's official there is currently no way to send DD+, DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD via bitstream to these receivers.

That really stinks. All this waiting, and this is what we get?
post #215 of 22868
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Originally Posted by rizzxx7 View Post

just bought this one yesterday, I'm going from a denon4306 on my living room and the good old sony str-da4es in my bedroom. I hope that this will out perform my 4306 or its going straight back...

Might be tough for the 805 to out perform the 4306 audio wise. It may equal it though.
post #216 of 22868
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Originally Posted by legierk View Post



It did a real good job of figuring out what was there. It did set my Klipsch Forte's to 150hz crossover point and my Klipsch center speaker at 60hz. I thought that was strange, but I left it alone. The distances and the levels were damn spot on...they have this down to a science! I would love to "see" what the Audyssey does to the EQ, but there is no way to do this. If you change the EQ settings from "Audyssey" to "manual", your Audyssey settings will go out the window (as I gather from the manual....I didn't try it, yet). My subwoofer sounded awesome and it was set at 80hz.


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Maybe I don't understand about Audyssey. Are you saying that after you run the auto measurements and Audyssey sets everything for you. If you go back in and change manually for example: ( crossover points or change speaker from large to small ) then all the figures from the Audyssey setup get erased or not used?
post #217 of 22868
does denon4306 do truehd/dts?
post #218 of 22868
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Originally Posted by dan711 View Post

Maybe I don't understand about Audyssey. Are you saying that after you run the auto measurements and Audyssey sets everything for you. If you go back in and change manually for example: ( crossover points or change speaker from large to small ) then all the figures from the Audyssey setup get erased or not used?

I don't believe that is the case. There is no small/large BTW. There is Full Band or it sets individual Xovers for the speakers. For example, I have Def Teck 7006, CLR2002, and BP2x's and my settings were FL/FR - Full Band, Center=Full band, SL/SR 80hz X-over. You can tweak the levels and distances all you want, it will just save them. Now, going into the actual EQ settings for each speaker, I haven't touched. I looked at it and it looked way over my head so I left it alone. I believe calculating those is what takes the bulk of the time. You have to option to change those as well, just hit save when you are done. I would give the auto-settings a listen before changing anything, especially the individual speaker EQ settings. I think it optimized all that based on your room's acoustics and the listening positions it measures.
post #219 of 22868
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Originally Posted by powerknowledge View Post

"6:01AM: OUT FOR DELIVERY"
I really, really hope I'm reasonably early on the route: I have to leave town for the night at 4PM, and my wife won' t be home from work until 5:30!

Rack space cleared and ready...stretching and weight-training done to get it downstairs...very, very antsy!

I'll try to post pics and/or some kind of review of first impressions over the weekend (assuming I can tear myself away from tweaking it long enough: I don't have near the discipline and spirit of kindness many of you have demonstrated)!


Congrats! Mine still says, "Package not due for delivery" but I bet the guy who updates the computer in Menlo Park is still asleep
post #220 of 22868
I believe you can tweak the Audyssey settings after you run it. just be sure to select Audyssey vs manual for your operating mode when done.
post #221 of 22868
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Originally Posted by grubavs View Post

Congrats! Mine still says, "Package not due for delivery" but I bet the guy who updates the computer in Menlo Park is still asleep

That really sucks, man; I feel for you. Hope the Menlo Park crew wakes up!
post #222 of 22868
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Originally Posted by dobieck1 View Post

I don't believe that is the case. There is no small/large BTW. There is Full Band or it sets individual Xovers for the speakers. For example, I have Def Teck 7006, CLR2002, and BP2x's and my settings were FL/FR - Full Band, Center=Full band, SL/SR 80hz X-over. .

Thanks for the info. So, by full band you mean that your 7006's and center are getting full range of bass?
post #223 of 22868
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Originally Posted by dan711 View Post

Thanks for the info. So, by full band you mean that your 7006's and center are getting full range of bass?

Yep, Full band sends entire signal to the speaker. But, my LR's have built in sub so the speaker will re-direct some (I think) based on its internal X-over. I also have the LFE going to each so they kinda get double Bass. The center is very large so I am not worried about it getting the full band either. I've ran the setup several times and it always gives the center full band. As for the rears, I think DD sends everything below 80hz to the LFE channel, so 80 is a good setting for them too. Don't have to worry about some super low freq blowing the rears, (even though they are pretty big too).

As I said, see what it does, then take a few hours to listen and see how you like it. I think it works great.
post #224 of 22868
Yeeeehaaa...mine's on its way and will be here Monday. Shipping weight is 65.3lbs....holy cow Unfortunently my speakers won't arrive until Thursday

Just a couple of questions:

So....we can't get bitsteamed audio from HD players. If I'm following the logic correctly this simply means you're using the decoders in the HD player vice the AVR so regardless you still get TrueHD/Master Audio, correct?. I can't see how this is that big a deal unless there's reason to believe the AVR's decoders are superior to the player's?

Next question...it looks like this version of Audyssey works with subs. Any more folks check this out? I guess more to the point is how well does Audyssey eq the sub (as opposed to simply balancing it's volume and phase?) I've got a tough room for bass and was beginning to think a sub with built-in eq would be better than the non-eq sub I have. Anybody think separate eq is necessary?
post #225 of 22868
I'm looking forward to receiving my 805. Quick (hopefully) questions about Audyssey. I have a Bose acoustimass system (I know... upgrading to some real speakers is on the todo. But that is a whole separate pain point) which will attempt to apply its own crossover settings. I'm wondering how the Audyssey setup will work with this?? Any thoughts? Hopefully I can get some decent results as it will be a little while before I upgrade the speakers.
post #226 of 22868
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Originally Posted by lespaul91 View Post

I'm looking forward to receiving my 805. Quick (hopefully) questions about Audyssey. I have a Bose acoustimass system (I know... upgrading to some real speakers is on the todo. But that is a whole separate pain point) which will attempt to apply its own crossover settings. I'm wondering how the Audyssey setup will work with this?? Any thoughts? Hopefully I can get some decent results as it will be a little while before I upgrade the speakers.

A long time ago (in a galaxy... etc.) I had a pair of 901s. Their manual said under no circumstances should I connect them to a DD set up (or any kind of sound processing equipment)... don't know if the same applies to the Acoustimass, but I'm betting you cannot defeat the internal sound processing.
post #227 of 22868
Even I've a Bose AM10 and so I called Onkyo tech suport and they said its OK to use this receiver but cannot use the Auddyseey feature as the speakers are not connected directly. Looks like we have the EQ feature and tune this manually!!

Not the best answer I was looking for but dont have a choice as I'm struck with Bose as well!!
post #228 of 22868
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Originally Posted by alljunks View Post

Even I've a Bose AM10 and so I called Onkyo tech suport and they said its OK to use this receiver but cannot use the Auddyseey feature as the speakers are not connected directly. Looks like we have the EQ feature and tune this manually!!

Not the best answer I was looking for but dont have a choice as I'm struck with Bose as well!!

Oh wel... THanks for the info!
post #229 of 22868
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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

I do have a disk authored in DTS HD and DTS HD MA that IS NOT advanced content and the XA2 will not pass that as bitstream either. So it looks like all us THD & DTS MA devotees are SOL until someone gets a player right. Oh well.

What's this non advanced content disc? i'm curious- I thought EVERYTHING on the market right now was authored as advanced content . . .
And I wouldn't say that sending the audio as LPCM = SOL. There shouldn't be a difference between that and the bitstream, really. You're still sending the digital bits, just unzipped from the losslessly compressed DTS or TrueHD bitstream into LPCM. It really shouldn't make any difference audibly.
post #230 of 22868
Alright. The 805s are rolling in, so soon we'll have a complete database of info. That's great.

The microphone cable is right at 20'. It will take a 1/8" phone plug adapter/extension cable.

The Audyssey does EQ the sub, but not very accurately. It certainly blends well with the other speakers, but flat it's not.

I came home from work a little early to play....plus its Friday and the hottest day of the year so far here in Virginia.

Some caveats: The little "enter" button on the supplied remote is too sensitive. I have wasted two complete Audyssey measurement sessions because when I went to push enter, it accidently went to cancel instead. It takes about 40 minutes to do a 6 position measurement with 7.1 speakers. You can imagine how frustrating that is. Normally, I use the supplied remote to do all the setup stuff, because the buttons are labeled already etc. etc. But in this case I have found the correct key on my Harmony 880 and am using that to press enter. SO far so good.

Another remote issue is not the fault of the 805, but my Harmony remote software. Has anyone figured out (if you have a Harmony remote) which inputs are Video 1, Video 2, 3 and 4 are? Jeez, it's hit and miss right now with my Harmony, but for the most part, it does what I need it to.

I did do a cursory check with my DVE full band pink noise and my RT spectrum analyzer and Audyssey has all the speakers (they are unmatched) EQ'd very similar. The Audyssey concentrates on the midrange. Both ends of the spectrum receive little EQ (as far as I can tell. This is not to say it's not doing something with the phase etc.

I did just stick in my SACD DSOTM and it comes through as Multichannel with 5.1 channels showing up. The SB speakers are not working, but for audio only, I don't think I would want them matrixed (but I can change it to PLxII Music if I want).

Oh, I haven't tried it yet, but I'm 99% certain that if you have "Immediate Display" set to ON, you will get your volume adjustments on the OSD. I don't see the need for it, and haven't changed it, but may get around to it if nothing more than to see what it does to the PQ (if anything).

My OSD finally did change to 16:9. I guess it needed a little more time to "shake hands" or something (LOL).
post #231 of 22868
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Originally Posted by elvisizer View Post

What's this non advanced content disc? i'm curious- I thought EVERYTHING on the market right now was authored as advanced content . . .
And I wouldn't say that sending the audio as LPCM = SOL. There shouldn't be a difference between that and the bitstream, really. You're still sending the digital bits, just unzipped from the losslessly compressed DTS or TrueHD bitstream into LPCM. It really shouldn't make any difference audibly.

Didn't say it would, audibly, just testin' stuff. Half this thread and 1/2 dozen others are interested in AVR decoded THD and MA. I personally have absolutely no problem with player decoded PCM, or disk tracked PCM, or my favorite, analog multi. Once again testin' stuff for myself and the interested.

The disk is the DTS HD MA Demonstration Disk from DTS. It has all the DTS HD flavors on it including DTS HD MA 7.1. Its not on the market per se but I hear that you can get one on Ebay in HD or BD, if so inclined.
post #232 of 22868
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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

The disk is the DTS HD MA Demonstration Disk from DTS. It has all the DTS HD flavors on it including DTS HD MA 7.1. Its not on the market per se but I hear that you can get one on Ebay in HD or BD, if so inclined.

weird that you got DTS ES discrete, then . . . .are there even any other players on the market that can pass the bitstream? If we could test a different player, then we'd have a chance to tell if the problem is the 805 or the player . . . .
post #233 of 22868
If used in conjunction with an SMS-1 for the bass, would you recommend letting Audessey do the sub and then use the SMS from there, or setting the sub back to defaults and just use the SMS-1?
post #234 of 22868
I wonder if the new Sony BD player will have a fully functioning HDMI 1.3 output? I'm hoping that the PS3 and the Sammy 1200 can be firmware updated to allow advanced audio bitstream out. There are currently NO players that have internal DTS HD or DTS MA decoding, so we need the receiver to do this job. Scratch that... the updated Panasonic does internally decode DTS HD lossy, but not DTS MA.

Dan
post #235 of 22868
Mine is coming in on monday, and my Xa2 just broke.

No video is coming out from any signal.

Gotta send it in, Very good timing!!!
post #236 of 22868
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Originally Posted by elvisizer View Post

weird that you got DTS ES discrete, then . . . .are there even any other players on the market that can pass the bitstream? If we could test a different player, then we'd have a chance to tell if the problem is the 805 or the player . . . .

No players will pass DTS HD - MA or DD THD - DD+ as bitstream, and that was the purpose of the exercise. BTW, I didn't get DTS ES. The fellow with the Sammy BD P1200 said that. What showed up on my display was DTS 5.1 (as input material), which the AVR played as DTS ES. Switching XA2 to PCM I did get Multi-channel 5.1 and the analog multi also output 5.1.
post #237 of 22868
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Originally Posted by madpoet View Post

If used in conjunction with an SMS-1 for the bass, would you recommend letting Audessey do the sub and then use the SMS from there, or setting the sub back to defaults and just use the SMS-1?

I would like to know this as well. Maybe one the new Audessey receiver (mid-range) implementations will be good enough to allow us to eliminate the SMS-1.
post #238 of 22868
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

I wonder if the new Sony BD player will have a fully functioning HDMI 1.3 output? I'm hoping that the PS3 and the Sammy 1200 can be firmware updated to allow advanced audio bitstream out. There are currently NO players that have internal DTS HD or DTS MA decoding, so we need the receiver to do this job. Scratch that... the updated Panasonic does internally decode DTS HD lossy, but not DTS MA.

Dan

As I understand it Dan. Sammy has no plans to update the P1200 (not that I've recently read), they are coming out with a P1400 that MAY have more goodies. I think the Sony will do DTS HD but not DTS HD MA. Once again, no knowledge on updates. The XA2 is strongly rumored to either allow some form of bitstream or to go up to 7.1 internally in a firmware patch in the 4th quarter. The new Panny BD10A almost does it all but no DTS HD MA. The "soon to be arriving in a Walmart near you," Chinese HD DVD players will probably be fully loaded @ $200. I dunno.

Bottom line is, we need a player/AVR combo that does the job.
post #239 of 22868
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Originally Posted by price3 View Post

lrstevens,
Can you try the 24fps output on your samsung please?

Yes the Onkyo passes 1080p24 without a hitch.
post #240 of 22868
Did any of you early 805 adventurers get any speaker popping when you first started up?
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