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I used a PS2 for the CD update back when I had a 605, so you don't necessarily need a CD player. Probably any DVD or BD player that can output at 44.1kHz will work, too.
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I'm not saying that there hasn't something wrong with the disc or the encoding....just hopeful to get this fixed I guess.

What I am interested about is why LPCM seem quieter than direct bit streaming. I haven't figured out why that occurs....

-Troy

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Originally Posted by riverwolf View Post

All codecs (DD, TrueHD, DTS, DTS-HD, etc.) get decoded to MPCM before any other processing (Audyssey, time delay, bass management, level balancing, etc.) is applied...it's simply a matter of where the decoding to MPCM is done. The 805 can do anything to MPCM that it can do to TrueHD/DTS-HD...actually more since the DSP chips are freed from using cycles on decoding. The oversampling/frequency limit on the TrueHD/DTS-HD bitstreams are lower than MPCM, IIRC.

I'm 99% sure the customer service representative you talked to is either confusing your issue with the DTS bomb or simply telling you what you want to hear to get you off of the phone. Onkyo is not going to expend resources issuing software updates for *7* year old designs, especially when there's no evidence the receiver is at fault. If you get anything from Onkyo, it will either be the "DTS bomb" DSP update from 5-6 years ago (hope you've still got a CD player with an optical output) or the rumored update for Star Wars on Blu-ray from a couple of years ago, which was still a DTS issue. I haven't seen enough discussion of the "SW update" to be completely sure it wasn't just a reissue of the first DSP update for the x05 lineup.

IMHO, the Disney title problems are authoring or pressing issues based on the quick searches I did once you identified your problem title. The best you can hope for is a reissue of the title(s) at some point. You seem to be in denial about this despite the reports of much more recent receiver/player combinations having the same issue with a handful of recent Disney TrueHD titles. In this post, Oppo seems to confirm it's the player having a problem with Dolby's encoding. Similarly, I read another poster here on AVS using the same Marantz receiver with an Oppo and Panny player on MU...dropouts with the Oppo, the Panny played fine. I've got the same Panny player...I'll try to remember to report back once I get around to watching MU with my 805.

-Brent
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DVDO Quick6 is what I intend on upgrading with. Check it out! http://www.dvdo.com/quick6/
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Originally Posted by cambrian View Post

Step 9: This is the hardest part; flip to the back of the PCB, determine the soldering joint of your old resistor; use your soldering iron to melt the solder by putting next to the solder and not the resistor or the board itself. It might take some effort to fully melt down the solder. Be careful not to burn your board.

Take out the older resistor. Insert your new resistor. Use the solder that you purchase from Radioshack and solder the joints. Repeat for R9304 if above doesn't work. Unfortunately I cannot do a step by step for soldering as it is a skill you will have to learn if you are a first-timer.




Enjoy the now working display!

Regarding this fix. Do I have to re calibrate the sound? I have this a few years now but just never had time to fix it. Also, for the resistor, how do I determine which end goes to which hole on the board? I am assuming it doesn't matter tongue.gif

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062294#

TT
Edited by tractng - 1/22/14 at 2:21pm
post #22775 of 22873
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Originally Posted by tractng View Post

Regarding this fix. Do I have to re calibrate the sound? I have this a few years now but just never had time to fix it. Also, for the resistor, how do I determine which end goes to which hole on the board? I am assuming it doesn't matter tongue.gif

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062294#

TT

When I was in electronics repair (40-years ago... holy cr@p!) resistors were not polarized. I assume today's resistors aren't either. If I ever need to do this repair (LOUD knocking on wood!) I will put the resistors in in the way they look most pleasing to my eye biggrin.gif

Don't know about recalibrating the sound... I do mine about every two years or so just for grins.
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Originally Posted by grubavs View Post

When I was in electronics repair (40-years ago... holy cr@p!) resistors were not polarized. I assume today's resistors aren't either. If I ever need to do this repair (LOUD knocking on wood!) I will put the resistors in in the way they look most pleasing to my eye biggrin.gif

Don't know about recalibrating the sound... I do mine about every two years or so just for grins.

Makes sense smile.gif. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by tmuller View Post

I'm not saying that there hasn't something wrong with the disc or the encoding....just hopeful to get this fixed I guess.

What I am interested about is why LPCM seem quieter than direct bit streaming. I haven't figured out why that occurs....

-Troy


Ok. After waiting around for Onkyo to do something, I started reading on the boards about other BR players that would work with the problem discs. I finalized my purchase on a DMP-BDT500P from Panasonic. From every aspect, I couldn't say a bad word about the player (and really, no one else that reviewed it could either). Sure, it's not the latest thing or the Oppo (which was also on my list), but I decided that the extra 350 bucks was better spent elsewhere.

Anyways, enough of that. The entire purpose of this was to see if a more recent BR player would solve the problems I was seeing with TrueHD decoding on my TX-SR805 receiver and I can definitively say that IT DOES! The DMP-BDT500P played all the problem Disney BR discs (monsters university was my test disc) as well as other problem BR discs that I had on hand. Bitstream on baby, the Onkyo can decode it without converting it to PCM (which my original players would only do to 2.0 anyways!).

So for a whopping 159 bucks on Amazon, my problem has been solved and I don't have to upgrade my receiver to a newer model (which wouldn't have probably fixed the issue anyways).

Thanks to everyone who helped out, especially river wolf for pointing me in the right direction and laugsbach for providing me with a later DSP FW.

-troy

P.S. I also have an upgraded DSP1 (12116A) in my receiver. I haven't downgraded (nor do I think I will) to the original that I had before I got the updated DSP FW file. The latest outside this that Onkyo sent me was the original DSP updates that I got when I sent my receiver in for warranty work back in 2009.
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Congrats... trouble is that this is the fix. BD makers' efforts to defeat piracy (professional-for-profit and/or personal copying of one's-actually-owned-discs) will continue and eventually the end user will have to pony up some amount of $/€/¥/£/CHF to watch their expensive BDs.mad.gif
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Originally Posted by tmuller View Post

Anyone ever find out what JFLY got and whether it corrected the trueHD drop outs? I am experience these and am looking for a fix.

Sent jfly a PM already asking but thought maybe others asked as well.

-troy
The DSP firmware update is for the dts bomb issues in the 605, 705, and 805 (that's the popping noise issue)
I have the Onkyo 705 with the "bomb" issue and the drop outs. The firmware update corrected (most) of the "bomb" issues but did not correct the drop outs at all.

Fed up with onkyo and am junking it
post #22780 of 22873
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Originally Posted by bigbarney View Post

The DSP firmware update is for the dts bomb issues in the 605, 705, and 805 (that's the popping noise issue)
I have the Onkyo 705 with the "bomb" issue and the drop outs. The firmware update corrected (most) of the "bomb" issues but did not correct the drop outs at all.

Fed up with onkyo and am junking it

Got this from Onkyo and my response.

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Good Afternoon,

Sorry for the delayed response , but if the issue persists even after having the lastest DSP update then unfortunately this issue cannot be resolved. We do have a trade in program available that lets you trade this receiver for one of our newer models at a discounted price.


Hi,

I've been thinking about how to best phrase this and I still think it may come off different than my intention.

When I started playing Monsters University on my BR player (circa 2007), I assumed that there was an issue with the player, which was relatively old compared to what is out there today. We had purchased a Sony S5100 BR player and I thought that maybe that would solve the issue. It didn't. Then I engaged Onkyo about the issue and I assumed that they would have a fix for this. They didn't.

I then took it upon myself to try and figure out a way to enjoy the discs I purchased, without the audio drop outs. I did research, I hunted high and low for data. The players I had would work JUST fine if I enable PCM output instead of bit streaming the trueHD signal. No audio drop outs from the Onkyo. The problem is that everyone of the players I had would only output PCM 2.0, nothing more than that (in other words, no 7.1 sound). That truly sucks to have a wonderful receiver sit there and output 2 channels from a 7.1 channel source because the player decodes it in that form.

Eventually, I couldn't stand that, so I did some research to find a player that would output MPCM (7.1) from either TrueHD or DTS-MA. I found several, but they were expensive (Oppo and Cambridge to name a few). I then stumbled upon a article about a panasonic BR player that would do what the Oppo or Cambridge would do but at a discounted price (it was a 2012 player, still available). I settled on the BMP-BDT500 from panasonic, hoping it would at least output the sound in a MPCM format that the Onkyo would be able to handle without issue.

Interesting enough, it did. But not only via MPCM 7.1 audio, the player also bit streamed the trueHD audio to the 805 I have WITHOUT ISSUE. I have tested several disney discs that are known to be an issue in other player / AVR combos and they didn't have the issue I was seeing.

I guess my question is, Why does the Panasonic work bit streaming the data to my Onkyo 805, but my two other BR players doing the exact same thing would not? This is the question I am still trying to find an answer too, but probably never will.

Thanks for the offer, I'd love to see what the discounted price is, but I doubt it will match the 159 bucks I spent on the Panasonic player to fix this issue with my existing 805.

-troy
post #22781 of 22873
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Originally Posted by tmuller View Post

Got this from Onkyo and my response.
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Good Afternoon,

Sorry for the delayed response , but if the issue persists even after having the lastest DSP update then unfortunately this issue cannot be resolved. We do have a trade in program available that lets you trade this receiver for one of our newer models at a discounted price.

LOL!
Replace junk with more junk?
Forget it. Onkyo is trash.

I don't know what it is. Maybe it's just the way they build things these days but I have receivers in the closet which are 20 years old and still working fine. For the money I spent, this piece of crap should have lasted a lot longer.

Just picked up a nice new Pioneer SC 65... see ya Onkyo!
post #22782 of 22873
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Originally Posted by bigbarney View Post

LOL!
Replace junk with more junk?
Forget it. Onkyo is trash.

I don't know what it is. Maybe it's just the way they build things these days but I have receivers in the closet which are 20 years old and still working fine. For the money I spent, this piece of crap should have lasted a lot longer.

Just picked up a nice new Pioneer SC 65... see ya Onkyo!

POC? My 805 is going strong. Bought it in 2007 at a discount from an etailer. Not looking back. If it ever dies, I got my money's worth many times over.
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^^ +1
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^ditto. I think there are some issues with the '5-series' of onkyo AVRs, but for the most part they are very solid and reliable from top to bottom.
I know that would be hard to convince someone who has had problems with one of them, but the problems really are few and far between.
I can't say anything about their current lines... perhaps they did start cutting corners and cheap-out on build quality, but... sans for a few bells and whistles in the newer models, I am still perfectly satisfied with my -805 that is still working and sounding like new. smile.gif
post #22785 of 22873
My onkyo 805 is the best receiver I have had. I don't even want to replace it.
post #22786 of 22873
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Originally Posted by bori View Post

My onkyo 805 is the best receiver I have had. I don't even want to replace it.

I agree. The new receivers might have current bells and whistles but the amp on the 805 is a monster. If I ever buy a new one I won't sell the 805 and just use it in another room. The new one needs to have the same power or better.
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Originally Posted by asere View Post

I agree. The new receivers might have current bells and whistles but the amp on the 805 is a monster. If I ever buy a new one I won't sell the 805 and just use it in another room. The new one needs to have the same power or better.

Thats exexactly why I don't want to get rid of it. The power on this thing is great.
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Originally Posted by grubavs View Post

POC? My 805 is going strong. Bought it in 2007 at a discount from an etailer. Not looking back. If it ever dies, I got my money's worth many times over.
That's about the time I bought mine. Not sure you know what you're missing. I didn't... until today anyway. Got my new Pioneer up and running and I'm just amazed at how much my old Onkyo MISSED. The Dolby filters/decoders in the Onkyo receivers are clearly WAAAY off. It's just a world of difference.
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^Seriously? not sure how it's possible for "Dolby" to be way off. Their decoders are specifically coded to a certain spec and can not be deviated from.
More than likely you had some things setup incorrectly if you experienced lackluster audio reproduction with a ~805.
Onkyo sold thousands of the 5-series units and everyone raved about how good they are at what they do. Just sayin...
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

Onkyo sold thousands of the 5-series units and everyone raved about how good they are at what they do. Just sayin...

Yeah... and now they're sending this out:
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Good Afternoon,

Sorry for the delayed response , but if the issue persists even after having the lastest DSP update then unfortunately this issue cannot be resolved. We do have a trade in program available that lets you trade this receiver for one of our newer models at a discounted price.

I used Audyssey to set everything up so if something was out then it was Audyssey. Anyway, it's done. The Onkyo is gone and the Pioneer is pumping out clean balanced sound for once instead of a bunch of pops, clicks and drop outs. It even sounds like real surround sound now!

(Those clicks and pops BTW were coming anytime the dolby decoders (DD, DTS) were involved. Like I said above..... WAAAY off)
Edited by bigbarney - 1/30/14 at 4:09am
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^Audyssey setup has been known to be very tricky in some cases. There are written step by step guides here on AVS that can walk you through the process giving you explicit instructions on how to get Audyssey to give the very best results. Just one little thing wrong like unwanted vibrations on the setup mic, can have negative effects on the setup.
If done meticulously, it will calibrate your room response and EQ very nicely.

As for "clicks and pops", those anomalies were present within the specification of the decoders reacting with the specifications of the Blu-ray audio, and since those specs changed after the ~805 was released to market, then firmware updates to the players and to the AVRs affected were issued to fix them.
As long as the user was able to update their fw, then the issue is moot in point.
At no time were any of those issues the fault of Onkyo or any other OEM affected by the anomalies. I'm just happy they were able to issue a fix, and since that fix was implemented on my ~805 YEARS ago, DD and DTS audio have been flawless. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by bigbarney View Post

That's about the time I bought mine. Not sure you know what you're missing. I didn't... until today anyway. Got my new Pioneer up and running and I'm just amazed at how much my old Onkyo MISSED. The Dolby filters/decoders in the Onkyo receivers are clearly WAAAY off. It's just a world of difference.

There's a LARGE piece of paper (with my signature on it) on our fridge that says, "I will never again spend our hard-earned moneys to replace a correctly functioning piece of audio/video equipment." Life goes on.

As for setting up your 805 (and I know it's gone, but...) using Audyssey, there's correctly doing it and there's incorrectly doing it. e.g., any noise in the house (yep, just about any noise: fridge compressor, air conditioning compressor, kid(s) enjoying life, burping, etc.) while it's doing its thing and it's not correct. e.g. 2, poor mic placement and it's not correct.

Anyway, I've not had any spurious noises from my 805 since I replaced my very expensive 1st-gen Samsung BD player* with my Oppo BDP83. Using any audio decoder results in the absolute best sound, in our two listening positions, that I have ever experienced from A/V stuff. Sorry your 805 experience was bad, glad you resolved it.

* (edit) now that was truly a POC! Poor decoding, many BDs no play, no firmware updates, NO SAMSUNG SUPPORT... NONE!
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My own 805 has been going strong since I bought it in July of 08.

Any suggestions on what to do with an 805 that won't come out of protect mode? This was my brother in-law's. It has been sitting unused for a very long time. I'm not sure what happened, possibly he shorted some amp connections in the back - maybe he had a power surge.

In any case, it won't come out of protect mode for anything. I took it off his hands a few weeks ago. I have inspected it as much as I can without actually removing components. It looks like a few of the caps on at least one of the amp boards look bad. I can see yellowish fibers popping out the top. Anyone know what this signals?
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

^Audyssey setup has been known to be very tricky in some cases. There are written step by step guides here on AVS that can walk you through the process giving you explicit instructions on how to get Audyssey to give the very best results. Just one little thing wrong like unwanted vibrations on the setup mic, can have negative effects on the setup.
If done meticulously, it will calibrate your room response and EQ very nicely.
I thank you for the lesson on Audyssey, but after owning it for more than 7 years I can assure you the lessons are not required wink.gif
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As for "clicks and pops", those anomalies were present within the specification of the decoders reacting with the specifications of the Blu-ray audio, and since those specs changed after the ~805 was released to market, then firmware updates to the players and to the AVRs affected were issued to fix them.
As long as the user was able to update their fw, then the issue is moot in point.
At no time were any of those issues the fault of Onkyo or any other OEM affected by the anomalies. I'm just happy they were able to issue a fix, and since that fix was implemented on my ~805 YEARS ago, DD and DTS audio have been flawless. wink.gif
You didn't read. They didn't issue a fix (for some).
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Good Afternoon,

Sorry for the delayed response , but if the issue persists even after having the lastest DSP update then unfortunately this issue cannot be resolved. We do have a trade in program available that lets you trade this receiver for one of our newer models at a discounted price.
After the firmware update there was a noticeable decrease in popping/clicking/dropping but it didn't completely go away.
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Originally Posted by baniels View Post

My own 805 has been going strong since I bought it in July of 08.

Any suggestions on what to do with an 805 that won't come out of protect mode? This was my brother in-law's. It has been sitting unused for a very long time. I'm not sure what happened, possibly he shorted some amp connections in the back - maybe he had a power surge.

In any case, it won't come out of protect mode for anything. I took it off his hands a few weeks ago. I have inspected it as much as I can without actually removing components. It looks like a few of the caps on at least one of the amp boards look bad. I can see yellowish fibers popping out the top. Anyone know what this signals?

On occasion when mine made its famous 'popping' sound it would pop loud enough to send all the amps into overload, shutting the system down. You can tell when it has shut down on overload because the standby light is blinking. To reset you have to clear the issue then turn it on again. If it's not coming back on then the offending issue has most likely not been cleared yet.

(The fibers are a blown cap. You need to replace it)
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Originally Posted by bigbarney View Post

I thank you for the lesson on Audyssey, but after owning it for more than 7 years I can assure you the lessons are not required wink.gif
You didn't read. They didn't issue a fix (for some).
After the firmware update there was a noticeable decrease in popping/clicking/dropping but it didn't completely go away.

Since that firmware fix years ago, I have never heard any popping sounds coming from the audio output of my ~805.
I suspect that another source like a BD player may have actually been the source of the anomalies you heard.
Just as well, other things like broadband wireless devices being too close to your a/v components can also sometimes cause such anomalies.
If that were the case, then Onkyo could quite possibly have needed to do an additional update to fix that if possible,
but seeing as how we are many years past the ~805 receiving any type of support, that's not going to happen.
Having said that, your complaint of continued popping sounds coming from the ~805 even after doing the firmware updates is the only case of such that I have heard of.
Again I suspect it was probably something else in your setup causing it.
Of course the entire scenario is moot since you no longer own an ~805 and it sounds like you are enjoying your newer Pioneer, and I hope you continue to do so.
The main thing everyone here is trying to accomplish is to get the best audio/(video) production out of what they have, and I think we can all drink to that.

~Cheers wink.gif
post #22797 of 22873
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

I suspect that another source like a BD player may have actually been the source of the anomalies you heard.
It occurred on ALL inputs anytime onkyo had to decode DD or DTS.
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Just as well, other things like broadband wireless devices being too close to your a/v components can also sometimes cause such anomalies.
I spent almost 2 years trying to clear up the issue and the only thing that REALLY worked was getting rid of the Onkyo
post #22798 of 22873
I actually purchased my 805 to replace a Pioneer Elite receiver that had a bunch of firmware bugs. Getting that unit's firmware updated would have required shipping to a distant service center - meaning significant shipping cost to me, possible shipping damage, and multiple weeks without a receiver. At the time, I had as much animosity towards Pioneer as many around here seem to have towards Onkyo.

The 805's DTS/DD processing is no more out-of-spec than any other units of that era. The reality is that technology marches forward and *none* of these devices - regardless of manufacturer - will function perfectly for "20 years" without upgrades of some sort. Whether due to general implementation bugs (ahem, Pioneer), spec-related bugs or changes (often DTS, but recently Dolby), or "app" upgrades (recent Rhapsody streaming format changes, for example)... they will *all* need software updates over time.

It is easy to forget with how quickly tech evolves, but Onkyo's '05 series was on the very bleeding edge of HD audio processing and bitstreaming when introduced. Although the 805's cloak-and-dagger firmware updates were far from painless, the community support was quite good and many of us have been successful in keeping the '05 units up-to-date.

Most AV manufacturers seem to have finally acknowledged the reality that updates are inevitable and now provide fairly simple end-user (vs. service center) network- or USB- based update mechanisms. Time will tell how well each manufacturer supports its products over the long haul.
post #22799 of 22873
So those caps are blown. I wonder what caused that. Could those blown caps be the reason it is not coming out of protect mode?

I'm really not interested in trying to repair it completely, but if I could somehow turn it into a working 2 channel amp, that would be nice. I might be dreaming though.
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Originally Posted by bigbarney View Post


On occasion when mine made its famous 'popping' sound it would pop loud enough to send all the amps into overload, shutting the system down. You can tell when it has shut down on overload because the standby light is blinking. To reset you have to clear the issue then turn it on again. If it's not coming back on then the offending issue has most likely not been cleared yet.

(The fibers are a blown cap. You need to replace it)
post #22800 of 22873
Guys,

After all these years without the lid display (burned resistor), I finally fixed it. Next step is to fix the flickering issue with hdmi. Flickering has been happening since day one but it never bothered me until now. I never done the firmware update (still on 1.04). Looking for a short term solution. I tested hooking up the HDMI bluray to the projector and it worked perfect. Can i hookup the optical from the samsung to the 805? So in my AVR setting, I just change to optical instead of HDMI? Do I lose a lot of sound quality?

Was going to buy the Marantz 7008 but I am going to wait a few months for an AVR that has 2.0 HDMI.

Thanks ahead.
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