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post #31 of 22868
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I would have loved to have taken the day off but were are doing the final touches on a new theater going up today (14 cinemas) so I have to be there for the final layout....

Now I'm out!
post #32 of 22868
Does anyone know if the this receiver will allow individual crossover settings for each speaker and individual lip sync delay for each input? How are the menus?
post #33 of 22868
I am curious about the "hidden" menu.
post #34 of 22868
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Originally Posted by Jon_W View Post

Does anyone know if the this receiver will allow individual crossover settings for each speaker and individual lip sync delay for each input? How are the menus?

1) Yes, individual crossover settings for all channels are allowed. P.86 reads:
"The following crossover frequencies can be specified:
Full Band, 40 Hz, 50 Hz, 60 Hz, 70 Hz, 80 Hz (THX),
90 Hz, 100 Hz, 120 Hz, 150 Hz, or 200 Hz."


2) This is a little less clear. P.99 of the manual reads:
"The Lip Sync function can automatically synchronize
HDMI audio and video that's gotten out of sync due to
the complex digital video processing being performed by
your HDMI-compatible TV. With HDMI Lip Sync, the
audio delay required to synchronize the audio and video
is calculated and applied automatically by the AV
receiver."
Whether the lip sync is input-determinable, and whether it's only applied to HDMI (as seems to be the case), is up in the air right now.

Hope this helps.
post #35 of 22868
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Originally Posted by MrBreeze View Post

Wow. Crystalio, 7 subwoofers, outdoor theater, wifes bar....can you adopt me too Joerod?

Me too.. I don't eat too much. I can clean your house and walk your dog
post #36 of 22868
Not to muddy the waters too much with the whole "does the 805 pass component 1080i as HDMI 1080i" discussion, but looking at p.6 of the manual it clearly says this about the 805:

HDMI upconversion of composite video, S-Video,
and component video sources (720p capable)

Whereas for the 875 it says this (same page):

HDMI upconversion of composite video, S-Video,
and component sources (720p, 1080i, 1080p capable)

This clearly indicates that for the 805, any non-HDMI signal upconverted to HDMI will be output at *up to* 720p. The "hidden menu", if it "works" the same as on the 605, can set 720p as the default HDMI output for all non-HDMI sources.

I bring this up because nobody, as yet, has discussed this in relation to what the manual itself says in its most basic overview. (I know: we all skip the basic stuff to get to the interesting stuff; here, though, it's important and most importantly clear).

The implications:
1) If you're hoping to run 1080i/p component in-->HDMI out, you're going to get 720p. All HDMI signals in-->HDMI signals out, however, pass through unaltered.

2) To get 1080i/p over component through the 805, you have to output that signal over component as well (the signal in this case will pass untouched).

3) This should also put to rest the question of whether activating the "hidden menu" disables your ability to have 1080 component-->1080 HDMI passthrough. It can't, and won't, happen this way regardless of what you do or don't do. So, I would presume that anyone thinking that activating this "option" might somehow irrevocably "break" the upscaling/upconverting capacities of the 805 should put this out of mind. In no scenario could the 805 do this anyway.

4) I'm sure this will be immensely disappointing to some. It won't affect me, and I'm still eagerly awaiting my 805 without reservation. But for those with multiple 1080 component-only sources that were hoping for those signals to be passed at full resolution over HDMI, you may want to reconsider your options (from getting an 875 or a different brand receiver without this "quirk" to simply making different connections to/through the 805 and/or your display).

Hope this helps in the decision-making, and that it provides more calm than concern (yeah, right!).
post #37 of 22868
powerknowledge, a very clear, concise and I feel very accurate description of the 605 and likely the 805, including the "DO NOT PRESS THE BUTTON" or you're screwed concept.

Perhaps one thing should be added and that is there have been a number of viable workarounds suggested and in my case implemented that allow you both worlds. Its just a couple of key presses or some remote control programming to change inputs for HD or SD cable/sat channels.

Thank you a good piece of work.

Also, I don't think anyone yet has tried a 1080P signal component - HDMI. I think I know the outcome but it should be looked into.
post #38 of 22868
powerknowledge, very good point, I was hoping that someone with an 805 could check this and see if they get the same result as what is going on with the 605. I know the manual says that it will have the same issue, but i would like to have verification
post #39 of 22868
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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

powerknowledge, a very clear, concise and I feel very accurate description of the 605 and likely the 805, including the "DO NOT PRESS THE BUTTON" or you're screwed concept.

Perhaps one thing should be added and that is there have been a number of viable workarounds suggested and in my case implemented that allow you both worlds. Its just a couple of key presses or some remote control programming to change inputs for HD or SD cable/sat channels.

Thank you a good piece of work.

Also, I don't think anyone yet has tried a 1080P signal component - HDMI. I think I know the outcome but it should be looked into.

Thanks; all in a day's work (or something).

And yes, dear concerned readers, PLEASE take a look at the multiple workarounds that have been posted in this, the 605, and the overall anticipation thread. There should be a permutation that fits nearly any scenario, and most are perfectly non-intrusive and less of a pain in the arse than you might think. (To shorten your search, look at posts by our good mrgribbles: he's been a real trouper with this and has come up with the best and most clearly-described solutions). At the end of it all, I think that the 805 is still an excellent choice for the majority of us, its considerable assets outweighing this strange, but for many folks minor-to-inconsequential, weakness.
post #40 of 22868
A bigger weakness in these products for my use is that I would rather have 480i component output at 480i HDMI and not have it scaled at all (720 or 1080 either one) I don't want my receiver to ever scale anything, only transcode analogue to digital.
post #41 of 22868
Price3,
Most receivers which transcode cannot overlay OSD.
What are you using at 480I componet out.. dvd player?
post #42 of 22868
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Originally Posted by price3 View Post

A bigger weakness in these products for my use is that I would rather have 480i component output at 480i HDMI and not have it scaled at all (720 or 1080 either one) I don't want my receiver to ever scale anything, only transcode analogue to digital.

So long as you don't force the 805 into the 720p output mode (leaving it in the default "normal"), I believe that at "worst" it would output 480i as 480p (which I, and most, thought was the whole purpose of the DCDi implementation). What's unclear is whether you can defeat DCDi and pass 480i as 480i. We'll see.
post #43 of 22868
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Originally Posted by price3 View Post

A bigger weakness in these products for my use is that I would rather have 480i component output at 480i HDMI and not have it scaled at all (720 or 1080 either one) I don't want my receiver to ever scale anything, only transcode analogue to digital.

In order to have the 605 (and I assume 805) not touch the signal you must go out the way you came in. Comp in comp out. HDMI in HDMI out. You're scenario will output 480p. Component 480i in 480p HDMI out.
post #44 of 22868
so, to avoid multiple scalers in the signal path, I'd probably want to run HDMI and component from the 805 to my TV, and have the HDMI inputs route to the HDMI output, and the component ins going to the component out. Can the 805 be configured to do this? Or will I have to be constantly switching the output between HDMI and component? thanks!!
post #45 of 22868
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Originally Posted by price3 View Post

A bigger weakness in these products for my use is that I would rather have 480i component output at 480i HDMI and not have it scaled at all (720 or 1080 either one) I don't want my receiver to ever scale anything, only transcode analogue to digital.

Just curious....why don't you want the reciever to "ever scale anything"?
post #46 of 22868
My Onkyo TX-SR805B will be at my house from (1call) on monday June 11

Can't wait for the full glory of PCM5.1, Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD Master and 7.1 Multi Channel for DVD Audio and SACD

Regards,
post #47 of 22868
YAHOOOOOOOOOOTIE!!!!

My 805B shipped yesterday from 1call and will be delivered nlt 8Jun at 1630 PDT

Complaints? Only one, they said they'd notify me prior to shipping... didn't happen Fortunately it'll be here before the weekend

I won't be able to set it up 'till 19Jun earliest, but by then I'm bettin' all these questions will be sorted out and I'll just have a few minutes work to begin enjoying a great receiver!!!


Now I'm going to have to learn how to do special button programming of my 880
post #48 of 22868
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Originally Posted by grubavs View Post

YAHOOOOOOOOOOTIE!!!!

My 805B shipped yesterday from 1call and will be delivered nlt 8Jun at 1630 PDT

Complaints? Only one, they said they'd notify me prior to shipping... didn't happen Fortunately it'll be here before the weekend

I won't be able to set it up 'till 19Jun earliest, but by then I'm bettin' all these questions will be sorted out and I'll just have a few minutes work to begin enjoying a great receiver!!!


Now I'm going to have to learn how to do special button programming of my 880

Not to worry. I did some special button programming on my 890 and it was pretty smooth. Worst part for me won't even apply to you: I have to unplug and update the RF -> IR blaster every time I update the remote.
post #49 of 22868
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Originally Posted by grubavs View Post

YAHOOOOOOOOOOTIE!!!!

My 805B shipped yesterday from 1call and will be delivered nlt 8Jun at 1630 PDT

Complaints? Only one, they said they'd notify me prior to shipping... didn't happen Fortunately it'll be here before the weekend

I won't be able to set it up 'till 19Jun earliest, but by then I'm bettin' all these questions will be sorted out and I'll just have a few minutes work to begin enjoying a great receiver!!!


Now I'm going to have to learn how to do special button programming of my 880

Congrats! One thing though, since it's Fedex Express Saver it might even come tomorrow! They sometimes come a day early!
post #50 of 22868
There is going to be a matching HDDVD player for this receiver, the DV-HD805.
post #51 of 22868
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Originally Posted by blackmax2k1 View Post

Congrats! One thing though, since it's Fedex Express Saver it might even come tomorrow! They sometimes come a day early!

That would be most excellent!!! It's in Oakland now. I cannot believe how well this is working out, knock on wood
and thanks again!
post #52 of 22868
Can anybody comment on if the receiver will implement LFE correctly? In other words, can I expect to get normal LFE if I hook up my XA2 to this AVR via HDMI? It's well known that not all HDMI-equipped AVRs can process the audio correctly.

Thank you,
post #53 of 22868
I was originally going to order a Yamaha but after reading these threads I have decided on the Onkyo 805 - Just ordered one from J&R! What I would like to know is why they are $100 below everyone else?

Anyway, to everyone: thanks for this (and the 605) informative thread.
post #54 of 22868
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Originally Posted by elvisizer View Post

so, to avoid multiple scalers in the signal path, I'd probably want to run HDMI and component from the 805 to my TV, and have the HDMI inputs route to the HDMI output, and the component ins going to the component out. Can the 805 be configured to do this? Or will I have to be constantly switching the output between HDMI and component? thanks!!

If I understand you correctly, here's what happens in your scenario (drawing from the little "flow chart" on p.28 of the manual):
1) With HDMI monitor output on, all signals (non-HDMI and HDMI) will go over the HDMI out,
2) BUT the other ins/outs will ALSO pass through on their respective registers, automatically and without having to switch anything on the Onkyo.

This is to say that having the HDMI monitor output on does NOT disable other signals from passing through on their own register. Run component in, component out and HDMI out and that component in will go out over both.

So it plays like this:
You do HDMI into your 805 and out to you monitor. Through this you could watch anything from any connected input, over this connection.
BUT if you want to see your component signal "unadulterated", run a component out to your monitor too: it will pass itself along.

The only switching you should have to do would be between inputs on your monitor, so when you want component you get component, HDMI you get HDMI. You don't need to do anything to the 805 but run the cables in and out.
post #55 of 22868
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Originally Posted by Frayed.Knot View Post

Not to worry. I did some special button programming on my 890 and it was pretty smooth. Worst part for me won't even apply to you: I have to unplug and update the RF -> IR blaster every time I update the remote.

So the Harmony 890 does not have a preset for this yet? What do you mean by special button programming?
post #56 of 22868
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Originally Posted by whodean View Post

So the Harmony 890 does not have a preset for this yet? What do you mean by special button programming?

I wasn't referring to the new Onkyo 805 specifically. I programmed some buttons manually from my Moto DVR because the Harmony database didn't seem to have the "Last" button for menu navigation. I "taught" the Harmony with the Moto remote and programmed it into one of the soft buttons.

I won't be buying a new receiver until the end of Summer (heading to India for work), so I can't comment directly on the *05 series, but my previous experience with Onkyo and Harmony codes has been positive.
post #57 of 22868
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Originally Posted by Dalat View Post

Can anybody comment on if the receiver will implement LFE correctly? In other words, can I expect to get normal LFE if I hook up my XA2 to this AVR via HDMI? It's well known that not all HDMI-equipped AVRs can process the audio correctly.

Thank you,


I believe in the 605 owners thread someone said that LFE was normal, so I imagine 805 is fine as well. I don't have any first-hand proof though.
post #58 of 22868
For the last 9 years, I had a Pio Elite THX Ultra receiver. It basically had one THX mode (THX Cinema), which wrapped ReEQ into the processing. And I found it pretty great.

Now, an embarassment of EQ riches with the 805, and I don't know how, if at all, they'll impact or overlap with one another:

Audyssey: Never had or used this, but as described it not only sets speaker levels, distance, crossover, etc., it also performs corrective equalization for full(er) frequency range response throughout the room. Sounds great, and have heard great things about it. I'd really like to use this, as my HT room has some funky properties that it might compensate for.

THX Cinema: Here's where the fun begins. I love, love, love how this worked in my Pio. Smooth, natural, enveloping. This in large part is because it too does some adjusting: nothing as room-specific as the Audyssey, but more general tonal/spatial stuff.

ReEQ: Now this was not defeatable in my Pio, but I liked the "harshness rolloff" it provided in general. I LOVE the fact that in the 805 it can be defeated independently of THX Cinema processing (esp. for "optimized" soundtracks, as on many New Line releases that warn against applying ReEQ), but it's nice to have as an option for everything else.

So here's the problem:
How, and in what ways, could these stack on top of each other, interfere with each other, cancel each other out, etc.? Ideally, they'd each semi-transparently do their own part. But I fear, say, a doubling of high-end rolloff by combining these, or a sort of "deadening" (if that word makes sense) of the whole soundstage, or one set of EQs EQing another set of EQs, only then to get ReEQed!

This is the kind of thing that drives me batty. I know that, in the end, it'll boil down to "what sounds best." But if anyone knows the cold, hard facts about how these things impact the signal and impact each other, I'd love to have that info.
post #59 of 22868
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Originally Posted by powerknowledge View Post

If I understand you correctly, here's what happens in your scenario (drawing from the little "flow chart" on p.28 of the manual):
1) With HDMI monitor output on, all signals (non-HDMI and HDMI) will go over the HDMI out,
2) BUT the other ins/outs will ALSO pass through on their respective registers, automatically and without having to switch anything on the Onkyo.

This is to say that having the HDMI monitor output on does NOT disable other signals from passing through on their own register. Run component in, component out and HDMI out and that component in will go out over both.

So it plays like this:
You do HDMI into your 805 and out to you monitor. Through this you could watch anything from any connected input, over this connection.
BUT if you want to see your component signal "unadulterated", run a component out to your monitor too: it will pass itself along.

The only switching you should have to do would be between inputs on your monitor, so when you want component you get component, HDMI you get HDMI. You don't need to do anything to the 805 but run the cables in and out.

sweet, thanks powerknowledge, that's exactly what I was hoping to hear. no hassles and no superfluous scaling. perfect.
post #60 of 22868
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but . . .

Will the 805 switch an HDMI input to a component out (at 720p)? My projector is connected via a 60' component cable which is pretty buried and difficult to replace with DVI.
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