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post #301 of 22607
6/9/07 at 8:23am
can anyone get a picture of the top of the unit so we can see part of what's inside ?
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post #302 of 22607
6/9/07 at 8:27am
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Originally Posted by neekos View Post

can anyone get a picture of the top of the unit so we can see part of what's inside ?

Sorry, I would've done this before I put this bad boy in my rack. Any one got one on the way willing to do this?
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post #303 of 22607
6/9/07 at 8:45am
After reading the positive reviews on the Onkyo, I ordered one from J&R last evening. Having had Denon's 5600 then 5700, and for the past 5 years the 5803, I am sad that Denon has simply not kept pace with HDMI 1.x, and other improvements, as Onkyo has.

It was a disappointment comparing the specs of even the Denon flagship 5805 to the Onkyo TX-SR805 regarding HDMI, etc.. I would have gladly paid a 2X premium over the Onkyo TX-SR805 price for a comparable Denon AVR receiver - - but alas, no such product from Denon now, or on the immediate horizon.

As I work in the Semiconductor biz here in Silicon Valley, I know first-hand that staying ahead in innovation is key to continued success. Denon seems far behind on the HDMI 1.x feature-set and other specs needed in today's Home Theater market.

Anyway, I look forward to a new "chapter" with the Onkyo AVR.

Ray

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post #304 of 22607
6/9/07 at 8:49am
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After reading the positive reviews on the Onkyo, I ordered one from J&R last evening. Having had Denon's 5600 then 5700, and for the past 5 years the 5803, I am sad that Denon has simply not kept pace with HDMI 1.x, and other improvements, as Onkyo has.

It was a disappointment comparing the specs of even the Denon flagship 5805 to the Onkyo TX-SR805 regarding HDMI, etc.. I would have gladly paid a 2X premium over the Onkyo TX-SR805 price for a comparable Denon AVR receiver - - but alas, no such product from Denon now, or on the immediate horizon.

Denon does have new hdmi 1.3 models coming out. The 3808CI and the 4308CI are expected in 4-6 weeks.
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post #305 of 22607
6/9/07 at 9:12am
Irstevens,

What additional features will the Denon 4308CI have over the Onkyo when it does arrive later this year? The Onkyo can be had for under $1000 TODAY - - the Denon will be well over $2000 when it arrives.

As a long time Denon "loyalist" I am truly sad to see Denon falling behind in the AVR race. Their having a "5808" mock-up faceplate (only) on display at CES was to me, indicative of their not being in touch with HDMI, Blue-Ray, HD-DVD, etc. in the 2007 market.

Ray

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post #306 of 22607
6/9/07 at 9:23am
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Irstevens,

What additional features will the Denon 4308CI have over the Onkyo when it does arrive later this year? The Onkyo can be had for under $1000 TODAY - - the Denon will be well over $2000 when it arrives.

As a long time Denon "loyalist" I am truly sad to see Denon falling behind in the AVR race. Their having a "5808" mock-up faceplate (only) on display at CES was to me, indicative of their not being in touch with HDMI, Blue-Ray, HD-DVD, etc. in the 2007 market.

Ray

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That's where things get sketchy. Denon is rumored to be releasing the specs in the next week or so. My guess is that they went back to lab when they realized Onkyo was using Reon chips in its receivers. Check out this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=801887
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post #307 of 22607
6/9/07 at 9:48am
woohoo, mine shipped on friday, will be here on monday. any other harmony remote tips other than the list of which video input is which?
thanks!
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post #308 of 22607
6/9/07 at 11:48am
Anyone know a place witch accept order from Canada? or a Canadian online onkyo dealer with the 805 price?... this will be my next receiver..
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post #309 of 22607
6/9/07 at 12:01pm
man, it's getting more and more difficult to wait for the 875/905 after reading this thread.
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post #310 of 22607
6/9/07 at 12:21pm
CC got mine in today, so should be getting it within the next hour!!! Gave me the price of the silver one too.
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post #311 of 22607
6/9/07 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by ryoohki View Post

Anyone know a place witch accept order from Canada? or a Canadian online onkyo dealer with the 805 price?... this will be my next receiver..

Western Canadian rep said this reciever will be all over canada in August.. if you can wait. the dvd player should be here shortly after.
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post #312 of 22607
6/9/07 at 12:32pm
Any rumors or talk of when the 875 is going to be around. Anybody with first hand information. I changed my order from the 805 to the 875 because I need the Reon processor. Has anybody from J&R posted on here at all? When I call them they seem too busy to know what's in and what's going out. They must be making a fortune off of these new Onkyo receivers.
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post #313 of 22607
6/9/07 at 12:47pm
805 is on the way but I have a question that I can't find in the forums or the manual.

For the most part Projectors don't do audio. If I am using HDMI in and HDMI out to my projector how can I handle the audio of each of the HDMI audio out to the speakers? Can I simply use the Optical 1 and 2 in. If that's the case sure wish the 805 had 3 inputs.
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post #314 of 22607
6/9/07 at 12:50pm
i've ordered my 805 a few weeks ago. should be here mon or tues. anyone able to do a sound comparison between the onkyo, denons, and pioneers? there are no retailers that carry all 3. i'd like to get some info on what your experiences are.
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post #315 of 22607
6/9/07 at 1:04pm
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805 is on the way but I have a question that I can't find in the forums or the manual.

For the most part Projectors don't do audio. If I am using HDMI in and HDMI out to my projector how can I handle the audio of each of the HDMI audio out to the speakers? Can I simply use the Optical 1 and 2 in. If that's the case sure wish the 805 had 3 inputs.

If you are using HDMI from a source such as a DVD player, Blu-ray, or a Cable settop then you would just connect it into one of the HDMI-in on the receiver. The audio will be decoded from the HDMI cable since it is able to carry audio and video on it. Your receiver will then play the audio part while the HDMI-out from the receiver will be connected to your projector, and that will play your video.

Yes, you can use your Optical for audio on your receiver as well.
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post #316 of 22607
6/9/07 at 1:10pm
Here's a question for the group. When I change channels and/or sources, the first thing that pops up in the (unit) display is:

DIALOG NORM
+4db

Has anyone else seen this? I noticed that 5.1 channel sources come in as Ultra2 Cinema and 2.0 channel sources decode as THX Cinema. I mention that becasue maybe this DIALOG NORM is a THX thing that I'm ignorant about. Most of my audio is bitstream via HDMI.
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post #317 of 22607
6/9/07 at 1:26pm
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Here's a question for the group. When I change channels and/or sources, the first thing that pops up in the (unit) display is:

DIALOG NORM
+4db

Has anyone else seen this? I noticed that 5.1 channel sources come in as Ultra2 Cinema and 2.0 channel sources decode as THX Cinema. I mention that becasue maybe this DIALOG NORM is a THX thing that I'm ignorant about. Most of my audio is bitstream via HDMI.

That is a very good question. What you are seeing is how the current audio input level differs from one input or broadcast to another. Simply, if you increase the volume by 4db the sound level will be at the same (heard) level as you experienced during the previous event.

49Merc
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post #318 of 22607
6/9/07 at 2:18pm
Well I received my 805 yesterday and have had a chance to set it up and give this receiver a whirl! So here are my thoughts:

My previous receiver was the Pioneer Elite VSX-74TXVi.

Anyway, starting out, the difference in weight was pretty significant from just moving the two around! Getting the system set up was a breeze, for the most part. Hooking things up, changing the inputs, etc, were all easy. The only part that I couldn't exactly figure out was how to get the OSD to show up on the TV. I had everything set properly, HDMI Monitor Out set to "Yes" and everything was "as it should be", but after toying with it and finally trying the "Hidden Menu" just fiddling with things. I didn't really do anything in the menu and then I left the "Hidden Menu" and all of a sudden, I was able to get my OSD to show up on the TV!

Anyway, after getting everything set up (minus the Audessey Calibration) I fired everything up and tested out my Blu-ray and HD-DVDs! Since I had the 74TXVi, which didn't pass a 1080p signal, I was excited to be able to finally get a 1080p signal to be passed. Well, sure enough, I set my Xbox 360 and PS3 to 1080p and had no problems with it. Both of them looked quite a bit improved (not that it's to the TX-SR805's credit), but being able to pass the 1080p signal was fantastic for me!

Audio-wise, when I tested, obviously I cannot pass the Dolby True HD or DTS-HD MA, but I tested the PCM, compared to what I remembered of my 74TXVi. Without doing the auto-calibration yet, I was already pretty impressed with the receiver's sound quality. As someone else mentioned, the vocals were a lot more easier to hear. I am a fan of the THX post processing, and I used the Select2 setting on my 74TXVi, so I was very excited to see what the Ultra2 would do, and more specifically, if it actually WOULD make a difference. Indeed it did. Something about my room, I guess, which fits in the "small-medium" size, was simply better suited with the Ultra2 which was more designed for the "medium-large" rooms. So the difference I noticed was the panning through the surrounds seemed more fluid overall, when comparing to the Select2 setting. Definite plus, in my book!

Next I tested my SACDs via the PS3's output. One thing to mention, the 74TXVi couldn't accept the higher sample-rate signals so anything I sent had to be downconverted to 96Hz, so I wanted to try to see if the higher sample-rates worked with the TX-SR805. Sure enough, they did! One thing to note: If you are using the PS3, and if you do the automatic detect for the HDMI sound output, it will only recognize it as 2 channel output. Simply just set it to "Manual" and check all the boxes and it will work. As for the SACD sound quality, checking the display for the Onkyo, sure enough it read 176Hz at multi channel and it sounded GOOD! the vocals, instruments, etc all sounded more natural and more spacious, too! It gave a better sense of "being there" in the audience when listening to passages that I tested! Score another one for the 805!

Overall, I am very impressed with the Onkyo, compared to the Pioneer Elite. Yes, the Elite still sounded "warmer" but, going from the Elite to the Onkyo, thus far, the Onkyo sounds more natural to me. One of the features I really desired was the ability to put variable crossovers for my different speakers, which the Onkyo allows, which is a HUGE plus for me! Like I said before, I haven't even touched the Audessey Calibration, but I will likely get to that today. I am interested to see how it compares to the MCACC of the Pioneer receivers.

Now for the only bad thing thus far... Yes, I did notice a little bit of popping on a couple occasion, hopefully it will go away, but if it doesn't, it's hardly something I will be complaining too much about, though.

As far as this receiver goes, I will DEFINITELY be keeping this one! You really can't go wrong with this all that this receiver offers at $1000.00!
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post #319 of 22607
6/9/07 at 2:20pm
49 Merc. I tested it the way you described, just now and I can report that I have no hum.

I know that the 74 I had, did in fact have the hum issue.
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post #320 of 22607
6/9/07 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by Jim OD View Post

805 is on the way but I have a question that I can't find in the forums or the manual.

For the most part Projectors don't do audio. If I am using HDMI in and HDMI out to my projector how can I handle the audio of each of the HDMI audio out to the speakers? Can I simply use the Optical 1 and 2 in. If that's the case sure wish the 805 had 3 inputs.


Your HDMI out from your DVD player will go into the Onkyo's HDMI input. The Onkyo's HDMI output will go to your projector. The Onkyo handles the audio from your DVD player and also sends the video signal to the projector.
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post #321 of 22607
6/9/07 at 2:24pm
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I'm back! I have been playing a lot with the 805 and now the new Pioneer ELITE BDP 94HD player. Wow, now this is a good combo. This with the XA2 has me very happy!

P.S. As I stated before I do not have any HUM issues either... And I did do your test to...
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post #322 of 22607
6/9/07 at 2:25pm
No hum here either.
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post #323 of 22607
6/9/07 at 2:32pm
ANALOG UPCONVERSION OVER HDMI DOES NOT WORK? ive tried a vcr, nes, and genesis, the analog composite upconversion over hdmi doesnt work...the screen shakes and goes all over the place...when i plug directly into my tv everything is OK. please advise, these worked fine on my old denon.

i also tried analog upconversion over component, and it doesnt work either.

could some1 else please test this w/ their 805 i would appreciate it
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post #324 of 22607
6/9/07 at 2:34pm
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I'm back! I have been playing a lot with the 805 and now the new Pioneer ELITE BDP 94HD player. Wow, now this is a good combo. This with the XA2 has me very happy!

P.S. As I stated before I do not have any HUM issues either... And I did do your test to...


Hey Joe any chance that the Pioneer passes the bitstream to the 805 and gives a reading of True HD on the 805? Just wondered since this is one of the newest available BD players, and you're the only one I know that has it and the 805.
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post #325 of 22607
6/9/07 at 2:41pm
The Pioneer is hdmi 1.2a, I would be shocked if it did.
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post #326 of 22607
6/9/07 at 2:43pm
I didn't realize it was 1.2a. Hard to believe it isn't 1.3 being as new as it is.
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post #327 of 22607
6/9/07 at 2:43pm
aetherhole, thx for your review. that was helpful.
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post #328 of 22607
6/9/07 at 2:52pm
I just got the 805 and XA2 and to be honest I have not noticed much of a difference between TrueHD and the DD soundtracks sent via HDMI. It really doesn't sound any different than my xbox360 hd-dvd player, I just don't think it is worth the $ so I am debating sending it back to amazon and just using the 360 hddvd. My blu-ray movies(PS3) via PCM sound amazing, the best I have heard is letters from iwo jima via dolby true HD, it sounds amazing. Am I doing something wrong with the XA2? I might just wait for a better player to come out that does bitstream....thanks for the help
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post #329 of 22607
6/9/07 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by Aetherhole View Post

Well I received my 805 yesterday and have had a chance to set it up and give this receiver a whirl! So here are my thoughts:

My previous receiver was the Pioneer Elite VSX-74TXVi.

Anyway, starting out, the difference in weight was pretty significant from just moving the two around! Getting the system set up was a breeze, for the most part. Hooking things up, changing the inputs, etc, were all easy. The only part that I couldn't exactly figure out was how to get the OSD to show up on the TV. I had everything set properly, HDMI Monitor Out set to "Yes" and everything was "as it should be", but after toying with it and finally trying the "Hidden Menu" just fiddling with things. I didn't really do anything in the menu and then I left the "Hidden Menu" and all of a sudden, I was able to get my OSD to show up on the TV!

Anyway, after getting everything set up (minus the Audessey Calibration) I fired everything up and tested out my Blu-ray and HD-DVDs! Since I had the 74TXVi, which didn't pass a 1080p signal, I was excited to be able to finally get a 1080p signal to be passed. Well, sure enough, I set my Xbox 360 and PS3 to 1080p and had no problems with it. Both of them looked quite a bit improved (not that it's to the TX-SR805's credit), but being able to pass the 1080p signal was fantastic for me!

Audio-wise, when I tested, obviously I cannot pass the Dolby True HD or DTS-HD MA, but I tested the PCM, compared to what I remembered of my 74TXVi. Without doing the auto-calibration yet, I was already pretty impressed with the receiver's sound quality. As someone else mentioned, the vocals were a lot more easier to hear. I am a fan of the THX post processing, and I used the Select2 setting on my 74TXVi, so I was very excited to see what the Ultra2 would do, and more specifically, if it actually WOULD make a difference. Indeed it did. Something about my room, I guess, which fits in the "small-medium" size, was simply better suited with the Ultra2 which was more designed for the "medium-large" rooms. So the difference I noticed was the panning through the surrounds seemed more fluid overall, when comparing to the Select2 setting. Definite plus, in my book!

Next I tested my SACDs via the PS3's output. One thing to mention, the 74TXVi couldn't accept the higher sample-rate signals so anything I sent had to be downconverted to 96Hz, so I wanted to try to see if the higher sample-rates worked with the TX-SR805. Sure enough, they did! One thing to note: If you are using the PS3, and if you do the automatic detect for the HDMI sound output, it will only recognize it as 2 channel output. Simply just set it to "Manual" and check all the boxes and it will work. As for the SACD sound quality, checking the display for the Onkyo, sure enough it read 176Hz at multi channel and it sounded GOOD! the vocals, instruments, etc all sounded more natural and more spacious, too! It gave a better sense of "being there" in the audience when listening to passages that I tested! Score another one for the 805!

Overall, I am very impressed with the Onkyo, compared to the Pioneer Elite. Yes, the Elite still sounded "warmer" but, going from the Elite to the Onkyo, thus far, the Onkyo sounds more natural to me. One of the features I really desired was the ability to put variable crossovers for my different speakers, which the Onkyo allows, which is a HUGE plus for me! Like I said before, I haven't even touched the Audessey Calibration, but I will likely get to that today. I am interested to see how it compares to the MCACC of the Pioneer receivers.

Now for the only bad thing thus far... Yes, I did notice a little bit of popping on a couple occasion, hopefully it will go away, but if it doesn't, it's hardly something I will be complaining too much about, though.

As far as this receiver goes, I will DEFINITELY be keeping this one! You really can't go wrong with this all that this receiver offers at $1000.00!

This is an excellent review. What kind of speakers do you have connected to the 805?
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post #330 of 22607
6/9/07 at 3:05pm
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joerod;
If I understand you correctly from another post, you seem to loop your signals first through the AVR and then through the VP, rather than the other way around; and this despite your CrystalioII having those 4 inputs and 2 outs.

Can you shed some light to why you chose that signal path?

TIA!
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Joe;
Good to have you back.
I posted this a few days ago and was wondering if you could comment on this, please.

TIA!
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