"The" Onkyo TX-SR805 Thread - Page 249

Why keep exchanging post after post about a non-issue as if someone needs to prove something. There are now thousands of these receivers in-use ...yet no actaull reports of such a fault. If this was a true risk you clearly would see a recall. Yes it is a powerful unit, and yes it does run hot. However, it does not represent the type of risk that you keep talking about. The product is an "engineered" consumer product ...it has as such, been tested by the manufacturer; in my opinion it is a safe product.

I'm getting a Dolby True HD signal from my A35, when I hit display the 805 shows it running at 48hz. My question is, is it supposed to be running at 48 or 96hz and is there a way to change between them?

I'm not aware of any movies with more than 48KHz audio on disk.

There are some music disks with 96kHz audio. If you have a Blu-ray player with bitstream output like the Panasonic DMP-BD30, you should get the Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds: Live at Radio City disk. It has an excellent 24-bit, 96kHz TrueHD surround track.

Thanks for clarifying!

On a side note, I honestly can't say I noticed a difference in sound between DD and DTHD. I have a Def Tech 5.1 system, everything is calibrated, I hoped there would've been more to hear with DTHD.

How noticable is the audio sync problem and all the time or just first 2-3 secs? Thx.

Most movies >10 years old were mastered with 16-bit, 48kHz (16/48) sound, while most movies mastered in the past five years should have 24-bit, 48kHz (24/48) studio tracks.

Unfortunately, due to space and/or bandwidth requirements, those 24-bit tracks don't always make it to disk. A number of HD-DVD titles have 16/48 TrueHD tracks that were created by downconverting the original 24/48 track; this was done for bandwidth reasons. A number of Blu-ray titles also have 16/48 LPCM tracks that were created by downconverting the original 24/48 track; this was done due to space limitations on BD25.

A number of Dolby Digital Plus tracks on HD-DVD are encoded with 24-bit, 48kHz fidelity (1.5Mbps). There is some debate whether a "lossless" 16/48 TrueHD track -- created by downconverting the original 24/48 track -- really sounds better than a "lossy" 24/48 Dolby Digital Plus track.

FOX is the only studio to include the original 24/48 track (in DTS-HD MA) on all of its titles. Disney puts 24/48 LPCM on most of its titles that use BD50 (but not BD25) disks. HighDefDigest provides the audio specifications for every HD-DVD and Blu-ray release.

It is generally accepted that -- given the right equipment -- most humans can differentiate between 16-bit and 20-bit sound, but not between 20-bit and 24-bit sound. The Burr-Brown PCM1796 DACs in the SR805 are capable of resolving 20-bit sound, while the cheaper PCM1791 DACs in most other <$2000 receivers are only capable of resolving 18-bit sound. Of course, the built-in amplifier and your speakers may or may not be able to resolve those differences.

It is not going to jump out at you, but you will appreciate the subtle differences. Clarity, more detail, etc. It's the subtle differences that make lossless worth it.

so is the warranty needed on this for a refurb'ed one? refurbished receivers only have a one year warranty though they offer an additional two years.

I am considering the extra warranty. Anyone know if you can use your Onkyo points towards the warranty?

For all those who feel strongly (one way or another) concerning the smoke, spark, fire issue relating to the 805 (and the other new Onkyo receivers), feel free to jump into the fray here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=916212

You will see that there have been at least several units that have smoked and sparked but none (so far, at least) that have actually caught fire.

Thanks for all the great info., make the buyer much more informed

Just wondering, for the folks who order refurb. 805 from shoponkyo, what all did you get? Did you get the AC cord, Auto Speaker Calibration W/Mic., remote?

Apart from receiver being refurbished and warranty for 1yr only, do we missing anything else when we order from shoponkyo ?

thanks,

Very good info. Thank you!

I actually did notice a more robust sound when using DD+ ...perhaps it was the portion of that particular soundtrack. Troy was the movie that to me sounded no different in DTHD vs DD, i'll give it another run tonight and see if I pick anything up.

My refurb came with the power cord, remote (no batteries, takes 3 AA I think), calibration MIC and manuals. The receiver of course.

thanks PJINMN, I was wondering because there is a disclaimer on the website about no cables, batteries or labels.

1. Select DDTHD from the disc's audio menu
2. Set up the onkyo's input (the one the XA2 or XE1 is connected) to decode DDTHD when DDTHD is input.
3. Set the XA2/XE1 audio settings to:

HDMI -> bitstream
Digital Direct Audio Mode to ON.

Actually, not only did mine come with the Audyssy mic, remote, and manuals, but it also included the batteries AND the labels as well. It truly was like buying a new product.

Don't forget about setting DIGITAL OUT HDMI in the XA2:

To Enable HBR, Set DIGITAL DIRECT AUDIO MODE to ON and DIGITAL OUT HDMI to Auto.

My refurb came with everything but the batteries (from ShopOnkyo.com). For those who order an extended warranty, please let me know if you actually get it. I ordered one, and it is listed as backordered. I have been unable to speak to an Onkyo employee about this, even after leaving messages with my phone number. Onkyo CS = bad (for me so far).

I know this is also a PS3 question, but I can't seem to get my PS3 to output anything other than 7.1 multichannel PCM most of the time. I have the PS3 set to "auto", and have selected HDMI as the output. When I play Blu-Rays it'll go into the correct mode, but for anything 2 channel it still outputs 7.1 for some reason. e.g. playing CDs, playing MP3s that are stored on the hard drive, playing games that use 2.0 DD. Shouldn't I be getting dolby digital 2.0 for all of this so I can use DPLII? I read in the 805 manual that I should be able to use most of the processing modes with 2 ch or */2 channel Multichannel PCM, but apparently only if the source is 32-96 kHz, if its 176.4/192 I basically can't use any of the internal processing. When I hit display, the receiver always seems to tell me its getting a 46 kHz signal, but I still can't seem to use any of the surround processing. What gives?

Also, is it just me or do you have to turn this receiver up REALLY high to get it loud? I replaced an 8 year old Integra DTR-7 receiver (DD capable, but that's it) with this thing. The Integra only claimed 100 (or maybe 110) "real" watts per channel and this thing puts out 130, but the integra was almost painfully loud at vol. 55 and this thing doesn't get loud until about 70-75 for most sources. I'm almost positive the relative scales (max volume) are the same, so what's the deal? Has Onkyo changed the scale to logarithmic to match the way sound doubles or something?

Mine also came with the all-important FM and AM Loop antennas. I checked mine over thoroughly and it "looks" like a brand new unit. Not a scratch or blemmish anywhere. All the labels advertising features are there too. Packed in original carton although the styrofoam had a minor crack. Must have been reused though as it was tapped back together prior to shipment.

Even though the top gets hot, unless you cook burgers or brats on it, you'll probably be safe from flames.

Those that think the design is "efficient" should do some basic research on electronic components. Heat generated by any component is a sign of wasted energy. While this can't be totally eliminated, the heat generated by these receivers tells anyone with 1/2 a brain that significant energy is wasted by the design.

These receivers may be as efficient as possible - given the cost point of the units - but that does not mean they are efficiently using the energy consumed.

So was the Ford Pinto.

Question about the extended warranty. Say I buy a 2yr extended warranty, when does the warranty start? After your original 1 year warranty ends or does it start right away? If it starts right away, then you're paying for 2 years but you only get 1 year worth right? I know most extended warranties work this way so I will wait until the last month of my warranty ends and buy the two year plan, giving me 3 years of protection.

Mine did too...perfectly new looking unit...power cable, all the antennas, remote (with 3 AA batteries), labels, manuals and mic.

Only thing I didn't get was a retail box...but I can deal with that.

Extended warranty from Onkyo starts after the 1 year, giving 3 years total.

Perfect, thank you!

I just got my 805 shipped in today. I'm currently making connections. I have my DVD and TV HDMI'ed to the 805. Right now my cable box is connected to my television via component cable. However, the cable box does have an HDMI port.
I'm coming to my question, I know it's probably a simple answer, but wanted to ask the experts. Should I route my cable through my 805 via HDMI?? I don't want to have to turn on the 805 everytime I watch cable. I just want to use the 805 when watching a movie or listening to the music channels and of coarse DVD's.

Now that I'm thinking about it, could I just leave the cable connected to TV with the component cable AND connect the cable box to the 805 via HDMI??

I think I just confused myself

You could route component from your cable box to your TV AND connect HDMI to your 805 from the cable box and then HDMI out from the 805 to your TV. What you want to do will work fine.

My question is -- why make things harder? Now I read this all the time that "I don't want to turn on the 805 (or whatever receiver I own) to watch regular cable".

I don't understand that. The 805 remote has a macro button. You press the button and BOTH your TV and the 805 (and the cable box if you want) ALL turn on at the same time. Its not hard.

Whether your TV speakers are internal or external (or the tuner/cable box is internal or external) should not be relevant. True -- TV news and the like doesn't "require" a receiver or speakers to sound good, but neither does it require a lousy internal TV speaker. If you have a sound system hooked up to your TV -- why not just use it all the time?

It will make it easier to not have to change inputs or turn on/off TV speakers.

There is no reason to say that certain TV shows should or should not be used with a receiver. Its -- my TV screen is for video and my receiver/speakers are for audio.

There is nothing better than hearing EVERYTHING, whether it is news, or the history channel, or a 5.1 DVD, over quality audio. You paid for the 805 -- you might as well use it for all TV.

It is no chore to press the one single macro button on the 805 remote and turn everything on, all at once.

I have a 5.1 system in my family room hooked up to a 50 inch plasma -- with an Onkyo 603x receiver. I have a 7.1 home theater in the basement with a 114 inch screen and the 805. Both systems always go on with both the receiver AND the display -- regardless of what is being watched. Both components (display and receiver) in both systems go on with just the push of one single button on the respective Onkyo remotes. Even my wife knows to press "macro 1" to do that.

Edit: if you go the component route from the cable box to your TV, you will then still have to connect audio cables between the cable box and the TV. In all, it is just much simpler and easier to route everything via HDMI to the 805 and then to your TV.

You then will never have to change the input on the TV and you wont' have to turn on or off the TV's internal speakers.

Look, I have no stake in this. I have never suggested people not buy it or that it isn't a good receiver. You specifically posted that you have not seen even one firsthand claim of overheating, sparks and smoke, etc., other than a person talking about another device. I simply replied that there are a variety of posts from multiple people who did claim this on this forum, which is contrary to your statement. I have no idea what the #'s are and I cannot personally verify the veracity of their statements and never said otherwise, though I don't presume to doubt their honesty either.

All that said, I would respectfully suggest that you are being presumptuous, dismissive and defensive to imply that all those people who have posted about it happening to them are lying (the implication of your "if it was true" statement).

To each their own... But we definitely prefer the option to use the TV speakers without the receiver. The main reason is that we have little kids and do a lot of our watching after they go to bed. The system is in a family room under their rooms. Even with the weak TV speakers, my wife requires it to be set very low so that it can minimally be heard. Even with low volume on the receiver, our experience is a receiver throwing sound to 6 speakers is going to create sound that travels more...

Not to mention, why waste all that energy when you don't need to? And why go to the trouble of using the receiver and the receiver remote, when the TiVo Remote is our favorite of all time and we'd rather just use it. We've tried $500 remotes with learning and all kinds of macros and still prefer the TiVo one over them all...

The bottom line is many people make a conscious decision to use their receiver when they want big sound and not to when they don't want it...