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post #8791 of 22607
Hello everyone,

I have read through countless number of pages of this thread and have seen my question asked, but not completely answered. I really need your help.

I have a PS3 hooked up to the 805 via HDMI and HDMI from the 805 to my TV. Everything is working like a champ from a video perspective, but I cannot get more than 2 channel digital audio. The front display of the 805 only shows that the left (FL) and right channels (FR) are active. I cannot get Dolby Digital. I have validated that HDMI Audio on the 805 is set to OFF. I also read a post to set the PS3 up for bitstream rather than PCM. Did that too and still only two channels and no Dolby Digital - and this is for both games and DVDs/Blu Rays.

When I click display on the PS3 is shows Dolby Digital 5.1 48kHz. And again, on the 805, only the two front channels and no Dolby Digital.

I am sure that there is an easy fix for this that I am completely overlooking.

Please help!

Thanks very much in advance!

Jeremy
post #8792 of 22607
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geaux Tigers View Post

I have used the search function but I can not find the answer to my question. Does the 805 upconvert analog inputs that are output over component? If it does then what is the maximum resolution that it can upconvert these signals to?

I should have asked my question better. I have an older 1080i 55 inch Mitsubishi Diamond CRT HDTV that only has component inputs. The TV will not accept 720p signals. Will the 805 upconvert signals over the component output. (Example 480p component input or 480i s-video input = _____ component output). I know that the 805 will not convert HDMI digital signals to an analog output. I know the 805 upconverts analog signals to 720p over HDMI. I want to know if the 805 upconverts analog to analog. If the 805 does upconvert over analog then what are the available resolutions. The TV still has a good picture and do not intend to replace it at this time. Thanks.
post #8793 of 22607
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremyf0923 View Post

Hello everyone,

I have read through countless number of pages of this thread and have seen my question asked, but not completely answered. I really need your help.

I have a PS3 hooked up to the 805 via HDMI and HDMI from the 805 to my TV. Everything is working like a champ from a video perspective, but I cannot get more than 2 channel digital audio. The front display of the 805 only shows that the left (FL) and right channels (FR) are active. I cannot get Dolby Digital. I have validated that HDMI Audio on the 805 is set to OFF. I also read a post to set the PS3 up for bitstream rather than PCM. Did that too and still only two channels and no Dolby Digital - and this is for both games and DVDs/Blu Rays.

When I click display on the PS3 is shows Dolby Digital 5.1 48kHz. And again, on the 805, only the two front channels and no Dolby Digital.

I am sure that there is an easy fix for this that I am completely overlooking.

Please help!

Thanks very much in advance!

Jeremy

Do you have your HDMI sound settings on your PS3 set to manual or automatic? If they're set to manual, try setting them to automatic.
post #8794 of 22607
kplex,
Have you ever go a chance to listen to a Pioneer elite receiver.
post #8795 of 22607
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geaux Tigers View Post

I should have asked my question better. I have an older 1080i 55 inch Mitsubishi Diamond CRT HDTV that only has component inputs. The TV will not accept 720p signals. Will the 805 upconvert signals over the component output. (Example 480p component input or 480i s-video input = _____ component output). I know that the 805 will not convert HDMI digital signals to an analog output. I know the 805 upconverts analog signals to 720p over HDMI. I want to know if the 805 upconverts analog to analog. If the 805 does upconvert over analog then what are the available resolutions. The TV still has a good picture and do not intend to replace it at this time. Thanks.

component in is passed straight through to component out, without any scaling. The upscaling only takes effect when going composite/svideo/component in, to HDMI out
post #8796 of 22607
Anybody had a problem while playing a DVD...it will start scanning the screen...top to bottom, left to right and then split the screen...to there is a black line in the middle and the picture is split to the left and right of it?

I have an Integra DVD changer hooked component in, monitor out is HDMI....resetting the receiver clears it...

Thought it was a DVD the other night as I had the problem....sent it back to Netflix saying it was bad....watched another after it with no issues.....watched another today and it seems clean, no scratches...

Any ideas...?
post #8797 of 22607
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Originally Posted by scarecrow420 View Post

component in is passed straight through to component out, without any scaling. The upscaling only takes effect when going composite/svideo/component in, to HDMI out

Thanks. Would there be upscaling from s-video or composite to component?
post #8798 of 22607
In the last few months I have upgraded my system with all new speakers (JBL Studio L) an Onkyo 805, and am currently waiting for my Epik Castle sub (woo-hoo-- Canadian dollar at par or above). Because of all the above upgrades I have had to re-think some adjustments on associated hardware that is part of my system--as in my Clark transducers in my couch. I have them set up so that the left and right couch seats get their signals from the left and right main speakers respectively. The center seat gets the LFE signal. Unfortunately my center seat Clark recently passed away but I figure the new Epik Castle will more than make up for it. However, for the L and R Clarks to be effective they need a full-range signal from the mains. Although my JBL L890's are considered full-range (down to 28hz) test results show they are most efficient above 40 or 50 hz (like many,many "full-range" speakers). There-in lies the problem I had to solve. How could I cross-over my mains at 40 or 50 and yet still supply my Clarks with a full-range signal to play with? What I have done necessitates having a DVD player that also has multi-channel analog outputs (for SACD OR DVD AUDIO) My main DVD player is the OPPO 981HD which has those outputs but numerous other players have this capability as well. For Zone 2 or 3 on the Onkyo 805 to operate there needs to be an ANALOG signal. I ran analog RCA cables from the multi-channel left/right outputs from the OPPO to the analog "in" left/right inputs on the DVD inputs on the 805. Ensure that your DVD player set-up is such that all player speaker settings are set to LARGE. My Clark transducers each have their own amplifier but only need one cable attached for operation--left OR right. I connected these RCA cables to left/right on zone 3. As per the 805 manual you set-up zone 3 to get it's signal from the DVD player. PRESTO! I now have my mains cross-overed for optimal SOUND and my Clarks are getting a full-range signal for optimal EFFECT. Audio synchronization seems to be fine. There are two downsides. One is that my Clarks will only work when I'm using the OPPO. Not a big deal for me really as that's really the only source I care about the Clarks being operational. The other downside is matching level-control of the Clarks with various sound volumes through the speakers. I'll probably set a "happy medium". I know this is kind of a user-specific type post but I thought someone else may be interested in this "work-around".
post #8799 of 22607
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbrown2 View Post

Anybody had a problem while playing a DVD...it will start scanning the screen...top to bottom, left to right and then split the screen...to there is a black line in the middle and the picture is split to the left and right of it?

I have an Integra DVD changer hooked component in, monitor out is HDMI....resetting the receiver clears it...

Thought it was a DVD the other night as I had the problem....sent it back to Netflix saying it was bad....watched another after it with no issues.....watched another today and it seems clean, no scratches...

Any ideas...?

Are you using the "secret menu" to force upscaling to go to 720P? This is a similar issue to what a guy in the 705 thread was seeing with his original xbox input over component and upscaling to HDMI, the picture would shake etc, then "split" with the wrong half of the picture on each side of the screen. Cant remember but i think he had 720P forced on. If you can change the output res of your DVD player you might try 480i, 480P etc and see if you can find a setting where the onkyo doesnt mess up the signal. Also if you are forcing 720P does it work OK without?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Geaux Tigers View Post

Thanks. Would there be upscaling from s-video or composite to component?

Good question... i know it upcoinverts those lower inputs to component out (if you have HDMI Monitor Out OFF, otherwise it would be uspcaled to HDMI instead) but as for what res these come out via component, Im not sure although i suspect it would just be the original res...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krazyboy View Post

In the last few months I have upgraded my system with all new speakers (JBL Studio L) an Onkyo 805, and am currently waiting for my Epik Castle sub (woo-hoo-- Canadian dollar at par or above). Because of all the above upgrades I have had to re-think some adjustments on associated hardware that is part of my system--as in my Clark transducers in my couch. I have them set up so that the left and right couch seats get their signals from the left and right main speakers respectively. The center seat gets the LFE signal. Unfortunately my center seat Clark recently passed away but I figure the new Epik Castle will more than make up for it. However, for the L and R Clarks to be effective they need a full-range signal from the mains. Although my JBL L890's are considered full-range (down to 28hz) test results show they are most efficient above 40 or 50 hz (like many,many "full-range" speakers). There-in lies the problem I had to solve. How could I cross-over my mains at 40 or 50 and yet still supply my Clarks with a full-range signal to play with? What I have done necessitates having a DVD player that also has multi-channel analog outputs (for SACD OR DVD AUDIO) My main DVD player is the OPPO 981HD which has those outputs but numerous other players have this capability as well. For Zone 2 or 3 on the Onkyo 805 to operate there needs to be an ANALOG signal. I ran analog RCA cables from the multi-channel left/right outputs from the OPPO to the analog "in" left/right inputs on the DVD inputs on the 805. Ensure that your DVD player set-up is such that all player speaker settings are set to LARGE. My Clark transducers each have their own amplifier but only need one cable attached for operation--left OR right. I connected these RCA cables to left/right on zone 3. As per the 805 manual you set-up zone 3 to get it's signal from the DVD player. PRESTO! I now have my mains cross-overed for optimal SOUND and my Clarks are getting a full-range signal for optimal EFFECT. Audio synchronization seems to be fine. There are two downsides. One is that my Clarks will only work when I'm using the OPPO. Not a big deal for me really as that's really the only source I care about the Clarks being operational. The other downside is matching level-control of the Clarks with various sound volumes through the speakers. I'll probably set a "happy medium". I know this is kind of a user-specific type post but I thought someone else may be interested in this "work-around".

So if these seats have their own amplifiers do they take line level or speaker level inputs? I assume you are saying they take speaker level, since otherwise you would just be using the left+right amplifier pre-outs and then they would work on all sources rather than just DVD player? So i guess short of a small 2 channel amplifier, you are stuck with the zone3 "workaround"
post #8800 of 22607
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsil View Post

kplex,
Have you ever go a chance to listen to a Pioneer elite receiver.

No, I haven't. I think they're the best looking receivers, but I've never been hands on with one. Why?
post #8801 of 22607
I am running my PS3 to the 805 and have a 5.1 setup. Everything is sent as PCM to the receiver, do you guys use the THX Cinema mode at all in this situation or do you just leave on normal?
post #8802 of 22607
[QUOTE/
So if these seats have their own amplifiers do they take line level or speaker level inputs? I assume you are saying they take speaker level, since otherwise you would just be using the left+right amplifier pre-outs and then they would work on all sources rather than just DVD player? So i guess short of a small 2 channel amplifier, you are stuck with the zone3 "workaround"[/quote]
The Clark amps use line-level inputs. The problem with using the amp pre-outs is that they are also controlled by the 805's bass management settings. In other words, whatever cross-over settings you have dialed in for your set-up it affects the pre-outs as well. With my old speaker set-up I was running Altec Lansing Model 15's as mains and they were a lot stronger/punchier than the L890's when set to full-range. I used the amp pre-outs for my Clark inputs with that set-up. Don't get me wrong--I love my new JBL Studio series speakers--I now enjoy a much better overall sound QUALITY due to having matched speakers and better mid-range response compared to the big Altec's 12" drivers and radial horns. I knew from reading this forum for so long that optimally you should give your mains a cross-over and let the sub handle the low end. Especially since I have a powerhouse sub coming to my door very soon.
post #8803 of 22607
anyone else find the 805 to be very bright? i watched shrek the 3rd last night and cranked it loud on my polk rti 7.1 setup and i had to put the treble to -10 to make it tolerable. even at that level, it sounded brighter than an LED pointed right into your eyeball... or maybe shrek is just recorded bright? it did sound clear as could be, though.
post #8804 of 22607
Quote:
Originally Posted by grubavs View Post

Go directly to the manual... and/or the first post in this thread:
705 Thread FAQ.

It would be nice if the 805 thread had a 1st post like the 705 thread does.
post #8805 of 22607
kplex,
I was just wondering about the SQ between the two.
post #8806 of 22607
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bizill View Post

anyone else find the 805 to be very bright? i watched shrek the 3rd last night and cranked it loud on my polk rti 7.1 setup and i had to put the treble to -10 to make it tolerable. even at that level, it sounded brighter than an LED pointed right into your eyeball... or maybe shrek is just recorded bright? it did sound clear as could be, though.

I find it very strange when I come across coments saying 805 is being bright. My previous receiver Denon AVR-3300 was bright in comparison to this Onkyo. This onkyo brought movie theater like experience with shattering bass that is well controlled and defined (beafy psu really pays off). I have a dedicated 2 channel setup in acoustically treated room for music playback. In the past I won't even consider listen to the music in the theater setup. My plan was to get 805 and use it as a preamp/processor. At this point I feel like letting it drive my speakers without any help. It's an incredible value (similar to what PS3 is offering right now) in my opinion.
Bizill do you use Audyssey?
post #8807 of 22607
I'm assuming if I have the XBOX 360 connected to the 805 with component that I need to then run a component connection from the 805's monitor out into my tv. Right? Also, if I have the optical cable from the 360 going into slot #1, do I have to run another audio cable to my tv?
post #8808 of 22607
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremyf0923 View Post

Hello everyone,

I have read through countless number of pages of this thread and have seen my question asked, but not completely answered. I really need your help.

I have a PS3 hooked up to the 805 via HDMI and HDMI from the 805 to my TV. Everything is working like a champ from a video perspective, but I cannot get more than 2 channel digital audio. The front display of the 805 only shows that the left (FL) and right channels (FR) are active. I cannot get Dolby Digital. I have validated that HDMI Audio on the 805 is set to OFF. I also read a post to set the PS3 up for bitstream rather than PCM. Did that too and still only two channels and no Dolby Digital - and this is for both games and DVDs/Blu Rays.

When I click display on the PS3 is shows Dolby Digital 5.1 48kHz. And again, on the 805, only the two front channels and no Dolby Digital.

I am sure that there is an easy fix for this that I am completely overlooking.

Please help!

Thanks very much in advance!

Jeremy

Bumping this - I know there are a large number of PS3/805 owners out there - please help me out...
post #8809 of 22607
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geaux Tigers View Post

Thanks. Would there be upscaling from s-video or composite to component?

Quote:
Originally Posted by scarecrow420 View Post

--snip--
Good question... i know it upcoinverts those lower inputs to component out (if you have HDMI Monitor Out OFF, otherwise it would be uspcaled to HDMI instead) but as for what res these come out via component, Im not sure although i suspect it would just be the original res...
--snip--

The manual definitely implies that there is upscaling of analog inputs to component output for the 875, since on page 46, Step 4 it first says to select either HDMI Monitor YES or NO, then on page 47, Step 5 it tells you how to select the output Resolution and mentions specific settings not available if the HDMI Monitor setting is NO (480p & 1080p), although that could just be for component IN -> component OUT. Most of the 875 basics are the same in the 805. Perhaps a call to Onkyo is in order??
post #8810 of 22607
Quote:
Originally Posted by tpaxadpom View Post

Bizill do you use Audyssey?

admittedly, not yet. that will be the order of the day. it may also just be shrek the 3rd that is recorded super-'forward' and 'bright'. this was the first movie i've actually cranked the volume up for. and my ears felt like they were bleeding. turning down the treble all the way helped out a whole lot. and i wonder how much treble the audyssey will cut out, seeing as how manually there is a limit of -10db. but i'm gonna try another movie BEFORE i run the audyssey, just to eliminate the movie itself being the issue. again, it sounded clear, but at times, EXTREMELY harsh and brittle.
post #8811 of 22607
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Originally Posted by jeremyf0923 View Post

Bumping this - I know there are a large number of PS3/805 owners out there - please help me out...

Do you have a DVD player or a cable box or anything else connected to your 805 that's successfully sending DD 5.1?

I just got a PS3 and I don't remember having to do much of anything to get it to send multichannel. In my case, everthing seems to come over as Multichannel 7.1 PCM 48khz. I went into the audio setup on the PS3, selected HDMI, then answered yes when it asked if I wanted it configured automatically. When I switched it to manual, pretty much every sound option was checked.

The only setting on the 805 that can affect this is HDMI Audio Out, and you say you've already made sure it's off, so I would concentrate on your PS3 settings.
post #8812 of 22607
jeremyf0923,
On the PS3 set the audio out to LPCM.
post #8813 of 22607
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsil View Post

jeremyf0923,
On the PS3 set the audio out to LPCM.


Any recommendations for the AV sync delay?
post #8814 of 22607
Quote:
Originally Posted by kplex View Post

Do you have a DVD player or a cable box or anything else connected to your 805 that's successfully sending DD 5.1?

I just got a PS3 and I don't remember having to do much of anything to get it to send multichannel. In my case, everthing seems to come over as Multichannel 7.1 PCM 48khz. I went into the audio setup on the PS3, selected HDMI, then answered yes when it asked if I wanted it configured automatically. When I switched it to manual, pretty much every sound option was checked.

The only setting on the 805 that can affect this is HDMI Audio Out, and you say you've already made sure it's off, so I would concentrate on your PS3 settings.

Yes, I have a Comcast HD/DVR cable box that is sending DD 5.1 with no problem. However, it is connected via coaxial digital audio cable, not HDMI. Also, I have tried both the bit stream and the linear PCM option on the PS3 and still no multichannel. The PS3 displays that it is decoding DD 5.1, but the 805 shows on the display left and right channel only. Guess I will go through all of my settings again on the PS3...this is becoming very frustrating!

I welcome any other suggestions - thanks!
post #8815 of 22607
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremyf0923 View Post

Yes, I have a Comcast HD/DVR cable box that is sending DD 5.1 with no problem. However, it is connected via coaxial digital audio cable, not HDMI. Also, I have tried both the bit stream and the linear PCM option on the PS3 and still no multichannel. The PS3 displays that it is decoding DD 5.1, but the 805 shows on the display left and right channel only. Guess I will go through all of my settings again on the PS3...this is becoming very frustrating!

I welcome any other suggestions - thanks!

Now I have another question - just was reading the 705 thread (FAQ at the beginning) and saw in there that the PS3 does all of the decoding itself - that the 805 doesn't do anything. So is that why I am displaying only right and left channel on the 805? It sounds really good, just don't know if it should sound even better.

For those of you who seem to be having no problems, when you play a regular DVD or Blu Ray, what specifically does your 805 display? Does it display all 5 or 7 channels? Does the "Dolby Digital" display on the 805?
post #8816 of 22607
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremyf0923 View Post

Now I have another question - just was reading the 705 thread (FAQ at the beginning) and saw in there that the PS3 does all of the decoding itself - that the 805 doesn't do anything. So is that why I am displaying only right and left channel on the 805? It sounds really good, just don't know if it should sound even better.

For those of you who seem to be having no problems, when you play a regular DVD or Blu Ray, what specifically does your 805 display? Does it display all 5 or 7 channels? Does the "Dolby Digital" display on the 805?

When playing a Blu-ray movie, I get: PS3 Multich

I renamed the Aux1 input. When I press the display button it says:

MCH PCM 5.1
fs : 48kHz

Six channel icons are lit on the front panel: FL, C, FR, SL, LFE, and SR

I get the same thing whether I select a DD 5.1 track or an uncompressed PCM track.
post #8817 of 22607
Quote:
Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

You will only see Dolby Digital Plus, TrueHD, and DTS-HD MA mode on your receiver when using a HDMI connection with the following players:

Blu-ray players
  1. Panasonic DMP-BD30 (most widely recommended)
  2. Pioneer Elite BDP-95FD
  3. Samsung BD-P1400

You will not see Dolby Digital Plus, TrueHD, or DTS-HD MA on your receiver with any other players.

As this is an old post, but I just bought the BD30 last night - I can honestly say that he is RIGHT!!!!! I at last get the 805 to do the decoding, and the difference in sound quality is AMAZING! Every one of my movies I tested all last night, sounded like it was the first time ever watching them. I will never go back to LPCM again. Anyone who tells you that PCM gives you the same sounds is wrong. Heck, if I wrote the manual for the 805, I would have said "BD30 REQUIRED"
post #8818 of 22607
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Originally Posted by scarecrow420 View Post

Are you using the "secret menu" to force upscaling to go to 720P? This is a similar issue to what a guy in the 705 thread was seeing with his original xbox input over component and upscaling to HDMI, the picture would shake etc, then "split" with the wrong half of the picture on each side of the screen. Cant remember but i think he had 720P forced on. If you can change the output res of your DVD player you might try 480i, 480P etc and see if you can find a setting where the onkyo doesnt mess up the signal. Also if you are forcing 720P does it work OK without?

Thanks what / where is the Secret menu? I did not mess with it...

Not sure if I have that capability on the DVD...it is the older non upconverting type player...so I assume it not upconverting...

Thanks again for the ideas...
post #8819 of 22607
Quote:
Originally Posted by kplex View Post

When playing a Blu-ray movie, I get: PS3 Multich

I renamed the Aux1 input. When I press the display button it says:

MCH PCM 5.1
fs : 48kHz

Six channel icons are lit on the front panel: FL, C, FR, SL, LFE, and SR

I get the same thing whether I select a DD 5.1 track or an uncompressed PCM track.

Hi kplex,

Thanks so much for the reply. I went back through my audio set up on the PS3 and finally have everything working!! I too get "MULTI CHANNEL" for Blu Ray with LPCM set as the audio option. I read on the 705 thread that for regular DVDs it may help sound quality to change that to bitstream. So I popped in Pearl Harbor and changed it to bitstream. When I did this it displayed all of my channels and I got the Dolby Digital icon to display. Man, the attack on Pearl Harbor scene (chapter 21?) was absolutely amazing. The 10 minutes I spent watching that was worth every penny I spent on the 805. I am a very proud 805 owner!!
post #8820 of 22607
Here's a question about whose answer I get confused: when does one really need to access the 805's secret menu?
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