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post #1231 of 20365
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Originally Posted by Hughmc View Post

Mosquito noise due to compression and grain look almost identical and there in lies the problem with the grain being ok or it is artistic argument. While grain maybe consistent throughout the movie, thankfully mosquito noise is not. There are some very clean looking BD's like Apocalypto and Casino Royale, but there is some intentional grain and even a bit of mosquito noise on both and it is hard to tell which is which.

Are you sure there is mosquito noise in 300?

If it is so hard to tell the difference between the mosquito noise due to compression and natural grain, how could you know?

I'm playing devils advocate here, because I do agree with your comments overall.
post #1232 of 20365
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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin View Post

Are you sure there is mosquito noise in 300?

If it is so hard to tell the difference between the mosquito noise due to compression and natural grain, how could you know?

I'm playing devils advocate here, because I do agree with your comments overall.

No, and that is my point. I am not sure, but I am sure on the other two films I mentioned. If a film is grainy and if grain looks like mosquito noise or vice versa, then for those who like grain, a movie with mosquito noise artifacting due to compression throughout should look as good as any grain intended movie. What?? What? WTF did he just say? I don't know which is more confusing. The grain debate, or the LPCM vs. Bitstream HD audio debate.
post #1233 of 20365
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Originally Posted by Hughmc View Post

No, and that is my point. I am not sure, but I am sure on the other two films I mentioned. If a film is grainy and if grain looks like mosquito noise or vice versa, then for those who like grain, a movie with mosquito noise artifacting due to compression thorughout should look as good as any grain intended movie. What?? What? WTF did he just say? I don't know which is more confusing. The grain debate, or the LPCM vs. Bitstream HD audio debate.

There is a debate regarding LPCM vs Bitstream?!

post #1234 of 20365
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Originally Posted by cdhender View Post

I'd put 'Rat' and 'Cars' 1 and 2 respectively as far as best BD I have ever seen. I watched both movies with my jaw on the floor. Simply amazing.

+ 1 These are the two most spectacular blu ray's out right now. The combination of a great story, amazing visuals, reference sound, and the best interactive features and commentaries make these the cream of the crop. I would put them one and two at the top of tier 0. These are the two best examples of HDM out right now.
post #1235 of 20365
I just watched Cars tonight and I completely agree that it's somewhere towards the top of tier 0. The PQ looked downright amazing/perfect to me. I haven't seen a transfer/movie this perfect yet (although CGI sure helps :P). I haven't watched ratatouille yet but probably will sometime this weekend, but the preview on the Cars disc looked very good.
post #1236 of 20365
I watched Underworld last night and I was a little suprised at the amount of backround artifacts in some of the darker scenes.
post #1237 of 20365
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Originally Posted by cdhender View Post

I'd put 'Rat' and 'Cars' 1 and 2 respectively as far as best BD I have ever seen. I watched both movies with my jaw on the floor. Simply amazing.

I have watched both in the last few days and agree, especially with Ratatouille at #1.
post #1238 of 20365
Watched Close Encounters of the Third Kind tonight. Wasn't too impressed with the transfer. It doesn't seem any better than The Shining to me. Pretty good movie though...my first time seeing it.

For those that are waiting for the reviews to make a decision because they already own the DVD, it still seems like it would be worth buying. It has all 3 versions of the film available for viewing and three lossless audio tracks as well as numerous subtitle options.

Brandon
post #1239 of 20365
I noticed 2001 was up on the top tier and thought it was a mistake, so I decided to rent it tonight and

how in the hell have I never seen this masterpiece before??instant buy for me now. Amazing film and the PQ is simply out of this world. I have seen alot of older movies in HD and this blows them all away, considering the movie is 40 years old its amazing how perfect the PQ is. It doesn't have the pop that Pirates or Spidey has but the PQ is just picture perfect, never seen anything like it, this is now right up there with Rat for me as the best PQ on BR/HD.
post #1240 of 20365
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

Watched Close Encounters of the Third Kind tonight. Wasn't too impressed with the transfer. It doesn't seem any better than The Shining to me. Pretty good movie though...my first time seeing it.

For those that are waiting for the reviews to make a decision because they already own the DVD, it still seems like it would be worth buying. It has all 3 versions of the film available for viewing and three lossless audio tracks as well as numerous subtitle options.

Brandon

If it's as good as the Shining I'd be thrilled with it; I thought the Shining looked spectacular.
post #1241 of 20365
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

Watched Close Encounters of the Third Kind tonight. Wasn't too impressed with the transfer. It doesn't seem any better than The Shining to me. Pretty good movie though...my first time seeing it.

For those that are waiting for the reviews to make a decision because they already own the DVD, it still seems like it would be worth buying. It has all 3 versions of the film available for viewing and three lossless audio tracks as well as numerous subtitle options.

Brandon

How was the audio?
post #1242 of 20365
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Originally Posted by Ian_Currie View Post

If it's as good as the Shining I'd be thrilled with it; I thought the Shining looked spectacular.

agreed. i was FLOORED when i watched the Shining the other night. i'd actually be surprised if Close Encounters rivals the Shining for PQ....
post #1243 of 20365
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Originally Posted by mr stroke View Post

I noticed 2001 was up on the top tier and thought it was a mistake, so I decided to rent it tonight and

how in the hell have I never seen this masterpiece before??instant buy for me now. Amazing film and the PQ is simply out of this world. I have seen alot of older movies in HD and this blows them all away, considering the movie is 40 years old its amazing how perfect the PQ is. It doesn't have the pop that Pirates or Spidey has but the PQ is just picture perfect, never seen anything like it, this is now right up there with Rat for me as the best PQ on BR/HD.

Yeah, seeing 2001 on blu was definitely a great experience. Seeing it has inspired me to go on a Kubrick HD kick. I have The Shining, Eyes Wide Shut and Clockwork Orange shipping from Blockbuster Online.
post #1244 of 20365
Waiting... (Unrated and Raw) is possibly one of the worst blu-rays ive seen. no that i have some blu-ray viewing experience under my belt. this one looks as bad as HOFD!

definitely tier 5.

the director's commentary was cool though. =D

PS3 performing pulldown
Philips 1080p 42" LCD
8ft viewing distance.
post #1245 of 20365
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Originally Posted by haste View Post

Waiting... (Unrated and Raw) is possibly one of the worst blu-rays ive seen. no that i have some blu-ray viewing experience under my belt. this one looks as bad as HOFD!

definitely tier 5.

the director's commentary was cool though. =D

PS3 performing pulldown
Philips 1080p 42" LCD
8ft viewing distance.

Yes, it was indeed very bad. The plastic face effect.
post #1246 of 20365
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Originally Posted by Ian_Currie View Post

If it's as good as the Shining I'd be thrilled with it; I thought the Shining looked spectacular.

I think the Shining was better, and I voted for Tier 2 for the Shining. I thought it was good for an older release, but not in the same quality as the Tier 1 releases.

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Originally Posted by Kevin12586 View Post

How was the audio?

The audio was pretty good, but I cannot as of yet take advantage of the losless tracks yet. I used the 1.5Mbps legacy DTS core track. Honestly I don't think it's anywhere close to the Ratatouille DD track which nearly blew me away at times.

I realize I'm not exactly giving Close Encounters of the Third Kind a glowing review, but part of the problem may be that the last 4 movies I've seen are Cars, Ratatouille, Close Encounters of the Third Kind and 2001: A Space Odyssey. It's hard for CE3K to shine amongst that group of titles. I haven't finished watching 2001 yet, but it has truly been an experience so far. The audio and video is top notch and a pleasure to enjoy.

Brandon
post #1247 of 20365
Watched Cars today.

Wow! Clearly one of the best thus far, right up there with Chicken Little. Simply fantastic and clearly Tier 0 material! The detail in the BD version is amazing, and it really lets you see the tremendous amount of detail that the creators put into every scene. Amazing.

Oh, the lossless sound really kicks butt too!
post #1248 of 20365
Thanks Brandon
post #1249 of 20365
How's the video quality for the Ocean's trilogy?
post #1250 of 20365
Ocean's Trilogy

11 - 3.25/5
12 - 3.75/5
13 - 3/5

SQ - 3/5 on all

Startship Troopers should be in top of Tier 2 coz of slight EE in few scenes and outdated CGI gunshots looking bad on HD.
post #1251 of 20365
Watched the Polar Express last night and it was very good..definitely Tier 1 material. A good movie for the upcoming Christmas season. The sound was great of course..the action packed train scenes sounded tremendous. I did not see an option for adjusting the sound formats so I am pretty sure it is DD only.
post #1252 of 20365
I have seen the best presentation yet on either HD format, and it is Ratatouille.

This is astonishingly good. Amazing. Beautiful. Reference.

Ratatouille has now set the bar for how incredible animation can look. I know this isn't a thread for sound quality, but the SQ is pure reference as well with the lossless track.

And for what it's worth: this is the best Pixar movie since the Toy Story movies imo.

post #1253 of 20365
Ratatouille is about realistic animation. More than the Picture I liked the Sound. The LFE were amazing but not close to my reference LFE titles (Patriot, Air Force One).
post #1254 of 20365
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Originally Posted by lgans316 View Post

Ratatouille is about realistic animation. More than the Picture I liked the Sound. The LFE were amazing but not close to my reference LFE titles (Patriot, Air Force One).

Ratatouille had the most realistic shotgun blast I have ever heard!
post #1255 of 20365
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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin View Post

I have seen the best presentation yet on either HD format, and it is Ratatouille.

This is astonishingly good. Amazing. Beautiful. Reference.

Ratatouille has now set the bar for how incredible animation can look. I know this isn't a thread for sound quality, but the SQ is pure reference as well with the lossless track.

And for what it's worth: this is the best Pixar movie since the Toy Story movies imo.


OK. You talked me into it
post #1256 of 20365
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Originally Posted by John Ballentine View Post

OK. You talked me into it

I really don't think you will regret it John!
post #1257 of 20365
What a great visual feast. The colors were bright bright bright and the depth and pop was some of the best HD I've seen. I'm not sure where you'd put this film but no lower than Apacalypto. Nice job New Line!!! video 5/5

Sound: DTS MA 7.1... listend to the core 1.5 .. it was good. 4/5

119 screen Sony Ruby 1080p60 ps3 ... 17 feet away
post #1258 of 20365
I rented this tonight and it looks fantastic! The colour in this movie is very intense, especially the greens. It was a really good movie too........definitly recommend it.
post #1259 of 20365
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Originally Posted by maverick0716 View Post

I rented this tonight and it looks fantastic! The colour in this movie is very intense, especially the greens. It was a really good movie too........definitly recommend it.

I rented Rescue Dawn via Netflix but didn't realize that they only have the regular DVD version.

I sent it back without watching it....waiting until they have it on Blu.
post #1260 of 20365
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Originally Posted by haste View Post

Waiting... (Unrated and Raw) is possibly one of the worst blu-rays ive seen. no that i have some blu-ray viewing experience under my belt. this one looks as bad as HOFD!

definitely tier 5.

the director's commentary was cool though. =D

PS3 performing pulldown
Philips 1080p 42" LCD
8ft viewing distance.

x2
I picked it up yesterday and wish I could return it for the SD-DVD or a difference BD... totally sucks.

Guess I need to grab the Rat to see what this is all about. I'm surprised that Spiderman 3 got bumped, I thought it looked just as good if not better than POTC 2 but maybe I need to be more critical.

I'm in the process of trying to decide which titles are worth grabbing a second copy of since I already have them in SD-DVD. The Die Hard set was worth it, I did some side by side last night on the first one and am pretty happy with the BD copy.
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