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post #18481 of 20357
Shogun Assassin

recommendation: Tier 4.5*


“Your technique is magnificent. When cut across the neck, a sound like wailing winter winds is heard, they say. I'd always hoped to cut someone like that someday, to hear that sound.”

Shogun Assassin is the 1980 Samurai film that became wildly influential in various forms, from Tarantino's Kill Bill to the music of the Wu-Tang Clan. Animeigo has gone back and transferred the movie to high-definition from the best possible, extant film elements. This is not a case of a small distributor taking a DVD master and calling it a day, as every effort has been made to create the best Blu-ray possible. The 84-minute movie is encoded in AVC on a BD-25. Average video bitrate for the main feature is a satisfactory 24.99 Mbps. It was first released on Blu-ray in August of 2010.

The strongest aspect of the disc is the excellent facial detail in the numerous close-ups of the actors. One can make out the hair pieces and prosthetics used for makeup, while singular details such as pores and wrinkles are plainly visible in almost every shot. The transfer is completely free of digital filtering, leaving copious amounts of grain in the film.

Print damage is minimal, but several scenes give indicators the original negatives were likely not available for all scenes. A number of things, such as white specks and gate scratches on the print, indicate a film print or interpositive as the likely source for the transfer.

Only the slightest amount of ringing shows any untoward problems added to the transfer. The vast majority of problems with the image appear as a result of principal photography and the original budgetary limitations of the production. Given the strong levels of grain present in many scenes, the video encode rarely even hints of showing compression artifacts.

A number of scenes, particularly the ones that take place at night, crush shadow detail and are severely underexposed. That dragged my final score down quite a bit, because a good number of scenes in the film look much better than Tier Four in quality. But there are moments when almost nothing is visible and one would be hard-pressed to not nominate the disc for Tier Five.

Do not let a placement as low as Tier 4.5 fool you, I am personally recommending this transfer as a strong improvement over any prior version of Shogun Assassin. For years it was only available as a bootleg and looked wretched. This new transfer is an amazement in comparison and truly shows potential at times. Certain moments might be considered good enough for Tier Two, but the overall assessment has to be lowered with the general condition and inconsistency of the image.

BDInfo scan (courtesy of eric.exe):
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post19111456
post #18482 of 20357
Soul Surfer

Terrific encode and great color. Detail is slick and contrast is definitely appropriate for Hawaii. Some close-ups are certainly soft, the quick recoveries enough to forgive the mild faults. Grain will occasionally be too much for the encode, a definite annoyance.

Tier 1.5*
post #18483 of 20357
Super

Pale and constantly over exposed super hero (kind of?) movie. Close-ups are extraordinary, providing some insane facial detail. Definition can wander. Noise can and will creep into the frame but with limited detrimental effect. Surprising black levels from the Red One, usually a sour spot for the digital cam.

Tier 2.75*
post #18484 of 20357
Your Highness

Fantastic detail, facial definition and the various forests nothing less than striking. A bit of smoothing on Portman's head isn't enough to ruin the fun, neither will hints of aliasing. Great grain structure and intense saturation are pleasing too, flesh tones just missing dangerous orange levels. Black levels become the concern in the first act, weirdly blue and wonky. They recover later.

Tier 1.75*
post #18485 of 20357
Paul

Great looking transfer of a great looking film, boldly colorful and richly textured. Black levels prove superb, and the mild grain is totally unobtrusive. Contrast is bright (if maybe a little clipped), and the whole thing is given this intense dimensionality.


Tier 1.5*
post #18486 of 20357
I just thought I'd chime in to thank those who continually post reviews. I'm taking notes and plan to rent many titles once my home theater room is completed (tentatively in 1-2 weeks).

I have been viewing movies via Dish satellite but due to the small screen (40") and viewing distance (10') I've decided to wait until my KURO is set up for reviewing Blu-rays. The old adage "patience is a virtue" has been somewhat of a consolation to me, but methinks this virtue is on the decline!
post #18487 of 20357
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

I have been viewing movies via Dish satellite but due to the small screen (40") and viewing distance (10') I've decided to wait until my KURO is set up for reviewing Blu-rays. The old adage "patience is a virtue" has been somewhat of a consolation to me, but methinks this virtue is on the decline!

Hopefully the KURO made the journey unscathed. Fear not, there will be an update coming soon to the PQ Tiers. This will likely be the last update before the Holiday shopping season begins.
post #18488 of 20357
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

Hopefully the KURO made the journey unscathed. Fear not, there will be an update coming soon to the PQ Tiers. This will likely be the last update before the Holiday shopping season begins.

My KURO and all my components/speakers are still in storage at my brother's home (30 miles away). I did NOT want my equipment in our new home while we were moving and with the construction taking place.

Again, I will be taking advantage of all the recent reviews and the upcoming update in due time.
post #18489 of 20357
Sunshine cleaning TIER 0
this blu ray disc quality is so amazing, looks real sharp with accurate colors and brightness and gives me many reasons to really love my TV. feels a little like ive never even experienced blu ray till now!
post #18490 of 20357
The Lincoln Lawyer

This one's been pretty well covered already. Shot digitally, with the earth-tone heavy, somewhat desaturated look that seems characteristic of the Red camera (or its users, at least); a pretty slick looking film with a nice sense of contrast and solid detail in many places. However, the overall visual style and subject matter of the film just didn't scream home-run demo material to me.

Tier 1.75
post #18491 of 20357
Mars Needs Moms

Not quite a lock, as the dark,mostly colorless interiors don't carry a burst of color until later. Black levels prove outstanding, and the detail where applicable can be remarkable. A little aliasing is visible here and there, but minor. Sharpness is pristine. Great disc, but not top of the Tiers stuff.

Tier 0.75*
post #18492 of 20357
Source Code (UK / Optimum Releasing)

A bit dark for my taste but after adjusting the PQ settings in my player thought it looked very nice, sharp, saturated and detailed. I disagree that the aerial shots didn't look detailed.

Recommendation: Tier 1.5
post #18493 of 20357
Priest

A blue/orange/teal assault, monochromatic in the extreme. Contrast ranges from blistering hot to non-existent. Black levels could use the occasional boost but are serviceable. Detail is precise and appreciated.

Tier 2.5*
post #18494 of 20357
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Originally Posted by Gamereviewgod View Post

Priest

A blue/orange/teal assault, monochromatic in the extreme. Contrast ranges from blistering hot to non-existent. Black levels could use the occasional boost but are serviceable. Detail is precise and appreciated.

Tier 2.5*

sleep in today?
post #18495 of 20357
The Ward

Some awful compression at work here, breaking down with some regularity. Mosquito noise makes an appearance here too. Colors are bland and flat, while the disc suffers from banding and aliasing. Black levels have no bite. Definition has its moments but not many.

Tier 3.25*
post #18496 of 20357
Dark City

A waxy-faced DNR nightmare. Its current rating of silver (i.e. above average) is WAY too high.

Tier 4.0

Viewed on a 52" 1080p screen, from 8 feet. Hardware: Sony KDL-52EX700, Panasonic BDP-65.
post #18497 of 20357
Life During Wartime (Criterion Collection)

Shot on a RED camera, Life During Wartime evinces a highly pleasing level of detail and depth of field. The idiosyncratic color palette is pleasingly rendered. Blacks are deep and solid. The transfer is a bit off from the finest from-film or animated transfers, so I wouldn't call it the absolute best. But it's quite, quite good.

Tier 1.5

Viewed on a 52" 1080p screen, from 8 feet. Hardware: Sony KDL-52EX700, Panasonic BDP-65.
post #18498 of 20357
Any of u guys saw Winter in Wartime? Stunning picture quality. It's a Dutch film.
post #18499 of 20357
Marley and Me: The Puppy Years

Cheap digital production, cleanly saturated with pleasing, natural primaries. Detail is crisp while the stupid smoothing for the dog's mouths ruins the fur definition. Blacks are consistent. Some shots suffer from extensive pixelization and heavy compression.

Tier 2.5*
post #18500 of 20357
Quote:
Originally Posted by tim_1335 View Post

Any of u guys saw Winter in Wartime? Stunning picture quality. It's a Dutch film.

I can assure you I wish I had seen that instead of a Marley and Me sequel where the dogs talk.
post #18501 of 20357
Quote:
Originally Posted by tim_1335 View Post

Any of u guys saw Winter in Wartime? Stunning picture quality. It's a Dutch film.

Netflix hasn't come through for me and the current price is a bit steep. But yes, I like what I'm seeing in screen shots and am dying to watch it. I may just blind buy at the current price point and get it free through Sony Rewards.
post #18502 of 20357
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamereviewgod View Post

I can assure you I wish I had seen that instead of a Marley and Me sequel where the dogs talk.

LOL...glad you're reviewing that one, 'cause I'll probably never see it.
post #18503 of 20357
Hobo with a Shotgun

Holy smokes - the saturation of colors! I've never seen so many orange faces outside of a carrot juice wresting convention! This really detracted from the movie for me. The boosted contrast didn't help either, destroying any semblance of depth for the most part.

Details, on the other hand, are superb. Every line and crease is well textured. Blacks are crushed for the most part, though whites do retain details.

Overall, it is UGLY. But PQ-wise, it's still above average.

Tier Recommendation: 2.75*

ln46a650 - 1080p/24 - 6'
post #18504 of 20357
Quote:
Originally Posted by mweflen View Post

Life During Wartime (Criterion Collection)

Shot on a RED camera, Life During Wartime evinces a highly pleasing level of detail and depth of and field. The idiosyncratic color palette is pleasingly rendered. Blacks are deep and solid. The transfer is a bit off from the finest from-film or animated transfers, so I wouldn't call it the absolute best. But it's quite, quite good.

Tier 1.5

Since the normal greeters are missing in action at the moment, welcome to the thread, mweflen. Anyone know off hand the highest ranked film in the Tiers shot on the RED? It seems to get a lot of Tier One recommendations, though I can't think of too many higher placements.
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Originally Posted by deltasun View Post

Hobo with a Shotgun

Holy smokes - the saturation of colors! I've never seen so many orange faces outside of a carrot juice wresting convention! This really detracted from the movie for me. The boosted contrast didn't help either, destroying any semblance of depth for the most part.

Overall, it is UGLY. But PQ-wise, it's still above average.

All I saw it was on cable, but have to agree on how ugly Hobo looks. The color timing was actually offensive at certain points in the movie.
post #18505 of 20357
Source Code

Agree with the recommendation, though I watched the US release. It didn't look dark on my set, but agree with everything else too. I also thought the aerial shots were handsomely detailed, though they did have some shimmering. Not the best aerials, but are still striking.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lgans316 View Post

Source Code (UK / Optimum Releasing)

A bit dark for my taste but after adjusting the PQ settings in my player thought it looked very nice, sharp, saturated and detailed. I disagree that the aerial shots didn't look detailed.

Recommendation: Tier 1.5

Tier Recommendation: 1.50

Really enjoyed this one; may be my fave blockbuster of the year. I do hear Fast Five is excellent as well. Looking forward to that.

ln46a650 - 1080p/24 - 6'
post #18506 of 20357
Yes - welcome, mweflen! I'm looking forward to watching my copy of Life During Wartime.

Phantom: it'll probably saturate even more on blu. It did help make that Drake character vampirically sinister in one of the blue-hued scenes.
post #18507 of 20357
Star Trek: The Original Series Season One

Fine detail is exquisite at times, though shots with optically composited effects (such as transporters or phasers) tend to degrade picture. Color and contrast are punchy, deep and solid. Many facial close-ups lead to a feast of detail generally speaking. New special effects shots display inky black starscapes and a highly detailed set of CGI chip models. Most episodes show a fine 35mm grain structure. No visible EE or DNR.

Overall, competitive with modern televised HD, but not in the absolute top tier of blu-rays. Spectacular for what it is - a transfer of 40+ year old film.


Tier 1.75

Sony KDL52EX700
Panasonic BD65
8 foot viewing distance
post #18508 of 20357
Spartacus

DNR has washed away fine detail, and EE has been applied to pump things back up. Very little film grain is evident at all. Colors are a bit wan and greenish. Black levels are inconsistent throughout. Mid-range detail is better than the previous Criterion DVD, but not by much. A travesty.

Tier 4

Sony KDL-52EX700
Panasonic BD65
8 foot viewing distance
post #18509 of 20357
The Red Shoes (Criterion Collection)

Restoration of degraded film materials has led to a truly pleasing presentation - with a few minor exceptions of technicolor strips not quite matching up. Colors are solid and vibrant generally. Detail, both fine and mid-level, is at least in the upper half of Blu-Ray transfers. No DNR or EE evident whatsoever. Film grain is omnipresent and pleasing.

Tier 2.0


Sony KDL-52EX700
Panasonic BD65
8 foot viewing distance
post #18510 of 20357
Star Trek III: The Search For Spock

Film grain has been stripped away by DNR, and has been compensated for with EE. Scenes with an abundance of smoke (such as several close-ups on the Genesis Planet) show bizarre pixellation and posterization artifacts as a result. Faces tend towards waxy, except in the aforementioned smoky shots. Mid-level detail is pleasing. Colors have been bumped up to enjoyable if perhaps a bit cartoonish, levels of saturation. Black levels are strong. This transfer is, to my mind, the poster-boy for overly aggressive treatment of 80s material.

Tier 3.75


Sony KDL-52EX700
Panasonic BD65
8 foot viewing distance
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