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post #1891 of 20369
1/4/08 at 1:43pm
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Why would it lock the thread? It's 'news' regarding formats. Not posted to incite anything other than make others aware.

Because this isn't a news thread.
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post #1892 of 20369
1/4/08 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by mhtom View Post

Because this isn't a news thread.

True - it's a Blu-Ray thread where Blu-Ray people go so for one to get 'in-arms' over having something negative happen to the thread you should be more 'open' not not 'close-minded' about things. touchy-touchy...

ps - so every post on here pertains to PQ? didn't think so.
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post #1893 of 20369
1/4/08 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by AustinSTI View Post

Which RE?

The first one. The others have something after Resident Evil.
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post #1894 of 20369
1/4/08 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by Wryker View Post

True - it's a Blu-Ray thread where Blu-Ray people go so for one to get 'in-arms' over having something negative happen to the thread you should be more 'open' not not 'close-minded' about things. touchy-touchy...

ps - so every post on here pertains to PQ? didn't think so.

Every post should pertain to that discussion. There are many more links below this one which can facilitate other topics. On to the subject at hand, I am one of the ones completely for the new tier 0. There is a clear divide between Casino Royale and Spider-Man 3 but that becomes much less discernible from there up.

Some adjustment requests though, Identity and Hellboy I feel might be placed a little low. As far as I know, neither have the artifacts of Underworld: Evolution and both have great contrast and depth. I know tier 2 is not a bad place to be, but I felt, at least for Identity, it rivaled many of those with Gold status.
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post #1895 of 20369
1/4/08 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by mhtom View Post

Because this isn't a news thread.

But it is news than can (and will) have an impact on this thread.

For example, will we now start getting high bitrate titles from Warner? Will we notice an improvement in PQ as a result?

Will be interesting.....
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post #1896 of 20369
1/4/08 at 3:37pm
I'm hoping for a Batman Begins Blu Ray and
The Dark Knight Blu Ray in the Fall !
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post #1897 of 20369
1/4/08 at 3:45pm
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Originally Posted by Wryker View Post

True - it's a Blu-Ray thread where Blu-Ray people go so for one to get 'in-arms' over having something negative happen to the thread you should be more 'open' not not 'close-minded' about things. touchy-touchy...

ps - so every post on here pertains to PQ? didn't think so.

I don't care either way, I just know the mods have much less tolerance now. Remember when they closed the HD DVD/Blu-ray forums altogether for a few days?
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post #1898 of 20369
1/4/08 at 6:00pm
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I'm hoping for a Batman Begins Blu Ray and
The Dark Knight Blu Ray in the Fall !

I'm waiting for Jurassic Park ...IF that ever comes out.
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post #1899 of 20369
1/4/08 at 7:50pm
FF2 should be T2. the grain is too much.
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post #1900 of 20369
1/4/08 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin View Post

I do as well.

I am not quite sure that CR is a Tier 0 title either.

I personally think the cutoff should be right below Apocalypto. Everything under that should be Tier 1.

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But it is news than can (and will) have an impact on this thread.

For example, will we now start getting high bitrate titles from Warner? Will we notice an improvement in PQ as a result?

Will be interesting.....

I agree that the news should've stayed posted here. Just no extended discussion on the topic. Anyway, the mods need to be aware of it for the influx of posters that will be joining over the coming months and ripping our Tier thread to bits and complaining about the lack of voting. There may even be another hijack attempt

Brandon
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post #1901 of 20369
1/4/08 at 11:11pm
Just a thought:

Can we have another listing that has the movies rankings in alphabetical order? I plan on using this to decide whether to get certain titles and it becomes cumbersome to try to locate a given title.

THANKS!!
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post #1902 of 20369
1/4/08 at 11:15pm
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Originally Posted by coolhand View Post

Just a thought:

Can we have another listing that has the movies rankings in alphabetical order? I plan on using this to decide whether to get certain titles and it becomes cumbersome to try to locate a given title.

THANKS!!

Not trying to be rude, but this has been asked about 5 billion times now.

Again: control "F" is your friend.

The list will not be alphabetized.
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post #1903 of 20369
1/5/08 at 12:18am
There is one useful page on this 64 page thread. You will have to pardon me if I choose not to read the ensuing 63 pages and give ideas on how to improve a sticky thread. The HD-DVD thread is much more user friendly and well done. It just so happens today is a new dawn.
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post #1904 of 20369
1/5/08 at 7:55am
I watched Pan's Labyrinth last night and am quite comfortable with its current ranking. I must admit though that the movie totally grabs you and pulls you in plus there's the need to keep track of the subtitles, so I didn't spend much time looking for flaws.

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post #1905 of 20369
1/5/08 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

Anyway, the mods need to be aware of it for the influx of posters that will be joining over the coming months and ripping our Tier thread to bits and complaining

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Originally Posted by coolhand View Post

The HD-DVD thread is much more user friendly and well done. It just so happens today is a new dawn.

Mods, don't say I didn't warn ya

Brandon
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post #1906 of 20369
1/5/08 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by coolhand View Post

Just a thought:

Can we have another listing that has the movies rankings in alphabetical order? I plan on using this to decide whether to get certain titles and it becomes cumbersome to try to locate a given title.

THANKS!!

The movie are listed in order for a reason. A movie listed in the top of a tier is better than at the bottom, so an alphabetical listing would defeat the purpose of the listing. Use Control-F to find a movie.
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post #1907 of 20369
1/5/08 at 1:59pm
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Some adjustment requests though, Identity and Hellboy I feel might be placed a little low. As far as I know, neither have the artifacts of Underworld: Evolution and both have great contrast and depth. I know tier 2 is not a bad place to be, but I felt, at least for Identity, it rivaled many of those with Gold status.

I agree 100% regarding Hellboy. It definately belongs at least at the bottom 2/3rds of Gold as it's certainly an overall superior transfer than films like "Close Encounters of the Third Kind."

T.B.
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post #1908 of 20369
1/5/08 at 2:11pm
Considering the shuffling going on now with Tier 0, I'm going to go ahead and recommend Shoot 'Em Up for Tier 0 status. It looks great, no artifacting anywhere, it's got a razor sharp image, and colors pop very well. Grain is present, as it's shot on film, but it's very very minimal and preserved as well it possibly can be. It looks very natural so to speak. The fact that there's no artifacting is especially impressive considering that there's hardly a single static shot in the entire film.

I'm watching this title on a Samsung 4066F 40" 1080p LCD TV... 15,000:1 CR, and I'm sitting about 5 feet away from the TV.
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post #1909 of 20369
1/5/08 at 2:17pm
Also, why the hell is Mr Brooks so high? The black levels in that disc are terrible, especially in many night shots of the city... It looks great in many indoor shots, but putting as the third most impressive Blu Ray disc is pretty wild.
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post #1910 of 20369
1/5/08 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by AlexanderG View Post

Also, why the hell is Mr Brooks so high? The black levels in that disc are terrible, especially in many night shots of the city... It looks great in many indoor shots, but putting as the third most impressive Blu Ray disc is pretty wild.

You/and other folks who agree with you need to chime in.When P-99 and his cronies made enough noise,it got moved up,simple as that.I agree it is too high,it looks great,just not as good as some of the stuff below it.
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post #1911 of 20369
1/5/08 at 3:05pm
Don't read into this the wrong way but who decides what movies go where? And if we disagree with a films placement is there some sort of vote or conversation about it? Not being cynical just trying to understand the order of things. I like this thread but I have a few questions that still remain ignored and unanswered. This thread almost feels like a secret society to me. Just my .02
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post #1912 of 20369
1/5/08 at 3:21pm
BTW,^^^that was un HD-DVD related.
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post #1913 of 20369
1/5/08 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

Don't read into this the wrong way but who decides what movies go where? And if we disagree with a films placement is there some sort of vote or conversation about it? Not being cynical just trying to understand the order of things. I like this thread but I have a few questions that still remain ignored and unanswered. This thread almost feels like a secret society to me. Just my .02


Titles are typically moved or placed by consensus among those who post about them. The thread is "managed" by AustinSTI, with Rob Tomlin and SupRSlow assisting in the maintenance.

If you have opinions about a title, listed or unlisted, write a short synopsis of your thoughts here. Others will add their impressions that either confirm your placement in a tier, or suggest alternate placement with reasons for "disagreement". Once several posters seem to agree on the relative position in a tier for a title, one of the thread managers places it appropriately. Of course, further discussion is always invited and has resulted in titles being moved from their original location many times.

Be sure to list your associated equipment: player, TV/monitor, and viewing distance. This helps to validate your comments as to what you have observed.

I'm sure others with more time on this forum will add even better comments for you. These are my impressions after following this thread for months. Personally, I feel that running a thread of this magnitude deserves a hearty thanks. It's a difficult job that rarely pleases everyone, yet it provides a quick reference as to the relative merits of a given transfer to BD.

I hope this helps.

Lee
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post #1914 of 20369
1/5/08 at 3:49pm
Excellent post Lee; and, yes, kudos to the guys who are maintaining the thread.
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post #1915 of 20369
1/5/08 at 4:06pm
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Originally Posted by RBFC View Post

Titles are typically moved or placed by consensus among those who post about them. The thread is "managed" by AustinSTI, with Rob Tomlin and SupRSlow assisting in the maintenance.

If you have opinions about a title, listed or unlisted, write a short synopsis of your thoughts here. Others will add their impressions that either confirm your placement in a tier, or suggest alternate placement with reasons for "disagreement". Once several posters seem to agree on the relative position in a tier for a title, one of the thread managers places it appropriately. Of course, further discussion is always invited and has resulted in titles being moved from their original location many times.

Be sure to list your associated equipment: player, TV/monitor, and viewing distance. This helps to validate your comments as to what you have observed.

I'm sure others with more time on this forum will add even better comments for you. These are my impressions after following this thread for months. Personally, I feel that running a thread of this magnitude deserves a hearty thanks. It's a difficult job that rarely pleases everyone, yet it provides a quick reference as to the relative merits of a given transfer to BD.

I hope this helps.

Lee

Thanks for the response. Makes sense to me, so here goes again:

Can someone tell me why "Stomp the Yard" was moved to mid-tier 3. When I recommended it be added to the thread a few months back another member who'd seen the movie agreed with my high tier 2 recommendation, which it was promptly placed, thanks . Now it seems to have been moved. What troubles me the most is that no one seems to have seen this movie, atleast that's the impression I've gotten from the lack of responses to my first 2 inquiries. I think this film looks excellent, a lot better than a few titles above it. I've also posted some links to professional reviews which agree with my assesment.

The reason I continue to bring this up is because now it makes me second guess all placements In this thread (well some). How do I know this is the only title this has happened to? Anyone who know's me and has been part of any thread that I've participated in, knows that ranting and sensationalism is not my style, but this just has me wondering.....Things that make you go hmm.

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post #1916 of 20369
1/5/08 at 4:23pm
Just watched shoot em up. This is definitely a tier 0 film, it is extremely sharp and detailed. I watched it on a Samsung 46 inch 1080p tv at about 9 feet away.
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post #1917 of 20369
1/5/08 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by AfRoMaN787 View Post

Just watched shoot em up. This is definitely a tier 0 film, it is extremely sharp and detailed. I watched it on a Samsung 46 inch 1080p tv at about 9 feet away.

Shoot em up looked good but I'm not sure if it deserves Tier 0. Mid to high tier 1, right around "Troy" seems like a good spot for it. There were a few scenes that were less than spectacular, although good throughout.
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post #1918 of 20369
1/5/08 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

Don't read into this the wrong way but who decides what movies go where? And if we disagree with a films placement is there some sort of vote or conversation about it? Not being cynical just trying to understand the order of things. I like this thread but I have a few questions that still remain ignored and unanswered. This thread almost feels like a secret society to me. Just my .02

I think the best way to describe how the system works is that it's more qualitative (discussion) rather than quantitative (poll), like the HD DVD system.
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post #1919 of 20369
1/5/08 at 4:37pm
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Originally Posted by AfRoMaN787 View Post

Just watched shoot em up. This is definitely a tier 0 film, it is extremely sharp and detailed. I watched it on a Samsung 46 inch 1080p tv at about 9 feet away.

Damn, now I REALLY want to get this movie.
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post #1920 of 20369
1/5/08 at 4:40pm
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Originally Posted by mhtom View Post

I think the best way to describe how the system works is that it's more qualitative (discussion) rather than quantitative (poll), like the HD DVD system.

Thanks, I guess my issue was movement with lack of discussion .
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