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post #19081 of 21407
Gojira (Godzilla) Criterion

Masterful restoration of a film that has languished for decades in a sea of scratches and dirt. Few imperfections remain, just light scratches really, that it's a marvel of restoration techniques. Black levels and gray scale are tremendous, and textural precision is stunning. Special effects shots are even up there despite their permanent softness. Sharpness is jaw dropping, and even in terms of this thread, Gojira is a looker. Staggering work.

Tier 3.0*
post #19082 of 21407
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Ides of March

A stunning textural achievement. Staggering facial definition and exterior sharpness everywhere. A little bit of black crush is notable if not a game killer, and the palette tends to veer washed out to sap some of the power from the visuals. Still, this is all DETAIL. Stunning stuff.

Tier .75*

Agreed! This is wonderful transfer with amazing DETAIL! Facial detail is some of the best I've seen. Some black crush here and there but overall blacks were inky. The scene where George Clooney has the sit down interview with Charlie Moore has amazing blacks(my Kuro has never looked blacker) .

Recommendation: .75
post #19083 of 21407
Captain America: The First Avenger

recommendation: 2.5


Captain America has received some very tough marks in this thread, resulting in a placement in Tier 2.75. That is just a tick too low in my viewpoint, though I do see some problems as a result of the production and some meddling to the image in post-production.

The opening blizzard scene is abysmal and the CGI does not look good in it. A certain level of edge enhancement has been used, creating halos on occasion when they shouldn't be there. The tools have improved so the effect is more subtle, but this transfer has been manipulated and filtered on some level. It lacks the refinement and visceral detail of an untouched Blu-ray. Tommy Lee Jones' face and its lack of real high-frequency information gives it away the most, if you use the many other movies he has appeared in on Blu-ray as a reference.

Colors are mostly tinted for a vintage period look, at least as understood by modern Hollywood. The video encode has no major artifacts except in the opening blizzard, where banding problems around points of light appear. Black levels are solid with a decent amount of shadow delineation, though nothing that could be called amazing or spectacular.

To be honest, the picture quality is a little disappointing for a new summer actioner. The extensive use of CGI for minor modifications have led to a softer than normal picture at times, particularly early in the film when Chris Evans is digitally altered to look like a weakling. That makes the image somewhat inconsistent, switching in quality from Tier One to Tier Two moment to moment.

If one is very lenient about digital manipulation to the picture, a placement in Tier 2.25 sounds correct. But putting all the little nagging weaknesses into account, my final verdict is Tier 2.5.

BDInfo scan (courtesy of Cinema Squid):
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post21316189
Technically this scan is for the rental version and Paramount has been known to do separate video encodes for retail, but I thought it was better to include it than nothing at all. The copy I viewed was the retail version.
post #19084 of 21407
Godzilla: King of the Monsters

As a supplement, not a main feature, KoTM gets the short end of the compression stick. Grain is heartier and nowhere near as resolved. It's a consistent struggle through the whole movie. Godzilla's attacks are brighter, lacking the real depth and tightness of the Japanese version. Still rich and crisp, just not as good. Fantastic restoration considering how damaged it was before.

Tier 3.5*
post #19085 of 21407
Contagion

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Contagion

Awful color grading take a lot of the appeal out of this one. Yellows, greens, and oranges are dominate, ugly and sickly which is sort of the point. Detail comes and goes, the appearance more glossy than natural. Some banding and general softness is evident. Black levels are firm.

Tier 2.5*

I couldn't agree more with GRG's assessment of this title. I will add though that *some* of the facial close-ups are quite detailed, with superb texture and accurate flesh tones. I kept thinking throughout the movie, "The PQ is very STERILE-looking" (in keeping with the theme of the movie). I'm inclined to bump it up a notch, so......

Tier Recommendation: 2.25*

Pioneer 60" KURO Elite (1080p/24)....Pioneer Elite 05....Viewed from 7.5'
post #19086 of 21407
Courageous

This a hard one to call! Why? Because it's INCONSISTENT, though for the most part it looks pretty darn good.

The BAD:

1) Some ALIASING
2) Some SOFT and FLAT shots
3) Some JERKY CAMERA WORK that resulted in a LOSS OF DETAIL
4) Some SMOOTHED-OVER faces

The GOOD:

1) Some remarkable CLARITY and SHARPNESS
2) Some WARM and VIVID COLORS
3) Some decent BLACKS and SHADOW DETAILS
4) Some amazing DEPTH in daytime scenes

When I started out by saying this would be a hard call, I was thinking primarily of its worthiness to be deemed "demo-worthy." It's surely NOT REFERENCE, but it *may* be worthy of Tier 1 status. MY "generous gene" is telling me, "Give it a 1.75 rating," but my "common sense" is telling me, "Give it a 2.0." Well......common sense is ruling today.....

Tier Recommendation: 2.0*

Pioneer 60" KURO Elite (1080p/24)....Pioneer Elite 05....Viewed from 7.5'
post #19087 of 21407
This thread alone just hit 3,000,000 page views in the past day, making it number one in that category by a wide margin in the Blu-ray software sub-forum on AVS.
post #19088 of 21407
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This thread alone just hit 3,000,000 page views in the past day, making it number one in that category by a wide margin in the Blu-ray software sub-forum on AVS.

Long live the King!!!
post #19089 of 21407
Star Trek: TNG - The Next Level

I should preface this by saying that I am inherently biased towards this release, because TNG is so dear to me. But I will try to control the bias.

Right out of the box, this is superior to the TOS BD set, because the transfer was taken from the original film elements of BOTH the live action AND the effects shots, and recomposited for this release. This leaves the effects shots looking like pristine 35mm film, as opposed to TOS, which was a transfer of already composited material.

Detail ranges from quite good to extraordinary. At its best it is close to tier 0. In a show with so many varied lighting schemes, it doesn't always stay that high. Here is a photo I took for my blog (treknobable.net), which shows how detailed face shots can get [ http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2NvLFs57AB...0/DSCF2169.JPG ]. Keep in mind it is only a digital photo, not a direct screen grab. The biggest upgrade over the DVD is in the effects shots, for the reasons elucidated above. Film grain is present throughout and is well resolved.

Color is rock solid and vibrant, with very accurate flesh tones. The uniforms leap off the screen. Blacks are solid with good detail near black in most scenes.

I agree with the TOS rating of 1.75. I think this is better in terms of visual interest and overall quality because of the improved models and visual effects, and the improvement in original elements for scanning. Thus, I think this can only fairly be placed at ...

Tier Recommendation 1.25

Sony KDL52EX700, 6-8 foot viewing distance (I kept getting close to scope out the lovely details)
post #19090 of 21407
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This thread alone just hit 3,000,000 page views in the past day, making it number one in that category by a wide margin in the Blu-ray software sub-forum on AVS.


Thanks to all who contribute and keep the thread alive and kicking, especially to you Phantom as your diligence and perseverance make it possible.
post #19091 of 21407
PS....can't wait to see the reviews for Drive...
post #19092 of 21407
Word is Melancholia is reference. Sucks that the UK version is region locked
post #19093 of 21407
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Originally Posted by mweflen View Post

Detail ranges from quite good to extraordinary. Here is a photo I took for my blog (treknobable.net), which shows how detailed face shots can get [ http://i.imgur.com/riyF6.jpg ]. Keep in mind it is only a digital photo, not a direct screen grab. The biggest upgrade over the DVD is in the effects shots, for the reasons elucidated above. Film grain is present throughout and is well resolved.

Tier Recommendation 1.5

That screenshot of Picard looks incredible, I never imagined they could wring that much detail out of a television production from the 1980s. It gives me hope for other television shows from the era, if they ever get the lavish care and attention that Star Trek:TNG is receiving. I can only dream about a show like the X-Files getting that treatment.
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Thanks to all who contribute and keep the thread alive and kicking, especially to you Phantom as your diligence and perseverance make it possible.

Thank you for the kind words, now on to the next three million page views. Your check is in the mail.
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Word is Melancholia is reference. Sucks that the UK version is region locked

I have not seen the Blu-ray yet, but its broadcast on HDNet Movies looked about as good as a cable showing can look.
post #19094 of 21407
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

That screenshot of Picard looks incredible, I never imagined they could wring that much detail out of a television production from the 1980s. It gives me hope for other television shows from the era, if they ever get the lavish care and attention that Star Trek:TNG is receiving. I can only dream about a show like the X-Files getting that treatment.

I only wish I could do direct screen grabs of blu-rays, but I don't have a PC drive for it. It's honestly twice as impressive in person. I tried to match resolutions and angles, but the contrast is a bit off and the detail is not as prominent in the photos as in the real thing.

Basically, once anyone sees the title sequence, they will be sold. It's astonishing.

The rest of the pics I posted online are here.
post #19095 of 21407
The English Patient (US Lionsgate)

Bad news first - certain dark scenes are a bit muddy with some unpleasant noise at closer viewing distances. The overall gamma is a bit dim, but this can be punched up considerably by just tweaking your gamma upward a tad.

Good news - this is light years ahead of the soft, muddy DVD (I haven't seen the Canadian BD, since I was waiting for this one). Scenes with strong lighting show very good detail, with whiskers, rocks and sand textures, and so on, easily evident. The best portions of this disc have tier one detail. The scenes of shopping in Cairo are particularly impressive, with all sorts of fine rugs and gewgaws in store booths to look at. Colors have a distinct sepia, sunlit tone in flashback scenes, a more realistic cool palette in "present day" scenes. Both look fine to my eyes.

Film grain is present, but not resolved to a particularly fine level. It looks filmic, but not among the best, most filmic transfers available today. I could detect no edge enhancement or DNR, which was a pleasant surprise to me, since I knew that this was a grainy, soft film in general (saw it 3 times in the theater ), and that this might inspire undue tinkering. This transfer is respectful, and thus free of any of those sorts of blemishes.

Tier Recommendation: 2.5

Sony KDL52EX700, 8 foot viewing distance
post #19096 of 21407
The Thing (2011)

Set mostly in the dark, lighting will help preserve some great fine detail. Texture is consistent. Black levels are generally deep with a few lapses. Colors are plain but enough to get the point across; flames look fantastic. Pleasing, just never outstanding.

Tier 2.5*
post #19097 of 21407
Updated my blog post with new better higher res digital photos of TNG The Next Level, as well as screengrabs from the DVD for comparison.

http://www.treknobabble.net/2012/01/...l-blu-ray.html

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2NvLFs57AB...0/DSCF2169.JPG
post #19098 of 21407
In Time

Typically bright but pale digital with superlative definition and facial detail. Black levels are consistent, and noise isn't a concern. Things get a little shaky in the back half, just enough to knock this one out a bit.

Tier 2.0*
post #19099 of 21407
Drive

This is a solid transfer with plenty of detail. Color palette is a little drab in some scenes but just a few here and there. Solid blacks, few instances of black crush but nothing to pervasive. Close ups for the most part are nicely detailed. Some nice aerials of the city at night as well. There are a few tier 0 quality scenes but not enough to put it there. Most notably toward the end of the film when the camera pans up from Ryan gosling bloody shoe on up. Amazing detail and contrast between blood and brown shoe

RECOMMENDATION: 1.0
post #19100 of 21407
Agora

This is an French-imported region-B locked film from Warner. The transfer and presentation are solid. Contrast is beautifully strong, though it does get overcooked in a few scenes, causing sun-drenched stonework to lose some details. These are the exceptions, however.

Color is strikingly rich, particularly the red in robes. Facial details don't disappoint for the most part, yielding exquisite texture and details. There are some inconsistencies with faces, and so softness does creep in hear and there. Still, nothing to affect the rating too much.

Blacks are inky and crisp, with no signs of crush. Dimensionality is in full display, even in medium shots. One thing that does disappoint are the overhead, CGI shots of the city and certain landmarks. Seems these could have been done right as well, but are not.

Overall, a very worthwhile candidate to Tier Blu. I did not spy any foul play.

Tier Recommendation: 0* (just above I, Robot)
post #19101 of 21407
Dream House

Bottom Line: An absolutely DREADFUL MOVIE...with fairly IMPRESSIVE PQ!

Aside from some soft shots sprinkled throughout, this title had tons of detail and depth, with a very good color palette to boot. This was true in EVERY daytime and outdoor scene. Facial textures were above average, but they rarely veered into demo territory. Blacks were quite pleasing in *most* night scenes, especially those outdoors (they became murky indoors at times, most notably flashback shots and the last scene during the fire). Flesh tones were spot on. Contrast was strong. All things considered, I'm inclined to award this a place in Tier 1, albeit in the very bottom....

Tier Recommendation: 1.75*

Pioneer 60" KURO Elite (1080p/24)....Pioneer Elite 05....Viewed from 7.5'

PS It still amazes me that stars such as Daniel Craig and Naomi Watts would sign on to such a miserable movie.
post #19102 of 21407
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PS It still amazes me that stars such as Daniel Craig and Naomi Watts would sign on to such a miserable movie.

A pithy Michael Caine quote of some relevance to your question about Jaws 4: The Revenge, a movie he had a role in-

"I have never seen the film, but by all accounts it was terrible. However I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific."
post #19103 of 21407
Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (UK)

Average PQ due to the intentional period and dull look. I was expecting worse but it turned out better. However, the application of a bit of EE seem results in halos in few medium / long shots. Film grain appears to be preserved.

Overrated and boring flick in my opinion and have no idea why Gary Oldman Oscar nominated for best acting.

Recommendation: Tier 2.75

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Drive (UK)

One of the best movies of 2011. PQ was great but let down by few compression artifacts and noise in dark scenes.

Recommendation: Tier 1.75

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The Lion King Diamond Edition

Another superb effort from Disney but few notches below BATB

Recommendation: Tier 1.25

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post #19104 of 21407
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

Dream House

Bottom Line: An absolutely DREADFUL MOVIE...with fairly IMPRESSIVE PQ!

I agree with the first part as it's already one of the worst things I've seen this year, but when the review goes up, we're going to be miles away on PQ.

Drive

Noise will scatter across this one a little too frequently, a bit of a bother. Night sequences lose their intensely saturated palette too, just a boring orange and teal. That said, everything else works, including the movie. Texture is stunning and consistent and black levels are simply a work of art.

Tier 1.75*
post #19105 of 21407
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

A pithy Michael Caine quote of some relevance to your question about Jaws 4: The Revenge, a movie he had a role in-

"I have never seen the film, but by all accounts it was terrible. However I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific."

Ah, yes...the Almighty Dollar!!

The thing is, this film would NOT have had the draw that any of the Jaws sequels had. Granted, they were showing the trailer quite often on tv, but that, in and of itself, doesn't attract the masses. In my case, I was attracted to it by the Star Power....Daniel Craig, Naomi Watts, and Rachel Weisz. I'm sure that was what they were counting on and I fell for it!
post #19106 of 21407
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I agree with the first part as it's already one of the worst things I've seen this year, but when the review goes up, we're going to be miles away on PQ.

Hmmmm...I wonder which direction you'll be going in?

I believe I'm going to stick by my recommendation no matter who chimes in with a different opinion. I was very impressed by details and depth in MANY shots, and the blacks levels, when they were good, were pure EYE CANDY!

I will repeat myself by saying there were quite a few soft shots. They were, I believe, intentional, but this thread dictates it should be penalized for them. I will add that in my short review I mentioned "a very good color palette." I should elaborate on that by saying much of the film has a cool, blue hue to it, but when the primaries are displayed they are VERY PLEASING to the eye.
post #19107 of 21407
The Thing (2011)

Well GRG....we won't be MILES apart on this one, but at least a couple of football fields!

I was not WOWED at all with this title. About the only real positive thing I can say is that some of the daytime and outdoor scenes with the dazzling, white snow were impressive. The contrast and details were very good in them, but then those scenes were "few and far between," with most of the running time taking place indoors or at night.

The negatives consisted mainly of less-than-stellar blacks (quite murky at times) and a real *gritty* look, similar to what you might have seen 20 years ago in a movie in this genre.

I'm not going to pick this apart any more than I already have....I'll get right to the placement recommendation. To my eyes this was only average and not even worthy of the top of that tier, so my vote goes for....

Tier Recommendation: 3.25*

Pioneer 60" KURO Elite (1080p/24)....Pioneer Elite 05....Viewed from 7.5'
post #19108 of 21407
Operation Condor

Crammed onto a single disc with three other Jackie Chan movies, this one is in trouble by default. Add an ancient master with extensive damage, DNR, and a little edge enhancement, and it's even worse. Compression is constantly noticeable, and the mild fine detail isn't close to being enough to save it.

Tier 3.75*
post #19109 of 21407
Dream House

Whoa - this was missing quite a bit of high-frequency details. That first shot of Daniel Craig in his office - he's either caked in make-up or some foul play was at work! Facial details and/or textures simply did not exist, or was kept to a minimum through some DNR. Indoor scenes were also pretty flat, particularly the ending scene at the house.

The scenes, for the most part, were warmer in tone. I say "for the most part" because there are some "cooler" scenes to fit the story. Skin tones were fairly close to normal, but does reflect the portion of the story they're in.

Black levels were deep and satisfying in the beginning and particularly outdoors. I would still call the contrast above average, save for a few poorly shot scenes (Daniel Craig staring at his male neighbor driving off). Details were also inconsistent for me and cannot easily recall any memorable examples to the contrary.

Overall, I felt the picture really took a nose dive along with the story. I actually liked the build up until the "revelation."

Tier Recommendation: 3.25*

ln46a650 - 1080p/24 - 6'
post #19110 of 21407
Hung: The Complete First Season

As with most series, it's hard to pin down a good rating for the entire run. In particular, the first season of Hung is a mixed bag for me. Definition does waver quite a bit and details come and go. The overall tone is a bit on the cooler side, with a lot of blues, light greens. Despite this, skin tones are a bit baked for the most part. Go figure!

Inky blacks is not the strongest attribute of the series. It's quite weak and so is the contrast. Still, the most annoying feature's got to be the random softness that seems to linger, and doesn't quite go away.

Depth is an issue as well in most scenes and shadow details are just average. Some slight ringing in high-contrast edges are also apparent throughout.

Tier Recommendation: 3.0*

ln46a650 - 1080p/24 - 6'
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