The New PQ Tier thread for Blu-Ray - Discussion - Page 65

Originally Posted by lrstevens421

Shoot em up looked good but I'm not sure if it deserves Tier 0. Mid to high tier 1, right around "Troy" seems like a good spot for it. There were a few scenes that were less than spectacular, although good throughout.

Originally Posted by lrstevens421

Thanks for the response. Makes sense to me, so here goes again:

Can someone tell me why "Stomp the Yard" was moved to mid-tier 3. When I recommended it be added to the thread a few months back another member who'd seen the movie agreed with my high tier 2 recommendation, which it was promptly placed, thanks . Now it seems to have been moved. What troubles me the most is that no one seems to have seen this movie, atleast that's the impression I've gotten from the lack of responses to my first 2 inquiries. I think this film looks excellent, a lot better than a few titles above it. I've also posted some links to professional reviews which agree with my assesment.

The reason I continue to bring this up is because now it makes me second guess all placements In this thread (well some). How do I know this is the only title this has happened to? Anyone who know's me and has been part of any thread that I've participated in, knows that ranting and sensationalism is not my style, but this just has me wondering.....Things that make you go hmm.

Sony 52XBR4 - 1080p24
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421

Thanks, I guess my issue was movement with lack of discussion .

Originally Posted by AlexanderG

Shoot 'Em Up looks vastly superior to Troy. Troy had terrible instances of softness and a few areas of artifacting, neither of which are a problem in Shoot 'Em Up.

Originally Posted by RBFC

Have you read the posts following yours, where you recommended placement for Stomp the Yard? Someone else may have disagreed, etc., causing the move.

If a title is moved that drastically without other opinions being offered, it may either be a mistake or other anomaly. If that's the case, PM one of the thread managers for more information on it.

There's really no "agenda" at work here, since folks tend to buy the titles they want to watch anyway. They use the tier thread mainly to "weed out" titles that may have exceptionally bad transfers, or they check to see what titles have garnered universal praise for their technical excellence.

Overall, use the thread as a rough guideline, since everybody has somewhat different viewing preferences and different equipment. You may discover the "line" where titles look great to you and how that correlates to that movie's position in the tier thread.

I haven't seen Stomp the Yard yet, so I can't personally comment.

Once again, my two cents' worth.

Lee

Originally Posted by AlexanderG

Shoot 'Em Up looks vastly superior to Troy. Troy had terrible instances of softness and a few areas of artifacting, neither of which are a problem in Shoot 'Em Up.

Originally Posted by AfRoMaN787

Just watched shoot em up. This is definitely a tier 0 film, it is extremely sharp and detailed. I watched it on a Samsung 46 inch 1080p tv at about 9 feet away.

Originally Posted by bplewis24

The only thing I could find was this post: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post10735549

If you do a search of this thread, until you brought up the Stomp the Yard topic in December, nobody had ever posted anything about it. In the post above the OP was forwarded the list from the original Tier Thread run by Fettastic. You'll notice in that post that Stomp the Yard was already Tier 3. So I'm guessing the placement of Stomp the Yard is a 100% carry over from the previous thread.

(My search was for "stomp the yard" posts)

Brandon

Originally Posted by Ian_Currie

This movie was a total pleasure. Amazing PQ & AQ and very creative.

Originally Posted by OhioMike

I went back and watched Casino Royale again last night due to all of the posts voting to move it back down a bit. I think this would be the correct move. I just wasn't blown away by it when compared to AWE and Mr. Brooks which I watched on Wednesday. It should probably just be #1 on Tier 1. Maybe it looks better on other set-ups, but I've seen better films on mine thus far. I was in favor of Tier 0 until re-watching, I guess I just hadn't watched it for several months and forgot that it wasn't that stellar.

Originally Posted by lrstevens421

Then I have no idea what happened, but I would love for others who seen the movie to comment on it. I tried to find my original post but wasn't able to, I think Fett's thread was deleted.

IT IS NOW OBVIOUS THAT IT WAS NOT MOVED IN THIS THREAD SO MY APOLOGIES TO AUSTIN. Now let's get this movie where it belongs. Once someone sees is ofcourse .

Thanks Brandon

Originally Posted by bplewis24

Yeah, Fett's threads were hijacked, unstickied, and he was suspended. So he left (or was banned) but before he did so he deleted his threads I think.

If I get a chance to watch Stomp the Yard I'll comment on it.

Brandon

Originally Posted by lrstevens421

Looking forward to your Stomp the Yard review, just remember we're judging PQ not the movie itself .

Larone

Originally Posted by bplewis24

I got a chance to pick this up tonight. I was really surprised at how much I enjoyed the movie. Yes, it was really predictable and deliberate in it's formula, but the lead actors were very sincere and believable and the story lulls lend themselves to dramatic dance sequences to pick the pace back up.

On the other hand, I'm sure part of the reason for the horrible reviews are due to the fact that most just won't be able to relate to this movie. If you've never been to a step show before, this probably all seems pretty corny and over the top. It is at times, but that's actually reaslitic!

On to the video...another surprise. The print was pristine. It was very clean through and through. It is a stylized look that runs pretty hot with the hues, and that does knock it down a bit. However, while it wasn't the most detailed I've seen, it wasn't anywhere near soft IMO. Contrast was good, even if it was cranked up a bit.

I'd say this is bottom Tier 1 material. Somewhere below 300 and above 2001 and probably League of Extraordinary Gentleman (relavant titles I've seen in that range). Where in Tier 2 did you originally rank it? I could live with the top of Tier 2.

PS3->1080p24->46XBR4 (8 feet)

Brandon

Originally Posted by hobbs47

You/and other folks who agree with you need to chime in.When P-99 and his cronies made enough noise,it got moved up,simple as that.I agree it is too high,it looks great,just not as good as some of the stuff below it.

Originally Posted by bplewis24

Oh yeah, and Bram Stoker's Dracula sucked. In the daytime shots I liked the new coloring, but in the darker/night shots everything that was claimed by Dave Mack is true. I damn near missed the scene with the superimposed writing even though I was specifically looking for it. But Lucy was a damn fine lookin' vampire.

Brandon

Originally Posted by lrstevens421

Glad you enjoyed it Brandon, told ya it looked good . It was initially listed near the top of tier 2 (top 5 or so.) To be honest it's right at home in Tier 1 also.

AustinSTI, Rob Tomlin, SuprSlow can we get this one moved to the bottom of Tier 1 or perhaps VERY high tier 2?

Larone

Originally Posted by AlexanderG

Also, why the hell is Mr Brooks so high? The black levels in that disc are terrible, especially in many night shots of the city... It looks great in many indoor shots, but putting as the third most impressive Blu Ray disc is pretty wild.

Originally Posted by AlexanderG

Also, why the hell is Mr Brooks so high? The black levels in that disc are terrible, especially in many night shots of the city... It looks great in many indoor shots, but putting as the third most impressive Blu Ray disc is pretty wild.

Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin

Where would you recommend it be placed? I would agree with a Tier 3 placement myself.

Originally Posted by patrick99

Could you give examples of specific shots or timecodes where you are seeing something that you don't like? I am one of those who supported putting Mr. Brooks in Tier 0, and in other cases it seems that you and I generally share the same views on PQ.

Unfortunately, black levels and particularly contrast left me disappointed. Blacks never quite look pure, which gives a slightly washed out look to the proceedings.

Black levels are almost wildly inconsistent though, sometimes very deep, at others deep enough that it probably won’t go noticed on higher contrast displays.

Originally Posted by AlexanderG

Sorry, I don't have the movie anymore, I rented it from Netflix a while back. I can just remember black levels being way off on certain nighttime shots of the city. Looked like someone jacked the brightness up on my TV. Blacks never really look that deep of black either, looking sometimes like an extremely dark Navy.

Peter Bracke's Highdefdigest review nailed it with this comment:



Peter Bracke gave the title a 3.5/5 stars, which I wouldn't agree with. I'd say Chad Varnadore is much more on point with his assessment of 4.5/5 stars. But he seems to find the same faults with the disc that Peter Bracke and I do.
From Chad Varnadore's ***************.com Mr. Brooks review:



Don't get me wrong though, I think the image is great and better than most Blu Ray titles... But I think that its placement as third best looking Blu Ray disc is erroneous.

Side note: Let's get Shoot 'Em Up on the list Tier 0 somewhere.

Originally Posted by bplewis24

To be honest, I can't imagine it's noticeably better than Devil Wears Prada or Goodfellas, both of which were very soft. In fact off memory I think it's worse. I don't have much of a problem with where it is right now, but if it were moved into Tier 3 I think Goodfellas should be too.

I mean...ugh: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=426

Brandon