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post #19441 of 21409
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post #19442 of 21409
Act of Valor

Tight detail is great with minor flubs quickly passed over. Some noise, aliasing, banding, and black level dimming are are all brief. Act of Valor is shot on a variety of stuff to keep the look shifting, but the encode handles the challenge. Shot soft, the look is specific, but not enough to kill a generally high placement.

Tier 2.0*
post #19443 of 21409
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post #19444 of 21409
Superman Vs. The Elite

recommendation: Tier 1.0*


Once again Warner Bros. Animation has produced another superlative animated feature that takes full advantage of the format's potential. The 74-minute main feature is encoded in AVC on a BD-25. Video bitrates are not overwhelming, as the AVC encode rarely peaks above 19 Mbps with frequent dips to the low teens. The clean animation still looks beautiful and neatly polished, particularly for a direct-to-video movie.

Since most of the traditional animation was created in a computer, this is a perfect digital transfer with no anomalies at all. It's clean as a whistle and takes full advantage of a bright color palette to maximize the eye candy effect. Having top-notch clarity and possessing high-quality animation that looks more polished than prior DCU movies, Superman Vs. The Elite is a sure candidate for the top of Tier One. Perfect black levels and contrast are so welcome to view after a string of poor BDs.

The animation studios behind these DCU features have definitely gotten wiser in producing them, as each new one seems to look better and better on Blu-ray. The rampant banding seen in the earliest efforts is all but gone by now. Backgrounds are more detailed and the character designs are becoming more consistent from scene to scene. Even the audio mixes have been improved, as this disc has an aggressive sound mix that is as good as any new movie I've heard this year.
Edited by Phantom Stranger - 6/12/12 at 7:50pm
post #19445 of 21409
Ef – A Tale Of Memories.

recommendation: Tier 1.75*

This anime series has a very interesting look to it, primarily because the series utilizes the animation medium to full effect. The series will shift art and animation styles within a scene to highlight key points in the story. It creates a beautiful tableau of colors and line-art at select moments. The visual design elements nearly approach the work of Studio Ghibli in creativity.

The picture quality itself is flawless and pristine. The strong line-art is filled out with a mellower color palette than is usual for animation, though it is appropriate for the emotional tonality of the show. Sentai Filmworks has provided an excellent AVC video encode and spreads the series over two BDs. This set did not end up with a higher recommendation because of the softer approach to lighting in it and the fairly simple character designs. The animation does not pop like the best features so often do on Blu-ray with excellent dimensionality.
post #19446 of 21409
Journey 2: The Mysterious Island

Brilliant splashes of color highlight this kid's feature, along with some intense, deep texture. It's a shame the black levels don't come to play on that same level. Awesome shots of the island reveal spectacular definition on plants and trees. A bit of noise will dampen a little bit of the fun, but only slightly.

Tier 1.75*
post #19447 of 21409
Jeff, Who Lives at Home

Very crisp comedy with endless dazzling close-ups. Definition is pouring from this one. A black level lapse now and then is forgivable. Colors retain a natural beauty with a little saturation, enough to have some oomph.

Tier 1.5*
post #19448 of 21409
Doors - Mr. Mojo Risin': The Story Of L.A. Woman

recommendation: Tier 3.75*


A documentary on the production of the Doors' final album, it's difficult to assign one score to represent its total video quality. The short feature, running 59 minutes, is the standard mix of talking head interviews shot on digital cameras, interspersed with very rough archival footage from the 60s. The modern interviews are ultra-clear in HD, with a style reminiscent of material found on the Discovery channel or something similar.

Where the picture quality becomes quite rough are the frequent historical clips and montages, mostly from poor elements and degraded video of the era. The bulk of the archival footage looks bad enough for me to almost create a new Tier, below the dregs of Tier Five. This is material meant to be seen by fans alone. Trying to balance the disparity between the two main elements of this documentary, I'm probably being generous in assigning it a score of 3.75.
Edited by Phantom Stranger - 6/15/12 at 9:47pm
post #19449 of 21409
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Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows


Looks nice and better than it's prequel. Ultra thin layer of grain visible but some shots looks a bit filtered. Contrast is strong. Well defined close up shots. Colors are a bit saturated than its prequel but confines to the period look. Black levels are a bit weak on some scenes. Very good PQ overall.

Recommendation: Tier 2.0

I'm afraid I can't agree with you on this one, lgans. To my eyes, this was the typical mediocre Warner PQ that is so sadly familiar.

Tier 2.75*
post #19450 of 21409
Okami-san & Her Seven Companions

recommendation: Tier 3.25*


This is a 2010 series, released a couple of months ago in the U.S. by Funimation. It appears to be a 1080p upscale from a show animated at 720p, rendering the animation a tad softer than if it had been originally produced in 1080p. There are no compression problems aside from minor glimpses of banding. The animation is fairly basic with sparse backgrounds and simple line art. While the increase in resolution is decent over the included DVD, Okami-san does not impress immediately like most HD animation.
post #19451 of 21409
Machine Gun Preacher

Shifting film stocks (35 and 16mm) brings about wild grain shifts. Grain spikes are handled without the care the they need, and black levels will miss some opportunities to score. Close-ups are impressive, and the earth toned palette is appealing.

Tier 2.0*
post #19452 of 21409
The Ides of March

I know I'm a little late to the rating party, but I finally watched this one from Netflix. It is almost without flaw. It presents a perfectly filmic transfer of a new-release 35 mm print. Grain is light and stable. Both close up facial detail as well as background detail are superb. For the most part black levels and shadow details are superb, with the exception of about ten seconds in the abortion clinic, in which things look oddly digital and crushed. I have know way of knowing if this was the director's intent, though, having only seen this on BD.

Tier Recommendation: 0 (above Watchmen)

KDL52EX700, 8 foot viewing distance
post #19453 of 21409
Bad Ass

Bright, saturated, and pleasing all around until the final moments when stock footage from Red Heat is used. Those moments are hilariously DNR'ed to match the rest of the movie and hide their origins. Everything else is fine though, with passable black levels and awesome detail.

Tier 2.0*
post #19454 of 21409
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Originally Posted by patrick99 View Post

I'm afraid I can't agree with you on this one, lgans. To my eyes, this was the typical mediocre Warner PQ that is so sadly familiar.
Tier 2.75*

Sherlock Holmes - Game of Shadows


I'm going more in this direction. Oppressive lack of color and middling medium shots are a disappointment. Black levels can be startlingly bad too. There's still enough detail to be worthwhile, but it's lost in a sea of problems.

Tier 2.5*
post #19455 of 21409
Rushmore

recommendation: Tier 1.0

"When one man, for whatever reason, has the opportunity to lead an extraordinary life, he has no right to keep it to himself."

Criterion has given Wes Anderson's Rushmore a gorgeous transfer that looks as good as any 2K scan I've seen on the format. It is amazing how good the BD looks with luscious black levels and one of the purest color timings a film transfer can receive, given the revisionist approach in Hollywood today. From the first frame it's readily apparent that Criterion went above and beyond the call of duty, manually removing thousands of dirt specks and other flaws from the film source as the included booklet explains.

The compression encode produces a new standard in transparency, replicating the film to perfection without error. It should as the parameters nearly max out the format's capacity, averaging 35.00 Mbps on the AVC video encode. Most encodes start breaking down visually if you inspect them at distances of less than two feet, but in this case the image continues to impress with razor-sharp clarity and an impressive level of high-frequency detail.

Rushmore is currently nominated for the middle of Tier 0 and I really wanted to agree with that score. In spirit I do but unfortunately a trace amount of edge enhancement is visible throughout the movie. The halos are not egregious but their presence can definitely be seen by sharp eyes. So that is why I have to lower my personal assessment of the picture quality down to Tier 1.0. Though I am tight with the fellow whom makes the ultimate decision for these matters and I expect the final placement for Rushmore to remain in Tier 0.wink.gif

BDInfo scan (courtesy of Cinema Squid):

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1155731/new-unofficial-blu-ray-audio-and-video-specifications-thread/3630#post_21251743
Edited by Phantom Stranger - 6/21/12 at 7:14pm
post #19456 of 21409
Mac & Devin Go to High School

Hoo boy. A mess of over exposed elements, wacky flesh tones, noise, poorly resolved simulated grain, aliasing all over the place, and a softly animated talking joint. Yeah, it happens. Color is heavy and some close-ups will work their HD magic, but it's mostly bottom of the barrel visual material and made on the super cheap.

Tier 3.75*
post #19457 of 21409
Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows

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Originally Posted by lgans316 View Post

Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows


Looks nice and better than it's prequel. Ultra thin layer of grain visible but some shots looks a bit filtered. Contrast is strong. Well defined close up shots. Colors are a bit saturated than its prequel but confines to the period look. Black levels are a bit weak on some scenes. Very good PQ overall.

Recommendation: Tier 2.0

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Originally Posted by patrick99 View Post

I'm afraid I can't agree with you on this one, lgans. To my eyes, this was the typical mediocre Warner PQ that is so sadly familiar.
Tier 2.75*

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Originally Posted by Gamereviewgod View Post


Sherlock Holmes - Game of Shadows

I'm going more in this direction. Oppressive lack of color and middling medium shots are a disappointment. Black levels can be startlingly bad too. There's still enough detail to be worthwhile, but it's lost in a sea of problems.
Tier 2.5*

I'm siding with patrick and GRG on this one. The color scheme was so undesirable (as GRG intimated) and I found a good portion of the title to be quite soft. Yes, close up shots were exemplary in many instances (especially facial details), but there were not enough to tip the scales for me and cause me to go any higher than 2.5. I should mention that black levels could be brilliant, but again inconsistency reigned resulting in some rather murky shots. I could go with either 2.5 or 2.75, but with a keen fear of losing my "generous rating status," I feel constrained to assign it to...

Tier Recommendation: 2.5*

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post #19458 of 21409
Hoosiers: 25th Anniversary Edition

Funny that Fox re-releases this one, changes the codec, but doesn't do a thing to the master. Even the change in codec doesn't do much honestly, the film still overly compressed and muddy., Fine detail is at a premium. Edge enhancement remains, as does a rather high amount of damage. What a shame.

Tier 3.25*
post #19459 of 21409
John Carter

My how the *experts* raved about the PQ of this Disney Blockbuster....I wonder if I saw the same encode as they did?! Do NOT take that as a definite slam against the PQ; I just didn't find it to be "reference quality," though I might still put it on my "demo worthy" shelf.

To be sure there were some stellar scenes with warm and vibrant colors, superb facial details, deep and inky blacks with exquisite shadow details, and amazing depth. But there were also scenes with hot contrast (daytime shots) resulting in a washed out look (this occurred far too often, IMO) and details were lacking at times. Flesh tones also suffered, especially in the first half. Blacks also faltered occasionally, though they too picked up towards the end (the last nighttime scene during the wedding was absolutely phenomenal). And lastly, there were numerous bouts of softness, usually during scenes with heavy CGI.

Even after years of judging and reviewing Blu-rays, I still find it hard to judge a title that has the inconsistency that characterizes this movie. Some scenes had the WOW factor and easily fell into Tier 0 or 1; others were only average or a wee bit better. I'm going to split the difference right down the middle and give it a...

Tier Recommendation: 1.75*

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post #19460 of 21409
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

John Carter
My how the *experts* raved about the PQ of this Disney Blockbuster....I wonder if I saw the same encode as they did?! Do NOT take that as a definite slam against the PQ; I just didn't find it to be "reference quality," though I might still put it on my "demo worthy" shelf.
To be sure there were some stellar scenes with warm and vibrant colors, superb facial details, deep and inky blacks with exquisite shadow details, and amazing depth. But there were also scenes with hot contrast (daytime shots) resulting in a washed out look (this occurred far too often, IMO) and details were lacking at times. Flesh tones also suffered, especially in the first half. Blacks also faltered occasionally, though they too picked up towards the end (the last nighttime scene during the wedding was absolutely phenomenal). And lastly, there were numerous bouts of softness, usually during scenes with heavy CGI.
Even after years of judging and reviewing Blu-rays, I still find it hard to judge a title that has the inconsistency that characterizes this movie. Some scenes had the WOW factor and easily fell into Tier 0 or 1; others were only average or a wee bit better. I'm going to split the difference right down the middle and give it a...
Tier Recommendation: 1.75*
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I pretty much agree, Denny, but you may not be surprised that my recommendation is just a bit lower.

Tier 2.0*
post #19461 of 21409
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Originally Posted by deltasun View Post

Agora


This is an French-imported region-B locked film from Warner. The transfer and presentation are solid. Contrast is beautifully strong, though it does get overcooked in a few scenes, causing sun-drenched stonework to lose some details. These are the exceptions, however.


Color is strikingly rich, particularly the red in robes. Facial details don't disappoint for the most part, yielding exquisite texture and details. There are some inconsistencies with faces, and so softness does creep in hear and there. Still, nothing to affect the rating too much.


Blacks are inky and crisp, with no signs of crush. Dimensionality is in full display, even in medium shots. One thing that does disappoint are the overhead, CGI shots of the city and certain landmarks. Seems these could have been done right as well, but are not.


Overall, a very worthwhile candidate to Tier Blu. I did not spy any foul play.

Tier Recommendation: 0* (just above I, Robot)

I absolutely loved this movie to the point of suffering through watching the DVD version. smile.gif I've been waiting for this to come to Blu-Ray for a couple years now. Does anyone know when the US (or at least non-region locked) version might come out?
post #19462 of 21409
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

John Carter
My how the *experts* raved about the PQ of this Disney Blockbuster....I wonder if I saw the same encode as they did?! Do NOT take that as a definite slam against the PQ; I just didn't find it to be "reference quality," though I might still put it on my "demo worthy" shelf.
To be sure there were some stellar scenes with warm and vibrant colors, superb facial details, deep and inky blacks with exquisite shadow details, and amazing depth. But there were also scenes with hot contrast (daytime shots) resulting in a washed out look (this occurred far too often, IMO) and details were lacking at times. Flesh tones also suffered, especially in the first half. Blacks also faltered occasionally, though they too picked up towards the end (the last nighttime scene during the wedding was absolutely phenomenal). And lastly, there were numerous bouts of softness, usually during scenes with heavy CGI.
Even after years of judging and reviewing Blu-rays, I still find it hard to judge a title that has the inconsistency that characterizes this movie. Some scenes had the WOW factor and easily fell into Tier 0 or 1; others were only average or a wee bit better. I'm going to split the difference right down the middle and give it a...
Tier Recommendation: 1.75*
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I agree with you. The picture was not as great as the reviews say, and it deserves 1.75 or 2.0. I could see someone going lower as well.
post #19463 of 21409
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I agree with you. The picture was not as great as the reviews say, and it deserves 1.75 or 2.0. I could see someone going lower as well.

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Originally Posted by patrick99 View Post

I pretty much agree, Denny, but you may not be surprised that my recommendation is just a bit lower.
Tier 2.0*

It wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if this ends up being placed at 2.0.
post #19464 of 21409
Before and After

Pasty, flat and uninspired. The master used is far outdated, and the compression isn't kind. Contrast feels held back.

Tier 3.5*
post #19465 of 21409
High School Of The Dead

recommendation: Tier 2.0*


An anime series originally produced in 2010, the 2-BD set looks decent despite an occasional banding problem. It's a minor shame, as the animation itself is quite flashy with fluid motion and a vivid color palette. If one overlooks the banding, High School Of The Dead would belong in Tier One somewhere. It's definitely a native high-definition production.
post #19466 of 21409
Holy Man

There is clearly some light filtering at work here, but so light it can't dampen all of the detail. Grain is reasonably resolved, colors are pure, and the detail continues to pour from the frame.

Tier 2.25*
post #19467 of 21409
Pink Floyd - The Story of Wish You Were Here

recommendation: 2.75*

Released just this week by Eagle Rock, the 59-minute documentary looks okay with no major problems. Mostly consisting of very recent interviews with the surviving band members, the digital HD shots look like what one would expect for intimate interviews set in well-lit music studios. Eschewing archival video footage from the period of the album's creation in 1975, photographic stills are mostly used in their place. The results look much better than the very rough concert footage that tend to fill out these types of documentaries. While the picture is not going to win any awards, it never pulls you out of the presentation or brings attention to itself for faults.
post #19468 of 21409
Wanderlust

Black levels drop this one down from a colorful, saturated beauty. Flesh tones turn orange, but it's a fair trade. Detail can be firm, but those black levels... This one is close, especially thanks to the photography, but those black levels...

Tier 2.75*
post #19469 of 21409
Act of Valor

For whatever reason I find myself reviewing Blu-rays at a very late hour, so I feel constrained to keep this short and then head for bed. In short, this was great-looking title, albeit inconsistent at times (due, no doubt, to the use of multiple cameras). For the most part it is quite sharp and detailed, especially facial close-ups which revealed every bit of grime, dirt, sweat-beads, stubble, etc. Blacks were impressive with equally satisfying shadow details, though at times noise reared its ugly head in night shots and blacks faltered. Flesh tones were spot on....contrast was strong...colors were okay. There were instances of banding, but they were "few and far between," and the only real anomaly that I noticed (except for the noise mentioned earlier).

I'm more than willing to place this on my demo shelf, though it may be placed at the bottom....

Tier Recommendation: 1.75*

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PS The audio ROCKED!!!
post #19470 of 21409
Project X

Cell phone video, handheld cam video, and high-end Sony work. It's everywhere. Detail never flourishes, at least not fully, and sharpness will go all over the place. Black levels are fine at least, and colors are fine. But, it's not a disc you can expect much out of overall by design.

Tier 3.0*
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