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post #19921 of 21407
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

I would agree with your first three picks and The Avengers. I haven't seen the others but I'm elated that they remastered Patton; I'll have to check that out.
I would add to the list:
Finding Nemo
Chariots of Fire
The Dark Knight Rises (this may not be the best movie, but it had exceptional PQ in the IMAX scenes and the audio rocked)


I thought that The Lorax was more impressive than nemo, from an overall wow factor cgi movie, but I like these choices.
post #19922 of 21407
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

I saw snippets of the first release and the DNR was horrendous. I'm not usually that sensitive to DNR post-processing, but it was so bad that George C. Scott's face looked like a wax museum figure. So, I'm assuming you can now see details (wrinkles, pores, etc.) in his face, right?
BTW, where did you buy your copy? I ask this because on Amazon some are warning people to make sure they are ordering the remastered version; it sounds like some sites may be calling it the remastered version when it's not.

I got it from Amazon. Thanks to the Patton thread here, I was able to pick out the right version to order, since both are for sale at Amazon, and it's easy to get the wrong one.

The right one has a Nov. 6, 2012 release date and has this cover:



The wrong one has a June 3, 2008 release date and has this cover:



Like I said, it's easy to order the wrong one if you're not aware of this. Yes, you do see good details. The beginning scene is really good.

Would've been nice, if they offered a swap, or upgrade to those of us who bought the older one! I remember one studio did that some time ago with another movie. I think it was Fifth Element? You just needed to send in your original disc (only), and they sent you the newer one back. All you paid was the postage to send your disc to them. Would be a nice gesture, and great PR!
post #19923 of 21407
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Originally Posted by WRX_Rocky View Post

Would've been nice, if they offered a swap, or upgrade to those of us who bought the older one! I remember one studio did that some time ago with another movie. I think it was Fifth Element? You just needed to send in your original disc (only), and they sent you the newer one back. All you paid was the postage to send your disc to them. Would be a nice gesture, and great PR!

I agree! Thankfully I never bought the first release of this title. If memory serves me, I did buy the first release of Gladiator and then the Remastered version and I believe it was a swap.
post #19924 of 21407
Was thinking of getting 'The Grey' on Blu ray cus I wasn't happy with the quality on the DVD version, any idea of the PQ and if its worth a look?
post #19925 of 21407
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Originally Posted by moviewatcher123 View Post

Was thinking of getting 'The Grey' on Blu ray cus I wasn't happy with the quality on the DVD version, any idea of the PQ and if its worth a look?

I'm not sure you'd be much happier with the Blu-ray, for the color palette is drab and there's a lot of heavy GRAIN throughout. Here's the review I wrote on it:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/858316/the-new-pq-tier-thread-for-blu-ray-discussion/19380#post_22039892
post #19926 of 21407
Chronicle

recommendation: Tier 2.25


This movie has actually received several scores and is currently ranked in Tier 2.5. A pleasing image that does nothing outstanding except for a small handful of moments in the great outdoors. The first-person perspective of the first act wobbles and shakes a little too much for my tastes, but only the doctored footage really looks terrible. A hint of ringing in some of the FX and a possible dose of DNR are noticeable in a few spots.
post #19927 of 21407
Men in Black 3

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Originally Posted by lgans316 View Post

Thanks Phantom. I hope the folks based in NY/NJ are alright.
Men in Black 3
A great looking disc that excels in color reproduction and sharpness. Contrast runs slightly hot but black level is mostly kept in check. The daylight scenes are well detailed with a nice sense of depth and 3D-pop. Having said that, some dark scenes prior to the time travel looks a bit flat and dull.
Recommendation: Tier 1.5

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Originally Posted by Gamereviewgod View Post

Men in Black 3
Wowzers. A stunner for sure with an instantly pleasing contrast, superior color, and sharpness that hits the top tiers and doesn't come down. No compression issues here, and the super limited grain structure is barely notable. This one survives on thick texture and consistent detail. The color is remarkable too. Shots of the carnival or the rocket launch are just brilliant.
Tier 0.25*

This was "a stunner for sure!!" I LOVED the colors, contrast, blacks, details, depth and inky blacks. If not for a few scenes early on this would have easily fallen into Tier Blu. I'm still tempted to drop this into the bottom of Tier 0, but I believe I'll split the difference between the two placements above and put it right here....

Tier Recommendation: 1.0*

PS The audio was superb!

Viewed from 7.5' using the equipment listed below....
post #19928 of 21407
The Bourne Legacy

Another very impressive viewing! I especially love the DETAILS...facial and otherwise. CONTRAST was also strong, with excellent BLACKS and dazzling WHITES. COLORS were also eye candy when primaries were on display. This had decent SHARPNESS, CLARITY and DEPTH from beginning to end. There may have been a few fleeting moments of softness, but they were so rare I shouldn't even mention them. One more thing...very FILM-LIKE with a nice layer of grain. I believe this is just as good as my previous review, so logic dictates I give it the same score....

Tier Recommendation: 1.0*

Well, it's TRIPLE FEATURE NIGHT, so I'm slipping in Lawless next!

Viewed from 7.5' using the equipment listed below....
post #19929 of 21407
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

Well, it's TRIPLE FEATURE NIGHT, so I'm slipping in Lawless next!
You are on a roll, keep it up. I would imagine three reviews in one day might be a record of some kind for the thread, if we discount the long laundry lists that some have posted.

Tosh.0: Deep V's

recommendation: Tier 1.75*

A staple on Comedy Central, the BD for Tosh.0 looks taken directly from the 1080i broadcast master. There are no surprises if you have watched it on cable in HD, Paramount has given the studio segments and whatever YouTube clips the show digs up, the best treatment possible. The Internet clips are rarely better than standard-definition video, but the pristine studio skits and interviews shot in digital HD partially make up for them.
post #19930 of 21407
Lawless

WOW!! I can't remember the last time I saw three demo-worthy Blus back-to-back, so this has been quite the night! Without resorting to hyperbole, I can honestly say that if I were to judge this title solely on the daytime, outdoor scenes, with the lush cinematography that was sharp as a tack and as detailed as I've ever seen, I would be nominating this for top honors in Tier Blu...right up there with The Thin Red Line. But there were some dark interior scenes, along with a few outdoor nighttime shots, that fell a wee bit flat with less-than-stellar blacks (though the majority of the nighttime scenes were amazing, with exquisite shadow details).

Like the last viewing, when the primary colors were on display they were a sight to behold. Facial details were either reference or demo throughout. Flesh tones were spot on. Need I go on? I think GRG used the word "pristine" in his review of this movie and I concur. Again, I'm really tempted to assign this to low Tier 0, but I'm getting more and more jaded as time goes on so I'm going to settle for....

Tier Recommendation: 1.0*

Viewed from 7.5' using the equipment listed below....
post #19931 of 21407
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

You are on a roll, keep it up. I would imagine three reviews in one day might be a record of some kind for the thread, if we discount the long laundry lists that some have posted.

Actually Phantom, I recall a couple of *marathons* where I viewed 4 or 5 titles in one day (with reviews). Like the old adage goes, "When the cat's away, the mice do play," which, being interpreted, means, "when my wife's away, I get to play (multiple Blu-rays)." She's visiting some of our daughters in the Twin Cities as I type, so I'm taking advantage. And this includes listening at reference levels too, which is quite the treat!
post #19932 of 21407
The Jazz Singer (1927)

For being 85 years old, the high points are spectacular. A lot of it is comprised of a lesser film stock, patching scenes in to complete the film. That's a shame, but at its peak, the great contrast, super gray scale, resolved grain, and more make this a winner from Warner. Maybe not for purposes here, but if you're a fan, this one scores.

Tier 4.5*
post #19933 of 21407
Brave

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Originally Posted by Gamereviewgod View Post

Brave
Pixar's latest won't win any of the super top tiers based on its darkness and general warmth due to candlelight, but it does have some superb properties. Red hair is stunning on Brave, and greens prove striking. Grass and hair looks incredibly sharp. Characters don't have the eye-popping texture to their skin, although their clothing is impressive.
Tier .75*

Well, it's look like I'm back to agreeing with GRG....I can't argue with anything he said. I will add that in a few of the darker scenes the bars on my Pioneer appeared to be a very dark gray compared to my bezel, so I was disappointed in those instances. Generally though the blacks were very good with some exceptional shadow details in some scenes. What had me scratching my head was why Pixar chose to give several of their characters a bit of texture and leave the majority with the smooth look. I want to add that if this were an audio thread I'd put this near the very top of Tier 0, but it's a PQ thread so I'm siding with GRG on his placement too...

Tier Recommendation: Tier 0* (closer to the bottom than the top)

Viewed from 7.5' using the equipment listed below....
post #19934 of 21407
Dredd

Super ugly mess of noise, over active color, banding, and more noise. Sure detail is high, but it can't compensate for the low quality, gritty look everywhere else. Black levels are on the low end, spiraling into blues and purple based on the color timing. Contrast can be intense and bleach the image in spots.

Tier 3.0*
post #19935 of 21407
The Possession

recommendation: Tier 1.5*

Lionsgate's newest horror movie acquits itself very nicely for picture quality, if one can overlook some harsh ringing in select scenes. While it has a touch more color than many other modern horror films, it still favors a limited palette. The nearly perfect clarity helps reveal a high level of actual detail in close-ups.
post #19936 of 21407
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

The Possession

recommendation: Tier 1.5*

Lionsgate's newest horror movie acquits itself very nicely for picture quality, if one can overlook some harsh ringing in select scenes. While it has a touch more color than many other modern horror films, it still favors a limited palette. The nearly perfect clarity helps reveal a high level of actual detail in close-ups.

How was the movie? I'm a sucker for this genre, but I've been disappointed (too) many times.
post #19937 of 21407
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The Possession

recommendation: Tier 1.5*

Lionsgate's newest horror movie acquits itself very nicely for picture quality, if one can overlook some harsh ringing in select scenes. While it has a touch more color than many other modern horror films, it still favors a limited palette. The nearly perfect clarity helps reveal a high level of actual detail in close-ups.

How was the movie? I'm a sucker for this genre, but I've been disappointed (too) many times.
You might have missed my complete review of the movie, which is only a click away.wink.gif Genre fans will definitely find it worth giving the movie a chance, it takes the basic concept of The Exorcist but substitutes Judaism for Catholicism. The only other caveat is that like all other PG-13 horror films released today, the intended target audience is clearly teenage girls. But it's a very polished Hollywood production that is a cut above the standard tripe of today.
post #19938 of 21407
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

You might have missed my complete review of the movie, which is only a click away.wink.gif Genre fans will definitely find it worth giving the movie a chance, it takes the basic concept of The Exorcist but substitutes Judaism for Catholicism. The only other caveat is that like all other PG-13 horror films released today, the intended target audience is clearly teenage girls. But it's a very polished Hollywood production that is a cut above the standard tripe of today.

I read the whole review Phantom and I'll definitely be giving this one a rent!
post #19939 of 21407
I allow myself to re post here this question :

I'm doing scans for reviews I post on French forums, but convert myself the average video bitrate from kbps to Mbps. However, I have a doubt right now : should I divide the xx kbps by 1000 or 1024 to get the xx Mpbs bitrate ? I'm used to divide by 1024, but am suddenly not sure anymore.
post #19940 of 21407
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

I hope to watch this either tonight or on Friday. I'll be satisfied if this is "demo-worthy" (i.e. Tier 1) and has the excellent overall audio quality that I've been reading about.

I would have to disagree on this one. As said by GRG, the 35mm are shockingly soft, with the cinematography giving crushed blacks absorbing the details.
As for the sound, the design is such that the sub is over-used, completely ruining any balance in the mix, and forcing me to reduce my LFE in order not to be annoyed by all this rumble. It is over agressive, and overall messy, in opposition of a very agressive but impressive track as Tron Legacy.
post #19941 of 21407
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Originally Posted by tenia54 View Post

I would have to disagree on this one. As said by GRG, the 35mm are shockingly soft, with the cinematography giving crushed blacks absorbing the details.
As for the sound, the design is such that the sub is over-used, completely ruining any balance in the mix, and forcing me to reduce my LFE in order not to be annoyed by all this rumble. It is over agressive, and overall messy, in opposition of a very agressive but impressive track as Tron Legacy.

We'll have to "agree to disagree," for not all the 35mm footage was soft (in fact, the majority was quite good) and on my system the audio was very impressive, including the LFE.
post #19942 of 21407
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Originally Posted by Gamereviewgod View Post

Looper

Slightly out of focus at times, but always clean, bright, and easy to watch. Detail can soar, and definition is crisp. Color palette is a bit dry for a high ranking, although a handful of hues will bring this one out significantly.

Tier 1.75*
Looper

recommendation: Tier 1.75*


Sony has given Looper a largely unprocessed transfer that doesn't appear to have been heavily tinkered with in post-production, though I do feel it has somewhat middling cinematography for a big-time, new release starring Bruce Willis. The transfer is largely cinematic and I agree with Gamereviewgod's points, but I still feel I am being generous with its placement in Tier One.
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

Amazon has the new Remastered Patton at an amazingly low price. I ordered it thru Amazon Prime and it will be here Monday.
I finally ordered this new version, so I can see for myself the improvement from the prior edition.
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Originally Posted by tenia54 View Post

I allow myself to re post here this question :

I'm doing scans for reviews I post on French forums, but convert myself the average video bitrate from kbps to Mbps. However, I have a doubt right now : should I divide the xx kbps by 1000 or 1024 to get the xx Mpbs bitrate ? I'm used to divide by 1024, but am suddenly not sure anymore.
I believe you divide by 1024 to get the correct rate. Contacting forum member CinemaSquid directly would probably get you the surest answer.
post #19943 of 21407
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

I believe you divide by 1024 to get the correct rate. Contacting forum member CinemaSquid directly would probably get you the surest answer.

Bit and bytes are definitely confusing issues, but conveniently for bits they are supposed be treated to normal metric rules - i.e. 1 megabit / Mbps = 1,000 kilobits / kbps = 1,000,000 bits / bps.

Way easier on the brain since you can just slide the decimal point around when comparing Mbps and kbps.
post #19944 of 21407
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Originally Posted by Cinema Squid View Post

Bit and bytes are definitely confusing issues, but conveniently for bits they are supposed be treated to normal metric rules - i.e. 1 megabit / Mbps = 1,000 kilobits / kbps = 1,000,000 bits / bps.

Way easier on the brain since you can just slide the decimal point around when comparing Mbps and kbps.

This is not true of most professionals, who observe the decimal and binary power distinction, and almost always use the binary values.
post #19945 of 21407
Nomenclature is a problem here. 1 Kbit is 1024 bits, so 1000 bits is not 1 kbit.
post #19946 of 21407
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Originally Posted by jrnewquist View Post

This is not true of most professionals, who observe the decimal and binary power distinction, and almost always use the binary values.

I think I probably confused the issue by choosing my words poorly, since you are correct and bits for storage and capacity measurement do typically use binary power. For bit *rate*, however, it is traditional in telecommunications to use decimal power for specifying transmission speeds and bandwidth in bits per second, so:

1 Mbps = 1,000 kbps = 1,000,000 bps

I was under the impression that this also holds for media encoding bit rate measurements, but I could be wrong. Apologies for the derail...
post #19947 of 21407
Gamera the Brave

Older, softer master that does not impress even with splashes of detail. Definition isn't there, and IRE levels are off as is common with Japanese imports. Still, some winning moments and the warmer color palette makes the visuals inviting with or without the detail.

Tier 2.75*
post #19948 of 21407
Thank you all for your answers for bitrate calculation !smile.gif
post #19949 of 21407
In Time

recommendation: Tier 0 (around Real Steel)


If In Time doesn't qualify for the top tier, few films should ever qualify for it. A beautiful transfer that is totally free of filtering or sharpening, the crystal-clear picture quality is impeccable. I could run through the check list of areas where the video can fail on Blu-ray, but this disc passes every test with perfect color rendition and stunning photography. The consistently excellent depth graces the image with pop and clarity, producing one of the best-looking releases I've seen in a while. There are simply no criticisms that can be seriously leveled against this Blu-ray's picture quality from Fox. Now the movie itself, that might be a different matter...
post #19950 of 21407
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

In Time

recommendation: Tier 0 (around Real Steel)


If In Time doesn't qualify for the top tier, few films should ever qualify for it. A beautiful transfer that is totally free of filtering or sharpening, the crystal-clear picture quality is impeccable. I could run through the check list of areas where the video can fail on Blu-ray, but this disc passes every test with perfect color rendition and stunning photography. The consistently excellent depth graces the image with pop and clarity, producing one of the best-looking releases I've seen in a while. There are simply no criticisms that can be seriously leveled against this Blu-ray's picture quality from Fox. Now the movie itself, that might be a different matter...

I know I've seen this and reviewed it (back when it first came out), so your review prompted me to do a Search to see what my impressions were. But the Search came up empty (as at other times). Your glowing praise has me wanting to rent it again, though I do remember the movie itself was, as you intimated, less-than-stellar, so perhaps I'll pass. Any ideas as to why nothing came up on the Search?
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