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post #20221 of 21407
Sorry, "Tell Tale", loosely based on Poe's Tell Tale Heart. I chose the wrong two out of three words. Sorry.
post #20222 of 21407
Zero Dark Thirty

Another striking Blu-ray!

Sony has done it again with a real stunner of a film featuring amazing DETAILS, DEPTH, and CLARITY. Facal details were the real highlight with dozens of close-ups, with a few of them being as close as a cameraman can get. Flest tones were accurate, contrast was perfect, colors were pleasing (though somewhat bland at times), blacks were nice and inky, and shadow details were finely rendered (except for some of the shots in the long, closing scene with the raid on Osama Bin Laden's compound).

If not for the muted colors in a variety of scenes and the less-than-stellar shots during the raid (seen through nightvision goggles), I would have nominated this for the bottom of Tier 0, but my conscience dictates dropping it a notch to....

Tier Recommendation: 1.0*

PS The raid scene, starting with the helicopter flight from Afghanastan to Pakistan, had phenomenal audio; a real workout for one's sub!

Viewed from 7.5' using the equipment listed below....
post #20223 of 21407
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Originally Posted by Gamereviewgod View Post

Lawless

Pristine digital doesn't necessarily fit the time period but it looks great on Blu. Very sharp, with excellent facial detail, nice color focus, and superb landscapes. Black levels are perfect. A bit of noise, aliasing, and flicker aside, this is one is a looker.

Tier 1.75*
Lawless

recommendation: Tier 1.75


I was a little disappointed with the picture quality. The video does have some excellent attributes and it is a razor-sharp experience, but I also noticed some of the noise and aliasing too frequently. While black levels are perfect, I thought shadow delineation could have been more refined.
post #20224 of 21407
Hobbit: Unexpected Journey

Stunning visuals marred by... nothing really. Stupendous color given a bit of a warm bath, sharpness off the charts, definition soars, and resolution is remarkable. The only thing missing is consistent facial detail and some early instances of black levels fading out.

Tier .5


Gorgo

From VCI come this MPEG-2 (!) encode of a notoriously shaky source. Lots of stock footage, jumps in film stock, super early blue screens, black crush, unnaturally bright color, and jumpy mattes that are more obvious with the resolution. Compression exists over grain, but in reality, this is the best it has ever looked.

Tier 4.0*
post #20225 of 21407
djo, how would you compare the helicopters in 0 dark 30 to Black Hawk Down's F'in Irene scene?
post #20226 of 21407
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djo, how would you compare the helicopters in 0 dark 30 to Black Hawk Down's F'in Irene scene?

It's been a very long time since I've watched Black Hawk Down (before I purchased my SVS sub), so I'll have to check it out soon. I'll get back to you on this, but methinks it will be comparable to the scene you referred to. The raid scene not only excels with the helicopter sounds, but it also has multiple explosions.
post #20227 of 21407
Tekkonkinkreet

recommendation: Tier 1.75


Tekkonkinkreet has long been ranked in Tier 1.0, though only recently did I get a chance to watch it myself. First off, it has to be one of the older Blu-rays listed in the Picture Quality Tiers. It first was released by Sony back in 2007, though it appears to have received one of the earliest AVC video encodes on a BD-50. Tekkonkinkreet is theatrical animation done in an anime style, from the man behind The Animatrix. The beautifully-detailed backgrounds, bursting with design and complex patterns, are set off by some of the ugliest and simplistic character designs I've seen in animation. It's an incongruity that I personally could not get over and the principle reason why my ranking is at the bottom of Tier One. Tekkonkinkreet also has a somewhat restrained color palette, which does not help its demo potential. There is little to fault the straight digital transfer from the original animation files, though a touch of aliasing creeps into the frame on occasion.

One unusual thing about this film is that it has been animated in a scope aspect ratio at 2:35:1.

BDInfo scan:

http://www.cinemasquid.com/blu-ray/movies/releases/tekkonkinkreet/4bb020f7-af22-4bea-9fe3-8f996dbafd0b#specs
post #20228 of 21407
The Wicker Tree

recommendation: Tier 2.0*


The Wicker Tree has primarily been shot with the Red One camera, so its picture quality is perfectly fine for a 2012 release with no significant problems. The digital cinematography does not possess a huge amount of depth or dimension to the image. Focus and contrast are quite steady, though black levels are not the best. I think the subject matter, an unconnected sequel to The Wicker Man, may have been better served if shot on film. A few secondary shots appear to have used inferior cameras and there is a concomitant loss in overall resolution and clarity.

BDInfo scan:

http://www.cinemasquid.com/blu-ray/movies/releases/the-wicker-tree/d2f1f49c-bf68-4ab1-93b3-31f76a588b09#specs
post #20229 of 21407
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Originally Posted by Gamereviewgod View Post

Hobbit: Unexpected Journey

Stunning visuals marred by... nothing really. Stupendous color given a bit of a warm bath, sharpness off the charts, definition soars, and resolution is remarkable. The only thing missing is consistent facial detail and some early instances of black levels fading out.

Tier .5

To my eyes, the bolded comments were not applicable to most of the movie. However, I watched the 2D version. Perhaps 3D would be different. In any event, I didn't think we were reviewing 3D versions in this thread. Am I wrong about that?

Tier recommendation: Tier 1.5*
post #20230 of 21407
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Originally Posted by patrick99 View Post

To my eyes, the bolded comments were not applicable to most of the movie. However, I watched the 2D version. Perhaps 3D would be different. In any event, I didn't think we were reviewing 3D versions in this thread. Am I wrong about that?

Tier recommendation: Tier 1.5*
No, only the normal 2-D version of movies are applicable to the PQ Tiers. Though in some cases, the 2-D version found on the 3-D edition will be a different video encode from the one found on barebones version. There have been cases popping up where the studio included much higher compression parameters for the 2-D edition included with the 3-D set.
post #20231 of 21407
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Originally Posted by patrick99 View Post

To my eyes, the bolded comments were not applicable to most of the movie. However, I watched the 2D version. Perhaps 3D would be different. In any event, I didn't think we were reviewing 3D versions in this thread. Am I wrong about that?

Tier recommendation: Tier 1.5*

I scanned through the first hour or so of the 2d version (watched the 3d version in its entirety the night before) and there were some soft parts to my eyes. Looked great in general, but a bit soft at times and facial detail not always the best. This is one movie that looks and works better in 3d IMO after checking out both.
post #20232 of 21407
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

I scanned through the first hour or so of the 2d version (watched the 3d version in its entirety the night before) and there were some soft parts to my eyes. Looked great in general, but a bit soft at times and facial detail not always the best. This is one movie that looks and works better in 3d IMO after checking out both.

Toe...are you implying the 3D version didn't have soft shots and that facial details were better? If so, how can that be? How would 3D add sharpness and details to a film (I thought it strictly added the obvious DEPTH)?
post #20233 of 21407
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

Toe...are you implying the 3D version didn't have soft shots and that facial details were better? If so, how can that be? How would 3D add sharpness and details to a film (I thought it strictly added the obvious DEPTH)?

Sorry djoberg, I should have been more clear with that passing comment. There was no difference as far as the softness and facial detail between the two versions, but you could tell a lot of thought and care went into how things were shot considering it being shot in 3d and it shows when comparing the two versions IMO. Some films I dont have a preference one way or the other as far as 2d/3d and some films look and work better one way or the other and The Hobbit is one film IMO that clearly is more impressive in 3d as the added depth/ dimensionality really help pull you into the film and truly feels like the way the film is meant to be seen (which it is going off director intent). This is obviously a subjective comment/observation though and some might not agree obviously.
post #20234 of 21407
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Sorry djoberg, I should have been more clear with that passing comment. There was no difference as far as the softness and facial detail between the two versions, but you could tell a lot of thought and care went into how things were shot considering it being shot in 3d and it shows when comparing the two versions IMO. Some films I dont have a preference one way or the other as far as 2d/3d and some films look and work better one way or the other and The Hobbit is one film IMO that clearly is more impressive in 3d as the added depth/ dimensionality really help pull you into the film and truly feels like the way the film is meant to be seen (which it is going off director intent). This is obviously a subjective comment/observation though and some might not agree obviously.

Thanks for the clarification Toe; that makes a lot of sense.
post #20235 of 21407
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey

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Originally Posted by Gamereviewgod View Post

Hobbit: Unexpected Journey

Stunning visuals marred by... nothing really. Stupendous color given a bit of a warm bath, sharpness off the charts, definition soars, and resolution is remarkable. The only thing missing is consistent facial detail and some early instances of black levels fading out.

Tier .5

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Originally Posted by patrick99 View Post

To my eyes, the bolded comments were not applicable to most of the movie. However, I watched the 2D version. Perhaps 3D would be different. In any event, I didn't think we were reviewing 3D versions in this thread. Am I wrong about that?

Tier recommendation: Tier 1.5*

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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

I scanned through the first hour or so of the 2d version (watched the 3d version in its entirety the night before) and there were some soft parts to my eyes. Looked great in general, but a bit soft at times and facial detail not always the best. This is one movie that looks and works better in 3d IMO after checking out both.

I am most definitely siding with GRG on this one....with the exception of some inconsistent facial details and a few soft shots (in the opening scene inside the Hobbit home), this is EYE CANDY worthy of a Tier Blu status.

When I mentioned "inconsistent facial details," I'm referring especially to Bilbo Baggins who had very little texture and defining marks in his face. The majority of actors' faces (Gandalf and the Dwarfs and others) were well-defined, revealing every mole and wrinkle, and the hair on their heads was remarkable. Details throughout the mountains, forests, caves, etc. were exceptional. Sharpness abounded in every scene after they left Bilbo Baggins' home. Colors were very pleasing to behold. Contrast was super strong. Blacks were amazing with razor-sharp shadow details in numerous shots. I kept thinking of how much greater this looked than any of the three installments in The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

The only area I would disagree with GRG would be the exact placement within Tier 0; I would drop it down from .5 to about the .66 mark, right about here....

Tier Recommendation: Tier 0* (right above Braveheart)

Viewd from 7.5' using the equipment listed below...
post #20236 of 21407
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

Zero Dark Thirty

Another striking Blu-ray!

Sony has done it again with a real stunner of a film featuring amazing DETAILS, DEPTH, and CLARITY. Facal details were the real highlight with dozens of close-ups, with a few of them being as close as a cameraman can get. Flest tones were accurate, contrast was perfect, colors were pleasing (though somewhat bland at times), blacks were nice and inky, and shadow details were finely rendered (except for some of the shots in the long, closing scene with the raid on Osama Bin Laden's compound).

If not for the muted colors in a variety of scenes and the less-than-stellar shots during the raid (seen through nightvision goggles), I would have nominated this for the bottom of Tier 0, but my conscience dictates dropping it a notch to....

Tier Recommendation: 1.0*
Anyone interested in how Zero Dark Thirty was shot and handled in post-production should read the following article:

http://www.definitionmagazine.com/journal/2013/3/15/dark-forces-the-story-of-shooting-zero-dark-thirty.html

It explains why they used the Arri Alexa Plus digital camera and the DP on the film is pretty candid in his comments. Sony was pressuring them to use a RED camera, which is of course a Sony product.

“I wanted to make sure that my lab was close and that where the digital lab comes in to it – they earned their money in a big way. When you got back to the hotel at the end of the day you can sit down with a colourist, verify the footage and say ‘Hey we were in the sun today and I’m not really comfortable because the actresses’ white blouse was in the sun.’ Meanwhile we would have shadow detail and I wasn’t really sure that I’d got it and kept the highlights.”
post #20237 of 21407
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

It explains why they used the Arri Alexa Plus digital camera and the DP on the film is pretty candid in his comments. Sony was pressuring them to use a RED camera, which is of course a Sony product.
The Red camera has nothing to do with Sony actually, it's made by the Red company. They were talking about the Sony F65, which is Sony's newfangled 4K camera.... which should also produce some pretty spectacular footage once movies shot on it start coming out, given that it produces full-res 4K from an 8K sensor. I believe the Evil Dead reboot will be the first movie shot with it in theaters.
post #20238 of 21407
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

It explains why they used the Arri Alexa Plus digital camera and the DP on the film is pretty candid in his comments. Sony was pressuring them to use a RED camera, which is of course a Sony product.
The Red camera has nothing to do with Sony actually, it's made by the Red company. They were talking about the Sony F65, which is Sony's newfangled 4K camera.... which should also produce some pretty spectacular footage once movies shot on it start coming out, given that it produces full-res 4K from an 8K sensor. I believe the Evil Dead reboot will be the first movie shot with it in theaters.
I guess I automatically assumed Sony had a stake in RED cameras, since I remember them hyping its use at one point in the past. That F65 sounds like it should eventually produce several new, top-tier Blu-rays.
post #20239 of 21407
Veep: The Complete First Season

recommendation: Tier 1.5*


This doesn't officially get released until tomorrow, but HBO continues their streak of releases with excellent A/V quality. Veep's video does not aspire to be much more than a brightly-lit sitcom, but aside from possible tweaks to smooth out star Julia Louis-Dreyfus' face, has a crisp presentation free of notable problems.
post #20240 of 21407
Prep & Landing / Prep & Landing: Naughty & Nice

recommendation: Tier 1.25*

Disney put out these two animated Christmas specials on one disc, a BD-50. Both are short programs meant to fit a 30-minute television slot, so the AVC video encode is given especially high standards for a Disney-authored Blu-ray. A flawless digital transfer from a technical perspective, the CGI does not possess the vitality of better theatrical CGI. Character models show less realistic detail upon close observation, aside from a few splashy items like Santa's thick beard. My placement might be lower than some others for CGI of this quality, but there was a surprising lack of flashy colors in the image.
post #20241 of 21407
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

Zero Dark Thirty

Another striking Blu-ray!

Sony has done it again with a real stunner of a film featuring amazing DETAILS, DEPTH, and CLARITY. Facal details were the real highlight with dozens of close-ups, with a few of them being as close as a cameraman can get. Flest tones were accurate, contrast was perfect, colors were pleasing (though somewhat bland at times), blacks were nice and inky, and shadow details were finely rendered (except for some of the shots in the long, closing scene with the raid on Osama Bin Laden's compound).

If not for the muted colors in a variety of scenes and the less-than-stellar shots during the raid (seen through nightvision goggles), I would have nominated this for the bottom of Tier 0, but my conscience dictates dropping it a notch to....

Tier Recommendation: 1.0*

What he said.

Tier 1.0*
post #20242 of 21407
I can hardly believe no one has offered a review yet of Lincoln. I'll be watching it tonight and I'm looking forward to both the movie (the historical account and the acting of Daniel Day Lewis) and the PQ. I've read enough reviews already to know it's going to be a *dark* movie, but everyone has been singing the praises of the black levels and shadow details so I'm anticipating a good viewing on my KURO (KURO means "BLACK"smile.gif).
post #20243 of 21407
I'll await your thoughts, DJ :-)

In the meantime, Happy Easter all, have a good one,

Russ
post #20244 of 21407
Lincoln

The BLACK LEVELS lived up to all the hype....the SHADOW DETAILS were simply amazing (check out a scene around the 1 Hr. 43 Min. mark where Lincoln visits a Representative in his carriage....unbelieveable clarity and details for a nighttime scene!)....FACIAL DETAILS up close delivered big time....DETAILS in general, especially in clothing and in the few outdoor, daytime scenes featuring foliage, were demo-worthy, to be sure....DEPTH could be astounding at times....and COLORS, when primaries manifested themselves, were warm and natural.

But not all was worthy of praise, for there were quite a few scenes where softness crept in (most notably in the many indoor scenes with low lighting and smoke). Add to this a lack of detail in midrange shots, some washed out flesh tones in several scenes, a few faces lacking detail (Sally Field is a case in point), and a very drab color palette with the exception of the primaries mentioned above (they were "few and far between").

Again, black levels and shadow details rose to the occasion and caused me to hit the Pause Button more than a few times, but they weren't enough to elevate this film to the coveted "reference" tier. But don't think for a minute that I wouldn't use this for "demo material," for I could envision me playing the scene alluded to above to show my friends just how clear and detailed a nighttime scene can be.

It will be interesting to see what others have to say about this, but for my first viewing I wasn't as impressed as I thought I might be (rave reviews had me hoping for a Tier Blu contender), yet I'm still more than willing to assign this to Tier Gold. My gut says it should go right here....

Tier Recommendation: 1.5*

Viewed from 7.5' using the equipment listed below....
post #20245 of 21407
^^^ I have to agree that the black levels lived up to all the hype, unfortunately the screen play, which was drawn out and a bit laborious at times, didn't.



Ian
post #20246 of 21407
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

^^^ I have to agree that the black levels lived up to all the hype, unfortunately the screen play, which was drawn out and a bit laborious at times, didn't.



Ian

I agree! In fact, I'm experiencing "buyer's remorse" at the moment. My wife didn't last 30 minutes...as she walked out of the room she exclaimed, "BORING!"

Edit: After "sleeping on it," I do want to say that Daniel Day-Lewis's portrayal of Lincoln was the biggest redeeming feature of this film. I especially loved watching him "tell stories" (which Lincoln was famous for). Tommy Lee Jones also put in a very good performance and added some humor to the otherwise sober and boring (to use my wife's description) storyline. Sally Field and others were so-so.
Edited by djoberg - 3/30/13 at 10:15am
post #20247 of 21407
Batman: Mystery of the Batwoman

recommendation: Tier 2.25*


Warner Bros. sat on this release for almost two years, as the disc was authored back in 2011 and had already seen a release in Mexico. Mystery of the Batwoman is one of their older direct-to-video animated features, both produced and initially hitting DVD in 2003. Their animation department was forward thinking and the animation was natively produced in HD, which receives an adequate presentation on this BD-25. There does appear to be a few deficiencies in the raw animation, it gets quite sloppy at times compared to more recent examples created using the digital ink and paint process. Aside from that problem and mundane art design, the perfect black levels help the animation pop off the screen. A minor amount of banding is apparent in some of the backgrounds, though it is hard to tell if that is due to the low-bitrate AVC compression or endemic to the original animation.

I might have been unduly harsh on this movie, considering this is about as low as I have previously ranked a Blu-ray from WB Animation in the tiers. A lack of polish and some questionable shots that look almost SD in origin, dragged it down into the second tier.


Have a happy Easter!
post #20248 of 21407
Hi Guys,

Here are some lazy recommendations after a long hiatus. redface.gif

Battleship - Tier 1.25

Dumb flick but I really liked it. biggrin.gif

Taken 2 - Tier 2

Disappointing but yet entertaining sequel.

Pulp Fiction - Tier 2.75

Been ages since I last watched this. Samuel Jackson at his best. cool.gif Reason for the low rating is a due to some EE and Noise reduction which made the skin tones look a bit soft and the edges oversharp.

Les Miserables - Tier 2

Strong acting and couple of emotional scenes. Thanking God for blessing me with loads of patience. Doubt if I will ever watch this again.

Zero Dark Thirty- Tier 1.75

I was tempted to lower my ranking but this was slightly better than Les Miserables which looked a bit soft.

Skyfall - Tier 0 above Avatar

Looks stunning and razor sharp. Everything was rock solid . eek.gif Damn good movie but you might not still not get that old Bond feeling but hats off to Sam Mendes for mixing emotional elements and some raw old school type action.

The Grey - Tier 1.75

Interesting film but could have featured a different ending.

Total Recall (2012) - Tier 1.75

Another dumb non-stop action flick. Been a long time since watching a movie filled with so much action. Lower rating due to many indoor scenes looking a touch too soft.

Amazing Spiderman - Tier 1.25

Unnecessary reboot but nice time pass. Damn good picture quality.

Lawless (UK) - Tier 2.25
Edited by lgans316 - 3/31/13 at 4:36pm
post #20249 of 21407
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Hi Guys,

Here are some lazy recommendations after a long hiatus. redface.gif
Lazy recommendations are always welcome here.tongue.gif If you haven't been keeping up on a daily basis, I also ask that people now enter their PQ Tiers scores in the very easy entry form found in my signature or the following link:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1GEVDmUrTzHYNHBZpN_8mMZvCzmYEQiUJqCNyRQAadGU/viewform

It takes literally a few seconds for each placement. It's not mandatory for your scores to count, but will greatly help me manage the Tier data and smooth the accounting process.
Edited by Phantom Stranger - 3/31/13 at 4:37pm
post #20250 of 21407
I see. Will do the same as requested Phantom tomorrow.

Seldom see human beings with loads of patience like you. smile.gif
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