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post #20851 of 21406
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

Outside of Spielberg's films, Universal is not to be trusted with catalog releases.

To be fair to them, they did a pretty good job on Harvey and on half of their Monsters titles. smile.gif
post #20852 of 21406
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Originally Posted by tenia54 View Post

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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

Outside of Spielberg's films, Universal is not to be trusted with catalog releases.
To be fair to them, they did a pretty good job on Harvey and on half of their Monsters titles. smile.gif
As well as many, many other catalog releases. It's a rediculous claim that they cannot be trusted outside of Spielberg's films.
post #20853 of 21406
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Originally Posted by hungro View Post

Just a question , everyone remembers the debouchery that was Gladiator before cries from fans sent Paramount into doing a remaster, I am sure you all remember that day . Will or is there a thread that mentions how bad of a transfer Meet the Fockers is. DNR, EE, Aliasing, Noisy, Shimmering and so on. It is terrible, I am just curious if there has been a hallabaloo about this bluray disk which in my opinion is begging for a better transfer I know it's a much older movie, but it's a shame studio's are putting out this type of quality. While I am at it, lol, we should so the studios lobby never use teal and blue , just getting tired of that color combo in movies, come on. Really, that's the best a colorist can do. Oh well, what do I know. Back to your regular sheduled bluray reviews smile.gif

If we're going to have a new transfer hullabaloo, it needs to be about Spartacus.
post #20854 of 21406

Redline (Anchor Bay/Manga)

 

​Anchor Bay and Manga Entertainment deliver the goods on this one! Inky blacks and sharp defined lines in this presentation look great in this fast and colorful movie. There's no aliasing, no banding, no anomalies to speak of what-so-ever with such fluid and fast motion occurring in almost every scene. The first 10 minutes is one of the best home theater demos with how crazy the visuals are in the film. 

This is clearly a direct to digital transfer with a high bitrate that represents the stunning visuals in the highest possible quality and for that, it really does deserve to be in the highest tier.


Tier Recommendation: 0

post #20855 of 21406
^^^^^^

Thanks for the good review foxamigo and welcome to AVS!
post #20856 of 21406
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Originally Posted by foxamigo View Post

Redline (Anchor Bay/Manga)

​Anchor Bay and Manga Entertainment deliver the goods on this one! Inky blacks and sharp defined lines in this presentation look great in this fast and colorful movie. There's no aliasing, no banding, no anomalies to speak of what-so-ever with such fluid and fast motion occurring in almost every scene. The first 10 minutes is one of the best home theater demos with how crazy the visuals are in the film. 


This is clearly a direct to digital transfer with a high bitrate that represents the stunning visuals in the highest possible quality and for that, it really does deserve to be in the highest tier.


Tier Recommendation: 0
I would concur, it's quite a spectacle on Blu-ray.

Violet & Daisy

recommendation: Tier 2.75*


Some unusual problems in the digital color grading mar this recent Blu-ray release, one of the last films featuring James Gandolfini. An abundance of yellow and orange hues overly affect the fleshtones, producing a very peculiar look at times. The high-contrast picture has appreciable levels of high-frequency detail but black levels near the point of crushing. That problem leads to less refined shadow delineation.

The video encode provided by Cinedigm has some slight problems, leading to incidental hints of chroma noise and posterization.
post #20857 of 21406
Paranoia

If you can put up with the rather disappointing plot/story-line and underwhelming acting (from some BIG NAME actors, mind you), you will at least be rewarded with some very pleasing EYE CANDY!

I'm going to keep this short. This one was SHARP from the opening scene to the rolling credits, with outstanding BLACK LEVELS & SHADOW DETAILS, spot-on FLESH TONES, warm & vibrant COLORS, appreciable DEPTH, and spectacular DETAILS. It also featured many gorgeous aerial views of the Big Apple and some lush scenery in the Hamptons. The only censure would be the "to-be-expected" orange and teal hues, but in reality they were quite minimal and did NOT affect details or flesh tones. If the facial details had been consistently good, I might have opted for low Tier 0, but they weren't reference quality and even veered into Tier 2 at times, so my vote goes for....

Tier Recommendation: 1.25*

Viewed from 7.5' using the equipment listed below....
post #20858 of 21406
Strangers on a Train

This 1.37:1 AR black & white BD looks pretty great most of the time. Film grain is tight and consistent, and the whole presentation enjoys a lovely filmic look. Fine detail is pretty good, mid-level detail is excellent. Certain close-ups show good facial detail, cloth texture almost always pops. The gradations in gray look quote lovely, with deep shadows and bright highlights. The only thing holding this back are some shots where softness creeps in, usually from a wipe or a dissolve (though there is one conspicuous sequence in a record store listening booth that is way soft for pretty much no discernible reason), There were a few instances of very light print damage, too (a vertical line through the frame on the initial train conversation). Outside of these flaws, this looks quite similar overall in quality to some of the better Twilight Zone episodes on BD (though TZ has greater fine detail). It is consistently quite a bit better than DVD. This is a pretty easy recommendation to any Hitchcock fan.

Tier Recommendation: 2.75
post #20859 of 21406
Winnie the Pooh: A Very Merry Pooh Year

recommendation: Tier 2.5*

Disney actually cobbled together two separate Winnie The Pooh programs to create this one, seamless feature. The first is an older Christmas episode intended for television from 1992 and animated using normal cel animation. It is presented in fine form if you disregard some incidental cel dust and debris that occasionally rears its head on the left edge of the 4:3 framing. The second part is a new special from 2002, animated using a now-antiquated Digital Ink and Paint process. The newer part has a slightly brighter color palette and cleaner lines, but also contains a noticeable amount of aliasing along the edges of each character.

Combined the main feature runs 63 minutes, encoded at excellent parameters in AVC. Disney did just about everything they could to bring these older, cheaper television specials to life on Blu-ray in 1080P. Any visual flaws are due to limitations in the original productions and not a result of rogue processing. The differences here with theatrical animation are the duller colors and occasional softness in shots when the camera digitally zooms in on the animation. This is a solid release that has its source material looking as good as it possibly could at 1080P.

Ta ta for now...
post #20860 of 21406
Elfen Lied: Complete Collection

recommendation: Tier 3.75*

This two-disc set collects the entire series. Elfen Lied was an anime program originally released back in 2004, before that industry had fully moved to producing native HD content. It is presented in 1080P resolution on BD but the animation was almost certainly created at a lower resolution. If I had to guess it was originally done at 540P or 720P, as the picture quality has several attributes that SD lacks when presented at 1080P.

I normally wouldn't rank an upscaled program this high but I believe animation upscales much more cleanly than regular content, leading to an image decent enough for the bottom of Tier Three. ADV Films has handled the video encode with care and technically the transfer is unhampered by erroneous processing.
post #20861 of 21406
To Catch A Thief

Consistently splendid. The best shots (especially facial close-ups and foliage) get into high tier 1 territory in terms of detail. The worst (a few soft scenes, helicopter shots, and process shots) dip into the 3's. But it's almost all good. Film grain is present throughout but is quite minimal. The colors are spectacular. Flowers and scarves leap off the screen. Rich browns and wood grains populate the set design. Clothing textures and colors feel touchable. There is a three dimensional quality that pervades most of the film, with depth of field, rich blacks and plenty of detail in shadows. All told, this is the best looking Hitchcock movie I've seen on the format, better than both North by Northwest and Vertigo.

Tier Recommendation: 1.75
post #20862 of 21406
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

I just returned home from the video store with three rentals. I'm wondering if anyone has seen any of these titles yet (as far as I know, they were not highly advertised movies). They are The Frozen Ground (with Nicolas Cage and John Cusack), The Place Beyond the Pines (with Ryan Gosling, Bradley Cooper and Ray Liotta), and Parkland (with Billy Bob Thornton, Paul Giamatti, Zac Efron and Marcia Gray Harden). They may not have been hailed as great by the masses, but in reading the short piece on the back of each Blu my interest was peaked.
I have seen The Place Beyond the Pines .I liked it, it has Eva Mendez and I am sold just there, she is hot. The story and acting is great. I haven't seen this on bluray, just a h264 blu rip on my computer. The other movies you mentioned I haven't seen.
post #20863 of 21406
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Originally Posted by hungro View Post

I have seen The Place Beyond the Pines .I liked it, it has Eva Mendez and I am sold just there, she is hot. The story and acting is great. I haven't seen this on bluray, just a h264 blu rip on my computer. The other movies you mentioned I haven't seen.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I liked the first half. After Ryan Gosling died it went downhill.
post #20864 of 21406
RWBY

recommendation: Tier 2.25*


This is a new anime production from the same team responsible for the web series Red vs. Blue. It is entirely animated using computer tools such as MAYA 3D software, so it looks quite different from normal cartoon animation. The screenshots provide a better guide than anything I could say on the video quality.

The 1080i presentation has some slight flaws, though most of it is seemingly due to the lack of refinement in the animation. Banding and aliasing are problems in the first couple of episodes which go away as the series finds its footing. RWBY's brilliant color palette is rendered in perfect clarity and sharpness. This might have been Tier 1.0 if the animation had been more polished in its backgrounds. All of the detail is reserved for the character models, leaving sparse background imagery.
post #20865 of 21406
Turbo

DreamWorks has clearly refined their animation in recent titles, and IMHO they are now rivaling Pixar! Turbo is a visual feast, with amazing colors and details, along with inky blacks and super-strong contrast. Wait til you see the texture on the pavement at the Indy 500, or the minute detail on the jet-black crows. We're getting company shortly for the night, so I'm going to simply weigh in with my placement recommendation. Happy Thanksgiving to all my fellow AVS members.

Tier Recommendation: Tier 0* (Right below Toy Story 3)

Viewed from 7.5' using the equipment listed below....
post #20866 of 21406
I should mention tomorrow we leave for Minneapolis where our whole clan will be together for the day in the new home of "daughter #3" and her family. Her husband had a professional Home Theater built in their bonus room above the garage (with a really cool secret entrance to the bonus room....through a hall bookcase!!), so I'm bringing an armful of Blus to watch for the next few days....some animated titles for all the "young at heart," and then some good action Blus for after the kiddies go to bed.

Again, have a good Thanksgiving! Drive safe if you're on the road, and when you're at the table eating the feast remember to "push away from the table before you can't!" biggrin.gif
post #20867 of 21406
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

Turbo

DreamWorks has clearly refined their animation in recent titles, and IMHO they are now rivaling Pixar! Turbo is a visual feast, with amazing colors and details, along with inky blacks and super-strong contrast. Wait til you see the texture on the pavement at the Indy 500, or the minute detail on the jet-black crows. We're getting company shortly for the night, so I'm going to simply weigh in with my placement recommendation. Happy Thanksgiving to all my fellow AVS members.

Tier Recommendation: Tier 0* (Right below Toy Story 3)

Viewed from 7.5' using the equipment listed below....
Gobble, gobble...A happy Thanksgiving to you and everyone else reading the thread! Turbo sounds like a clear-cut demo disc. Everyone can pick up the cheap BDs on Black Friday and give us a report on their picture quality.


Necessary Evil: Super-Villains of DC Comics

recommendation: Tier 1.75*


This is a 99-minute documentary of talking heads, mostly speaking over various clips from movies such as Superman and The Dark Knight Rises, not to mention a copious selection of comic book art. If you've seen the featurettes found on WB's line of animated superhero films, one should get a good idea of the general picture quality. Some of the clips are taken from SD sources but generally the new interviews have been shot in pristine HD.
post #20868 of 21406
The Message

recommendation: Tier 4.0*


Anchor Bay has delivered another film transfer of questionable origins on Blu-ray for this release of The Message. The 1976 film is a throwback in terms of style to older biblical epics from Hollywood, this time devoted to the origins of the Islamic faith. The film has been heavily cropped from its native scope presentation to a 1.78:1 aspect ratio. It also has an interlaced presentation at 1080i resolution.

The film print is in much better shape than the similar source used on Anchor Bay's other recent catalog release from Moustapha Akkad, Lion of the Desert. This disc actually looks derived from an authentic film source, even if the older telecine is showing its age in terms of clarity and ultimate resolution.
post #20869 of 21406
I would like to nominate another top tier title. "Secret Of The Wings"
post #20870 of 21406
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Originally Posted by Neil Joseph View Post

I would like to nominate another top tier title. "Secret Of The Wings"
Definitely, I think some of the prior Tinker Bell CGI movies are already in the top tier. I hope everyone had a happy Thanksgiving and then picked up many cheap Blu-rays this weekend from Black Friday sales.smile.gif


Treme: The Complete Third Season

recommendation: Tier 2.0*

HBO's series set in New Orleans looks quite fine in Hi-Def. HBO always treats their Blu-ray releases with the utmost care and Treme continues that standard. The pristine video does lack the kind of ultra-refinement in close-up detail that I've come to expect from Tier One-level BDs, which is the primary reason why Treme gets dropped to the second tier.

There is still nothing inherently wrong and the clean image will surely please Treme's small base of fans.
post #20871 of 21406
The Lone Ranger

All good, little bad, no ugly

Tier 0.5
post #20872 of 21406
Hey , Phantom, isn't it time for another update? It's December.
post #20873 of 21406
Yes, the Picture Quality Tiers will soon be updated once again. I will remind posters here that using the Google entry form for Tier recommendations is encouraged:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1GEVDmUrTzHYNHBZpN_8mMZvCzmYEQiUJqCNyRQAadGU/viewform

Djoberg uses it to input his scores and I would hope others do it as well. If you are logged into AVS, the entry form link is always in my signature below every single post of mine.
post #20874 of 21406
Dr. Seuss' The Cat in the Hat (1971)

recommendation: Tier 3.5*

Warner is peddling this 24-minute CBS television special on its own BD-25.eek.gif The picture quality looks decent enough but the cel animation looks too clean given its vintage and background. It almost certainly has been processed by DNR on some level. Other than that possible bugaboo, there is nothing really noteworthy about this rough-around-the-edges animation intended for broadcast. The flat colors don't appear to have been pumped up for modern audiences. It does appear the HD transfer was struck relatively recently.

I had intended to make an elaborate Dr. Seuss parody for this placement but that is easier said than done.tongue.gif


The Cat in the Hat is in Tier Three.

After watching it, I hope you agree.

It's not Tier One or Tier Two of that you can be sure,

But make no mistake, this is not premature.
post #20875 of 21406
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

Yes, the Picture Quality Tiers will soon be updated once again. I will remind posters here that using the Google entry form for Tier recommendations is encouraged:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1GEVDmUrTzHYNHBZpN_8mMZvCzmYEQiUJqCNyRQAadGU/viewform

Djoberg uses it to input his scores and I would hope others do it as well. If you are logged into AVS, the entry form link is always in my signature below every single post of mine.

I will try to get to it tonight. What date does this update extend back to?
post #20876 of 21406
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Originally Posted by mweflen View Post

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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

Yes, the Picture Quality Tiers will soon be updated once again. I will remind posters here that using the Google entry form for Tier recommendations is encouraged:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1GEVDmUrTzHYNHBZpN_8mMZvCzmYEQiUJqCNyRQAadGU/viewform

Djoberg uses it to input his scores and I would hope others do it as well. If you are logged into AVS, the entry form link is always in my signature below every single post of mine.

I will try to get to it tonight. What date does this update extend back to?

Don't worry about inputting past entries, the spreadsheet goes back to March of this year. Though it would be quite helpful if forum members did one for each new recommendation / placement going forward. I've been manually entering in past scores for everyone in the thread since its creation in March.

Here is the current spreadsheet which anyone can view:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoQ5HYzIbPQldDIxVlZTeWs1dDlOQkZRbFN2SzZneXc#gid=0
post #20877 of 21406
The Wolverine: Unleashed Extended Edition (containing both the 2-D and 3-D versions)

recommendation: Tier 0 (bottom quarter)

I am passing along Gamereviewgod's score for this week's big release. The only way to get the extended cut in 2-D is by purchasing this 3-D set. Apparently he was quite impressed by its depth and clarity in normal 2-D, though he did mention the 3-D's lesser black levels would drop that unique transfer down to Tier 1.75.eek.gif
post #20878 of 21406
Off topic posts removed.

S~
post #20879 of 21406
The Wolverine: Unleashed Extended Edition (containing both the 2-D and 3-D versions)

recommendation: Tier 5
post #20880 of 21406
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh

recommendation: Tier 1.25/1.5*

An absolutely stunning restoration from Disney. The 1977 animated feature has never looked better. This is a world-class restoration that few films from Disney's animated catalog are truly getting anymore. These are the best results achieved by Disney since their Sleeping Beauty transfer.

Winnie the Pooh and his friends are presented in pristine clarity from an immaculate source. The cel animation practically comes to life in brilliant 1080P resolution with vibrant color fidelity.
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