The Official Pioneer 8G KURO Owner's Discussions Thread - Page 341

I would only count on warranty service if it is a problem that would be obvious to a 3 year old. Companies in the display business appear to deny warranty work as much as possible.

I would go to a few stores and have them turn off the Pioneers and see if you can see this same effect. That shouldn't be too hard to do. I have two new Kuros and don't see this on either one of them. But if you see it on every panel in every store you visit, then you're seeing something I can't see and you'll have to make up your mind what the impact of this is for your normal viewing.

I think the bottom line is if it's not effecting the actual picture I wouldn't be concerned.

I was in Best Buy yesterday...They had a 5010 I used the remote to check their settings ...They had it in user mode with the Contrast at 47 colr at 10... I stopped checking...Amazing! (BTW,The tv still looked great ...can't ruin a Kuro!)

Intersting...I have a component input and Hdmi, different sources I will check on this

I believe Cinema mode only appears and works with 480 content

if your avr has more than on hdmi input, i'd hook the cable box up through the avr as well to simplify switching.

i'm assuming that your avr will process audio over hdmi (rather than just pass it through), otherwise, you'll need a spdif connection from your sources to the avr as well.

I'm going to try to find a large piece of black cardboard or bristol board, cut and mount it between the stand verticals. I figure it'll clean up the look and give me a way to hide the cables.

Has anyone confirmed that 24fps works with a 6010 and the LG100 or LG200?

I have a LG200 and have not been able to get 24p working. Just sends 1080p60. The LG requires a EDID handshake to work. Since the LG200 is barely out there I am trying to determine if my issue is in the LG200. OR if the 6010 is not reporting the EDID properly.

I installed powerstrip in a HTPC DVI to HDMI and read the EDID info, mine did not show 24Hz as an option. Can I trust this? Has anyone seen the EDID information from a 6010 from a more reliable source?

I suspect it is due to the fact that the dolby circuitry only extracts from digital TV broadcast signals and other HDMI source components can provide their own dolby output?

I posted about a week ago about this (5010 versus Elite), but nobody responded. Why is it the 5010 can't be lowered with the speaker detached but the Elite is already lowered ...... or is this not true. Looking at the drawing, on the owners manual PDF, on the Pioneer website, the two look the same, but I thought I remember others saying the 5010 will sit higher, and no lowering available with the speaker removed. Those extra 3 or 4 inches in height effect my installation. Any definitive answers here?

John

Totally agree with you. I had an old Sony LCD with the famous "clouding". I had to fight Sony for a full year before I got a refund. Pioneer seems to be way worse as far as honoring their warranty than other brands (dead pixels, dirty screen, etc).

Ken,

That's actually a really good idea. I might go with my friend today to few stores to check that out. I don't honestly think it effects is viewing much. He actually went 3 months without noticing anything. Then one day he caught the reflection of the screen and noticed the oily smears. He then started researching a little bit and stumbled onto avforums and this site. Before you know it, he had found the strange vertical smears and was freaking out. He also knew about my issues with my old 7th gen and got worried. Sometimes you have to know when to stop looking for problems I guess .

My PRO-950 has I think the same thing as you are describing. Very hard to see with display off, for me at least not visible with it on. One month old, never been touched with anything, no cloth, no cleaner. Looks to me similar to anti-reflection coating on lenses but more streaky.

It's very different. The blotches are somehow related to how the pixels are powered, some residual charge thing or something. The streaking is in the glass or a filter layer.

My guess is that Pioneer takes into consideration it has to be taller due to the speaker is attached to the bottom....If you want it to be lower just purchase an Elite stand....It should fit.

More information regarding this streaking. I did some careful viewing this morning and I can't see the streaks unless there is light in the room reflecting off the plasma screen. It seems as though the streaks are on the outside of the screen because I can only see them (with TV on or off) when an external light; i.e., other than the TV, is reflecting on the screen. And then I have to be quite close to the screen to see them.

I never have a light on in my TV room when watching anything. I might have a hall light on when I'm watching something on Direct TV but when I'm watching a movie, I want to re-create the theatre experience I remember as a kid in the 50s and 60s. That is not the well-lit theatres of today. Theatres in that era were dark with only very dim lights on the outer walls that could barely be seen.

Those were the days of wide, wide screens and Cinerama movies.... now gone forever.

One thing this plasma doesn't have is any buzz or noise. It is absolutely silent. Decisions, decisions. Should I keep it or get a replacement from BB. I know they'll give me one but what mightl I get with a replacement unit?

Honestly if you don't see any streaks, smears, vertical or horizontal bands when watching tv, I would just keep it. The main thing people tend to see when they notice the streaks/smears is that they show up in light or bright colored material (you can actually see smears or vertical streaks in the picture as it pans across the set). If you haven't noticed any streaks, smears, or banding during a scene that pans with light colors (a completely white screen or a light blue sky for example) then I wouldn't worry about it. If you do notice it, well then you are dealing with what my friend has now.

Interesting idea. Let us know how this works out for you.

BTW, I checked out the Pioneer parts website and the 150FD stand kit is $400 -- way more than I'm willing to pay. For that additional cost, I may as well have gotten the 150FD rather than the 6010FD in the first place.

Thanks, ccotenj; the short answer is, I don't know--I've never tried it. I am using a component video/digital audio out direct from my dvd to my current display now; so if there's a problem I'll at least already have the cable . As far as the stb to av goes I was just trying to simplify for normal day to day vs. hd/movie watching. It should still work though, yes?

Same here for my 4-month old 4280.

You're right, perhaps this is in the anti-reflection coating.

I'm not worried about it.

I just noticed it for the first time the other day by accident when looking up at the screen from close-in with the set off and a room light reflecting in the screen. It probably has been there all along.

I can see absolutely no sign of these horizontal "black oily-looking streaks" with the set on, from the normal viewing position or without the room light on.

It would be nice though to get "official" word on this from Pioneer, just for re-assurance.
--M--

What plasma do you have again. plz note it again in your response.

You may get a non-streaking buzzy plasma. My pro-150fd is in a warehouse ready to be delivered this week. I told the trucking Co. to deliver it on 1/4/08. reasons: are I'm not ready to mount it yet. I have to make a decision on furniture height and center channel height before installing the mount. plus I feel uncomfortable leaving the set boxed in my house this time of year. makes for an easier burglary target. But I'd rather get it here and plug it in to see if it buzzes and is streaky. You know what? We pay $6k+ for this set and we're talking about streaks and buzzes. that sucks!!!!!! Apparently this technology is not perfected yet even at 8th generation. I feel like telling the trucking co. to send it back and get my money back!!Regards...

Maybe one of the sponsors can get it for you cheaper?

In my case, it's horizontal so I only see it as stuff is panning vertically across
it. Strangely, I have a hard time seeing it on a static screen (except for the
infamous slight line across the screen that many 1080P pio's appear to have).
I find it's more prevalent with HD cable than with stuff like my PS3 and my
Laptop. What's even weirder is that sometimes it's totally not there, while
others it is. I honestly don't think it's the panel itself, but something to do
with processing that's affecting the signal getting to the panel. I don't see
any streaks when I shine a light on the screen when powered off, by the
way. It's not that bad, though, and I've just about come to live with it. I
am already used to the buzzing, would you believe. I don't hear it anymore
unless I concentrate.

Oh yeah, keep in mind I am sitting 7.5 feet away. At 10 feet away, the streaks
cannot be detected at all. I really shouldn't be sitting so close to a 60 inch
panel anyhow, especially with my reading glasses on.

I don't know what to suggest, but I just posted above how my streaking is
pretty hard to detect and the buzzing is no big deal anymore. I can tell you
that no TV is perfect, though. My friend picked up his brand new Sony XBR5
and he isn't happy with it, especially the blacks. I've been through enough
Sharp LCD's to know they aren't perfect either. The new d64's, however, are
much better as they apparently don't have the banding issues.

However... this TV's picture is still great, even with these flaws. You'd have
to stare at the streaky spots to notice them, and it doesn't happen often
anyhow (at least for me). Keep in mind I spent $8K Canadian, so if anyone
is going to be upset, it would be me as I paid a lot... and yet, I'm happy. I
can dwell on the littlest things, but you know, the TV is awesome regardless.
If you have a buzz, it'll bug you for the first month or 2, but you'll get used
to it and accept the nice picture. Don't worry about our streaky talk as we
are generally getting a bit meticulous. I've already mentioned I only see the
streaks because I'm sitting too close. If you sit close to a plasma, heck,
you'll see the noise and pulsations.

Good luck with your TV, though. I hope it's perfect, nonetheless.

nambit thanks for the encouragement. I'm retired and this is an EXTREMELY huge, what I believed to be, INVESTMENT. I also am purchasing a receiver, blu-ray, mount, custom credenza and $3k worth of lcr speakers. I am "investing" some $15-$16k here. I just want to point my remote, hit the button and SMILE. Plus I have a huge amt of work with the mounting, separate electric line, and speaker cutouts in the wall, especially the center channel. I'm starting to stress out here.

While I realize that many on this forum are fussy, critical, anal whatever adjective you want to choose, WE ALL come here to learn and trade information. So I guess I'll have this pro150FD delivered, unboxed and powered on just to see and listen to the streaking and or buzzing issue.Regards...

Ron,

Like yourself, I am retired (for 13 years so far.) The PRO-150FD I got on August 31 has shown zero streaks, no buzz, and no other problems. Bought it at a local B&M for at or below any price I've seen on the www.

Two suggestions. At least look into and consider the Play Station 3 as a blu-ray disk player. I love mine! The added benefit of being able to play games may take some years off your age and it's a great buy.

Also, take a look at any of the Harmony remotes. ( I am upgrading my 680 to an 890 PRO.) It will allow you to push one button and view whatever you wish with your receiver and any other devices automatically put into the right mode. (The Play Station is Blu-tooth so you'll need a USB dongle on the PS# to accept the IR signal from the Harmony - http://www.schmartz.com/main.sc is where I got mine.)

Life is good.

The 50" PDP 5010. Best Buy is sending a tech over on Tuesday to look at it. The sales manager I dealt with at BB when I bought me plasma says he is a very good and a straight shooter.

I'm certain BB has run into this problem before because when I called the sales manager who sold me the set to tell him about the streaking he told me straight out it was a defective screen, the screens should have no streaking. BB will take it back but I don't know if it's a big enough problem to send it back. I have to do some movie watching today and tomorrow before the BB tech guy gets here.

Well I just stopped by a local BB/Magnolia here to check if I could see streaks on other panels. I looked at Elites, a 6010 and other brands and couldn't see the streaking on them. Now that I've compared a "clean" screen to what I've got I have to say that it's quite a difference. Right now I'm running the break in DVD on my 5010 and you can clearly see the streaks on the solid colors. Unfortunately If Pioneer doesn't replace this panel I'm going to be pretty upset.

Saltidog-

Questions for you. A Play Station 3 will play Blu-Ray discs as good as a Blu-Ray player? Wow!

I bought the Tosh XA2 HD player when I bought my plasma because everything I read (The Perfect Vision, etc.) was that the HD format was far superior in up-converting SD DVDs on to 1080p. You don't get to full 1080p of course, but it's not far from it. Many of the classics from the 50s and 60s that are re-mastered for the 16x9 format look absolutely stunning.

That was also what the BB sales rep told me. He thinks HD will win the format wars. They are selling waaaayyyyy more HDs than Blu-Rays. Having said that, with what I have invested in my entire video system at this point is well high enough that adding a Blu-Ray player to go along with my Tosh HD player would not bother me. I want to see great movies in great HD, no matter who makes them.

Another question. Do the Harmony remotes really work on numerous equipment brands and models? For movies I have the Tosh HD player and the last of the great Pioneer Laserdisc players. You wouldn't believe how great lasers look in Cinema mode on this plasma, even though they are not capable of progressive scanning.

I'm also a stereo guy and an audiophile of 25 years. I don't like surround so I've got a pair of my fav stereo speakers set up and driven by a conrad-johnson MV75 tubed amp. Wow! Smooth and warm. I had to buy a pre-amp for this arrangement because the 5010 does not have a variable audio output that will allow me to bypass the plasma speakers and just switch to the external speakers. Since I needed a remote controlled pre-amp I couldn't go with a tubed pre-amp. I bought an NAD C162 pre-amp. Great, great unit. Two phono inputs for MC and MM tonearm cartridges, a video input and lots of other line inputs. The neatest thing about it is it has two outputs (pre-amp to amp) if you want to bi-amp your audio setup and one of them gives you the ability to adjust the gain coming from the output source. That gives me much more control over the audio level and audio levels can vary greatly from movie to movie.

So.... will a Harmony remote actually control all of this equipment with one remote?

Thanks for your help.

I had an horizontal streak on my two first 4280s in the middle of the screen. I too noticed it while playing the break in DVD.
I returned the 1st one and got a replacement, and the 2nd one had the same problem at the exact same place (a 2cm high strip in the middle of the screen, visible with a light reflecting on the TV when switched off). I could definitely see it on a clear grey screen, while scrolling this forum's pages on the Wii's web browser for example.
I returned the 2nd one too, waited for 2 months and bought a 3rd one that is perfect.
So I think some TVs from the same batch can have the problem.

Still, the problem was nothing compared to, let's say, Sharp LCDs banding or Sony's clouding, I could have lived with it. But if you have a 30 days no questions asked return policy, I would advise you to use it. Although they HAD to take my tv(s) back, I had a pretty hard time convincing the people at BestBuy they were defective.