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post #10291 of 17517
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Originally Posted by 1080pixel View Post

I included the pix of the white lines at the top edge of the video display area on my 5010. I have DirecTV HD service. HDMI straight from HD receiver to TV.

The line is broken into segments. Some segments flash on and off very fast.

It happens mostly during commercial although I saw it with a National Geo Channel program where there were pillars on left and right.

I also see it on the left edge of the video display area of a 4:3 signal signal.

DirecTV has no idea. Pioneer says it's the signal from DirecTV.

Any idea? Thanks.

This is an underscan issue with your TV & the video frame, which is content related. I occasionally see the same problem on my PRO-150FD.

To resolve the underscan issue use the Image Position Adjustment (H/V Position Adjust) feature to move the vertical/horizontal position of the video frame.
post #10292 of 17517
Just took delivery of my second 110 unit (replacing my first 110 unit that produced a lovely picture and a consistent buzzing audible almost exclusively when sitting in my sweet spot).

That first 110 was so lovely, I was freaking out about sending it back.

The new tv is a "buzzer" as well. In just about exactly the same way except I think this one is a little bit louder.

I feel like crap. I can't believe this is really happening to me. I *LOVE* the 110 in every way except for this one thing. I just dropped $80.00 on this bad boy and the problem is IDENTICAL in nature and slightly worse in degree.

I'm going to hell, I'm sure of it. And in hell there will be cutting edge equipment showing only my favorite movies... and it will all be buzzing. I may go to hell for other reasons, but this will be my torture. Somehow, I don't think I'll be alone.

Maybe the customer service people will be in hell in the same place as I am and have to listen to me complain about the buzzing.

I'm pissed. Because of Best Buy's return policy during the holidays, I have until the end of January to replace this one, again, for another $80. My sales dude there really likes me and has been very supportive, but I think I'm going to have to invite him over so he doesn't think I'm completely insane. He has pretty sensitive hearing, too, and reports to me that his 150FD does not buzz. We joke about the idea that I've spent enough to gain manual control over the image quality, but not quite enough to get the buzz free set. This is not laugh-out-loud funny, more like, wtf ironical funny.

PISSED!
post #10293 of 17517
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Originally Posted by adamwc1776 View Post

Just took delivery of my second 110 unit (replacing my first 110 unit that produced a lovely picture and a consistent buzzing audible almost exclusively when sitting in my sweet spot).

That first 110 was so lovely, I was freaking out about sending it back.

The new tv is a "buzzer" as well. In just about exactly the same way except I think this one is a little bit louder.

I feel like crap. I can't believe this is really happening to me. I *LOVE* the 110 in every way except for this one thing. I just dropped $80.00 on this bad boy and the problem is IDENTICAL in nature and slightly worse in degree.

I'm going to hell, I'm sure of it. And in hell there will be cutting edge equipment showing only my favorite movies... and it will all be buzzing. I may go to hell for other reasons, but this will be my torture. Somehow, I don't think I'll be alone.

Maybe the customer service people will be in hell in the same place as I am and have to listen to me complain about the buzzing.

I'm pissed. Because of Best Buy's return policy during the holidays, I have until the end of January to replace this one, again, for another $80. My sales dude there really likes me and has been very supportive, but I think I'm going to have to invite him over so he doesn't think I'm completely insane. He has pretty sensitive hearing, too, and reports to me that his 150FD does not buzz. We joke about the idea that I've spent enough to gain manual control over the image quality, but not quite enough to get the buzz free set. This is not laugh-out-loud funny, more like, wtf ironical funny.

PISSED!

I have a pioneer 1540 and a 150 and both buzz to some degree from the rear of the plasma. I think this is the nature of the beast. You could try putting some damping material behind the panel on the wall to obsorb the reflective noise that is bothering you(try a pillow for example in a couple of different spots). I suspect what is happening is that your listening position just happens to be a point where the nodes of that frequency are amplified. Bad luck. Thanks. Ned.
post #10294 of 17517
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Originally Posted by P_CAL_CAN View Post

Greetings from Canada.

I have been going back and forth between the Panasonic and the Pioneer for some time. The stores that have both all seem to agree that the Pioneer is the way to go. The Pioneer 6010 is now in my budget range, but to be honest the number of issues that users have reported on this thread have me a bit nervous. There seems to be more problems with the Pioneers than reported with the Panasonics.

OK - my questions

Is the 6010 worth the extra $ compared to the Panasonic?

Are the Panasonic units more reliable?

Will SD DVDs appear pixilated on a screen this large?

Any thoughts on extended warranties?

I have a Panny 42PX75 and a Pio 150FD. The Pio picture is significantly better in every regard compared to the Panny. I have been a harsh critic of the SD on HDTVs, including the Panasonics, but find a new level of SD performance with the Pio.

My brother owns a 50" 1080p Panny and when he helped me set up my Pioneer he said "my picture sure doesn't look like this good".

I think the key is "the Pioneer 6010 is now in my budget range". Cost is the only reason not to buy the Pio. If you have gotten over that hurdle then you'll probably be happy and never look back.

The only two quality issues are the higher level of buzz on some sets for some people (which I can confirm is louder on my 150FD) and the water / oil sheen on the screen some are reporting (which I don't have).

Only 2-3% of Kuro owners have found the buzzing to be significant to return the set while 20% find it annoying at listening distances. I would refer you to the Buzz Poll thread for additional perspectives.

From my standpoint, the buzzing is only annoying in the sense that everything else about the set is nearly perfect. I just don't think it is enough of an issue to give up the better picture of the Pio for Panny.

On the other hand, I do think Pioneer should do something to address the issue so potential buyers such as yourself don't have to worry about it, dealers dont have to mess with the returns, and everyone can have that perfect HDTV.
post #10295 of 17517
I believe that the "just above eye level" for the center of the screen refers to one's sitting position (not standing).
post #10296 of 17517
Im afraid to upgrade from my 5 year old very silent 433cmx to a Kuro for fear of buzzing.After living for so long with a silent pioneer it would drive me nuts to hear a buzzing.Hope 9g has better track record on buzzing.
post #10297 of 17517
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Originally Posted by adamwc1776 View Post

I'm going to hell, I'm sure of it. And in hell there will be cutting edge equipment showing only my favorite movies... and it will all be buzzing. I may go to hell for other reasons, but this will be my torture. Somehow, I don't think I'll be alone.



My sales dude there really likes me and has been very supportive, but I think I'm going to have to invite him over so he doesn't think I'm completely insane.

You are going to hell. You're going to be watching your favorite movie on one of the most beautiful displays on the planet, listening to it buzz with your Best Buy sales guy in your home.
post #10298 of 17517
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Originally Posted by 720p View Post

I will be wall mounting my 50" Kuro. My bracket is fixed no tilt/etc. Does 30" from the floor to the bottom of the plasma sound about right? I am not looking for the over the fireplace/painting look.

To get the best height for any video display, sit in your normal location/chair/couch whatever. Have somebody else measure how high your eyes are from the floor - you can't usually do a good job of this yourself due to the sides of the chair/couch, etc. If your eyes are, for example, 34" from the floor, the center of your screen should be 34" from the floor. If your SCREEN (not the whole thing, just the area with the image, is 26", the middle is 13" and if the bottom frame is 3" high, you'd want the bottom edge of the screen to be 34-13-3=18" from the floor. Most flat panels hung on walls are hung WAY WAY too high for viewing comfort. You don't want to be looking up all the time, that gets real old, real fast... like sitting too close to the screen in a movie theater.

Exceptions: The farther away you sit, the less important the height is - the closer you sit, the more importat it is for the height to be optimum. (But the farther you sit, the less detail you'll see in HDTV images - 6.5' from a 50" screen is NOT too close believe it or not.). Installations in exercise rooms may work out better with the display higher... or not. All depends on the equipment, space, and arrangement of everything.
post #10299 of 17517
I've experienced other plasmas. Nothing in my experience matches the 110 for color quality, sharpness, optimization/customization options. I even think the speakers that come with the tv are really great, though of course I'm watching movies with a home theater setup.

I'm not sure what to do now. I'm pretty sure that if I pay for another exchange (that would be $240 total spent on exchanges!) that I'm going to end up with the same result. I may be able to go through this one more time, but I just don't know. I have sensitive hearing (everyone tells me this), and I'm also a bit of a perfectionist. But I'm not crazy. The buzz is so intense that I can hear it while sitting with my head centered vertically and horizontally in front of the tv at a distance of 18 feet. I'm not straining to hear this. Even my wife is picking it up. It's a noise. Sitting off-axis, it almost entirely disappears.

But my sweet spot centered seating position is within 10 feet, which makes the buzz issue even worse. Power Mode 2, monitor at D-Nice's reference settings, with the Contrast and Brightness a little lower..... volume on the tv set to 25 watching Lost (brief break from the break-in disc) and I can hear the buzz during quiet exchanges between characters.

I upgraded from the 1150 to the 110 for the additional realism and dimensionality of the 1080p set. I got what I paid for. Plus a buzz.

Honestly, I can't imagine how the hell I'd be able to live with this compromise. To own this television and not be able to sit centered in front of it is ludicrous.
post #10300 of 17517
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Originally Posted by brentsg View Post

You are going to hell. You're going to be watching your favorite movie on one of the most beautiful displays on the planet, listening to it buzz with your Best Buy sales guy in your home.

I hope I can bring more than one movie. And I'll make sure to handle any further transactions involving this television with a sales woman instead. Thaks for the heads-up.
post #10301 of 17517
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Originally Posted by adamwc1776 View Post

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I'm not sure what to do now. I'm pretty sure that if I pay for another exchange (that would be $240 total spent on exchanges!) that I'm going to end up with the same result. ...

Why do they get $80 if you return a set they sold you that was defective?
post #10302 of 17517
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

no, that circuitry isn't already there, they merely passthrough ota dd 5.1... if you attempted to pass audio via hdmi out through the digital port, you'd have to handle downmixing pcm, etc...

Are you saying that an OTA HD program with a DD5.1 soundtrack also carries a separate PCM stereo track which the KUROs use to drive their speakers?
post #10303 of 17517
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Originally Posted by adamwc1776 View Post

I've experienced other plasmas. Nothing in my experience matches the 110 for color quality, sharpness, optimization/customization options. I even think the speakers that come with the tv are really great, though of course I'm watching movies with a home theater setup.

I'm not sure what to do now. I'm pretty sure that if I pay for another exchange (that would be $240 total spent on exchanges!) that I'm going to end up with the same result. I may be able to go through this one more time, but I just don't know. I have sensitive hearing (everyone tells me this), and I'm also a bit of a perfectionist. But I'm not crazy. The buzz is so intense that I can hear it while sitting with my head centered vertically and horizontally in front of the tv at a distance of 18 feet. I'm not straining to hear this. Even my wife is picking it up. It's a noise. Sitting off-axis, it almost entirely disappears.

But my sweet spot centered seating position is within 10 feet, which makes the buzz issue even worse. Power Mode 2, monitor at D-Nice's reference settings, with the Contrast and Brightness a little lower..... volume on the tv set to 25 watching Lost (brief break from the break-in disc) and I can hear the buzz during quiet exchanges between characters.

I upgraded from the 1150 to the 110 for the additional realism and dimensionality of the 1080p set. I got what I paid for. Plus a buzz.

Honestly, I can't imagine how the hell I'd be able to live with this compromise. To own this television and not be able to sit centered in front of it is ludicrous.

Adam - Given what you've said about off-axis, have you experimented with slightly different positions of the TV, including viewing (hearing!) angle. It seems that's going to be your best bet: either your head or the TV position.

Good luck! ! I hear no buzzing with my 110, and I feel for you big time.

p.s. I'm assuming the buzz is coming from the panel, not the speakers? No need to answer. I imagine you know that if it's from the speakers you have a different problem. Just throwing this out since you've had more than one set that's buzzed.
post #10304 of 17517
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Originally Posted by P_CAL_CAN View Post

Greetings from Canada.

Is the 6010 worth the extra $ compared to the Panasonic?

I have experienced both the Panasonic TH-58PZ750U (friend's set) and the Pioneer PDP-6010FD (mine, all mine!!) and there really is no comparison, IMHO. Even my friend agrees with me, but is still happy with the price/performance point that he hit. The Panasonic is a very nice display, but the Pioneer is just extraordinary. PQ is off the charts and mine is still being broken in. Once it's calibrated, I may never leave the couch (OK, so I don't wander that far as it is ). SD even shines on this thing. No buzz, no smears, no runs, drips or errors. I have never been this completely satisfied with any electronics purchase that I have ever made. I'd love to have an Elite, but the 6010 fit my tastes and budget to a "T" ("P"?).

Just my opinion. YMMV, offer not good in sectors R or Z, substantial interest penalty for premature withdrawal, etc., etc.

FX
post #10305 of 17517
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Originally Posted by adamwc1776 View Post

I hope I can bring more than one movie. And I'll make sure to handle any further transactions involving this television with a sales woman instead. Thaks for the heads-up.

I'm telling you, try some sound absorbing material behind the panel. It might work. Thanks. Ned.
post #10306 of 17517
I would email, call or say something to Pioneer. You are tired of paying $80.00 each time for trying out another tv. You have purchased one and you like the pic quality but the buzz is driving you crazy. Pioneer has to know this because i bet that phone rings off the hook now with this buzzing problem.

They should give you tips, pointers and tell you things you could do to help with the buzz. They must know where it is comming from and what causes it and the least they could do by helping out someone that purchases these high end products for them, is to help. I think like some have mentioned, try some absorbing material behind the panel. When i buy my set and if it buzzes like a bumble bee, i will be like you also wanting it fixed or it a small buzz.

I bought some very nice polk speakers for my pontoon and hav them under the couch and on both sides in some speaker boxes. A cousin installed them and had bought some kind of absorbing material(forgot the name) from Crutchfield. He said it helped so so much and you do not hear any rattles or vibrations and he even put some life jackets around the ones under the couch.

I think it sux and is ashamed that Pioneer doesn't address this, admit it or tell why, where it comes from and how us as a customer can help with it. I know they do not want you opening the panel up to be working on it but their techs could or tell people to place things behind it to help absorb the buzzing. Maybe they think we will catch the absorbing material or a pillow on fire, who knows. Please keep us informed and good luck.
post #10307 of 17517
Just to Clarify, if I get my 6010FD home, pop D-Nice's Breakin settings, break it in as recommended with the DVD....then plug in the D-Nice reference settings. I should STILL consider getting it ISF Calibrated?

If so, what is an ISF person going to set that D-Nice didn't do in his recommended settings? I understand the ISF Tech will make a noticable difference from the factory settings. But are the D-Nice settings close to the ISF settings?


And the big question is the difference between the D-Nice settings and the ISF Calibrated image worth the money?
post #10308 of 17517
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Originally Posted by rtwilbur View Post

Just to Clarify, if I get my 6010FD home, pop D-Nice's Breakin settings, break it in as recommended with the DVD....then plug in the D-Nice reference settings. I should STILL consider getting it ISF Calibrated?

If so, what is an ISF person going to set that D-Nice didn't do in his recommended settings? I understand the ISF Tech will make a noticable difference from the factory settings. But are the D-Nice settings close to the ISF settings?


And the big question is the difference between the D-Nice settings and the ISF Calibrated image worth the money?

As I always say try out his settings and if you love them then keep them. ISF has known to make a difference.
post #10309 of 17517
adamwc, i just found this and it is nothing really new. Put some pillows behind it and see if this absorbs some of the buzz and let us know. I read this, the increase refresh from 75 to 100 worked best by lowering the tone of the buzz. They say it still buzzes but at a differ tone and is some better.
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Plasma panel buzz is a normal phenomenon. Plasmas work on a totally different principle to colour televisions and have different operating characteristics. The level at which the operating buzz becomes noticeable is always subjective; one person may hear it whilst another does not. The following points help to understand the factors surrounding the buzzing:

The picture scanning drive circuits operate at high frequencies and powers. It is these circuits that cause the buzzing sound. The circuits are used to create both the picture and reuse energy to keep the unit efficiency high and panel heat emission low. This over-heating control is very important on the panels that do not use fans i.e. 37” and 42”. The resulting loss of fans makes for a quieter panel operation.

Due to the very high amount of power processing required, the 50” panels have cooling fans (up to 4), which will also contribute to the overall noise these plasma panels will produce. The buzz will appear more concentrated at the sides of the unit where the power circuit boards are situated.

Where cooling fans are not employed, the buzz may be heard in very quiet surroundings. Plasma buzzing is normal and will always occur, but the level of buzz is what matters.

Generally speaking the buzz will only be heard in quiet surroundings (with low levels of audio from whatever sound system used) and with the userseated too close to the panel - less than 12’ for 42” and 10’ for 37” panels.

A typical scenario is using the panel in the middle of the night when listening to news broadcasts at low volume. In this situation buzz might be heard during the silent breaks in the audio, but not so much during speech. This is not abnormal nor does it indicate a faulty panel.

If the buzz is heard above normal ambient daytime noise and audio levels at more that 12’ a problem might be present.

The method of panel installation will also affect the amount of noise heard. Wall mounting the panel will cause buzz emitted from the back of the panel to be reflected off the wall and into the room more than if the unit is located on the pedestal which is seated 2 to 4 feet away.

Plasma panels do not run in total silence. They do buzz as a normal part of their operation, but this level of buzz is quite low and may beintermittently noticed in quiet surroundings, many factors can influence this.

Changing the picture mode in the picture settings menu between dynamic/normal/cinema will also reduce the level of perceived noise since this affects how much power the panel is processing and this the level of power produced.

Having too much brightness and contrast with the dynamic mode setting on,can overdrive the panel and cause louder buzz levels with strong picture signals i.e. DVD or Sky digital signals. Changing these settings can lower the level of buzz produced. Use ‘normal’ picture mode and lower brightness/contrast settings to reduce this effect.

It is normal for the buzz tone and level to change the picture content because the panel drive circuits are processing different amounts of power and adapting their drive cycles.

Hard wall surface i.e. painted/wooden panels will be more effective reflectors than say walls that are covered in softer finishes, wall papered or curtained.

Please ensure these facts are understood and check your panel against a dealers display unit before requesting service, since abnormal levels of buzz are not always ‘abnormal’ but just the normal operating buzz of plasma technology.
post #10310 of 17517
Last night I was running the Video Pattern on my Pro-150 (just preventative maintenance as I've never seen any sort of IR) and heard something very interesting. Just as I've suspected, the buzz is originating in the cells/pixels, and not coming from the back. I could walk along and follow the white stripe with my ear and clearly hear the buzz. If I stood on the right side of the screen, when the stripe approached, so did the buzz, and when it cycled back over to the left side, the buzz would go with it. So, on my panel at least, the buzz comes from the front of the panel, and the high contrast/white cells themselves. When I listened behind the panel, you could hear a very slight hum, but the screen buzz from the front was all but gone.

I am having a Pioneer tech come over after Christmas to diagnose my buzzing. I recorded an HD hockey game as test material since this is where I notice it most. Hopefully, Pioneer will find a fix for this problem.


BTW, I can hear this 15' from the set, I live @ 5400' above sea level, I currently have 585 Hours on it, and all 3 60" Kuros I've had in my house buzzed the same way.
post #10311 of 17517
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Originally Posted by paris_tn View Post

adamwc, i just found this and it is nothing really new. Put some pillows behind it and see if this absorbs some of the buzz and let us know. I read this, the increase refresh from 75 to 100 worked best by lowering the tone of the buzz. They say it still buzzes but at a differ tone and is some better.
----------------------------------------------------

Plasma panel buzz is a normal phenomenon. Plasmas work on a totally different principle to colour televisions and have different operating characteristics. The level at which the operating buzz becomes noticeable is always subjective; one person may hear it whilst another does not. The following points help to understand the factors surrounding the buzzing:

The picture scanning drive circuits operate at high frequencies and powers. It is these circuits that cause the buzzing sound. The circuits are used to create both the picture and reuse energy to keep the unit efficiency high and panel heat emission low. This over-heating control is very important on the panels that do not use fans i.e. 37” and 42”. The resulting loss of fans makes for a quieter panel operation.

Due to the very high amount of power processing required, the 50” panels have cooling fans (up to 4), which will also contribute to the overall noise these plasma panels will produce. The buzz will appear more concentrated at the sides of the unit where the power circuit boards are situated.

Where cooling fans are not employed, the buzz may be heard in very quiet surroundings. Plasma buzzing is normal and will always occur, but the level of buzz is what matters.

Generally speaking the buzz will only be heard in quiet surroundings (with low levels of audio from whatever sound system used) and with the userseated too close to the panel - less than 12’ for 42” and 10’ for 37” panels.

A typical scenario is using the panel in the middle of the night when listening to news broadcasts at low volume. In this situation buzz might be heard during the silent breaks in the audio, but not so much during speech. This is not abnormal nor does it indicate a faulty panel.

If the buzz is heard above normal ambient daytime noise and audio levels at more that 12’ a problem might be present.

The method of panel installation will also affect the amount of noise heard. Wall mounting the panel will cause buzz emitted from the back of the panel to be reflected off the wall and into the room more than if the unit is located on the pedestal which is seated 2 to 4 feet away.

Plasma panels do not run in total silence. They do buzz as a normal part of their operation, but this level of buzz is quite low and may beintermittently noticed in quiet surroundings, many factors can influence this.

Changing the picture mode in the picture settings menu between dynamic/normal/cinema will also reduce the level of perceived noise since this affects how much power the panel is processing and this the level of power produced.

Having too much brightness and contrast with the dynamic mode setting on,can overdrive the panel and cause louder buzz levels with strong picture signals i.e. DVD or Sky digital signals. Changing these settings can lower the level of buzz produced. Use ‘normal’ picture mode and lower brightness/contrast settings to reduce this effect.

It is normal for the buzz tone and level to change the picture content because the panel drive circuits are processing different amounts of power and adapting their drive cycles.

Hard wall surface i.e. painted/wooden panels will be more effective reflectors than say walls that are covered in softer finishes, wall papered or curtained.

Please ensure these facts are understood and check your panel against a dealers display unit before requesting service, since abnormal levels of buzz are not always ‘abnormal’ but just the normal operating buzz of plasma technology.

All this may be true, but none of it explains why more people are complaining about the buzz from Pio's plasmas than other manufacturers'. I had a 150fd and reluctantly returned it because the buzz -- particularly the way it increased with bright scenes -- was too distracting (from 16' across the room). The Panasonic plasmas also buzz, but their buzz is only apparent on either side, not the front; of course, the PQ isn't as good, but that's a whole other issue.

My theory is, Pioneer uses only one pane of glass, and it's thinner than before, so it allows more of the normal plasma buzz to leak through the panel into the room. By contrast, the Panasonic has two thicker panes of glass, which block more of the buzz.

An LCD display has essentially no buzz, for what it's worth.

Personally, I find the Pio's buzzing very frustrating, because the PQ and sound Q are clearly the best out there. The Panasonic looks dull by comparison, and its speakers are a little tinny. The Sony XBR has a bright, crisp picture with colors and blacks that somewhat remind me of the Pio, but it still has some weird LCD motion blur (to my eye) with fast-moving objects.

Sadly, as much as we all hate to admit it, flat-screen technology today is still a case of "pick your poison."
post #10312 of 17517
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Originally Posted by nhey View Post

I'll be receiving my 50 inch 110FD next week. What are the dimensions of it's pedestal stand? (length and depth)

Roughly 22" across, 12" deep.
post #10313 of 17517
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Originally Posted by Cleop View Post

Sadly, as much as we all hate to admit it, flat-screen technology today is still a case of "pick your poison."

Well put. I couldn't agree with you more.
post #10314 of 17517
no no

this is a high tech forum - step up the game......

tape a laser level to your head with the laser shooting out at the level of your eyes and have someone put little tape dots on your wall where the laser is pointing to find the sweet spot - LOL

regards


ok -- everyone understand this is a little bit of humor so enjoy in the spirit

I'm still having my internal debate on buying the pio 6010 or a samsung 6374............... just after the holiday.

I'm just not yet convinced to lay down the scratch for a 150FD as I'll also be replacing my 6 year old Denon receiver with a new one - likely the 4308ci



decisions decisions

happy holidays



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Originally Posted by maxdb View Post

To get the best height for any video display, sit in your normal location/chair/couch whatever. Have somebody else measure how high your eyes are from the floor - you can't usually do a good job of this yourself due to the sides of the chair/couch, etc. If your eyes are, for example, 34" from the floor, the center of your screen should be 34" from the floor. If your SCREEN (not the whole thing, just the area with the image, is 26", the middle is 13" and if the bottom frame is 3" high, you'd want the bottom edge of the screen to be 34-13-3=18" from the floor. Most flat panels hung on walls are hung WAY WAY too high for viewing comfort. You don't want to be looking up all the time, that gets real old, real fast... like sitting too close to the screen in a movie theater.

Exceptions: The farther away you sit, the less important the height is - the closer you sit, the more importat it is for the height to be optimum. (But the farther you sit, the less detail you'll see in HDTV images - 6.5' from a 50" screen is NOT too close believe it or not.). Installations in exercise rooms may work out better with the display higher... or not. All depends on the equipment, space, and arrangement of everything.
post #10315 of 17517
The panel does buzz, but on my set it seems like the X and Y drives buzz louder. I guess it is hard to tell from a viewing position which you are actually hearing.

Can someone who has a set that doesn't buzz confirm if they hear any buzz from the glass itself, or from the rear at all?
post #10316 of 17517
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Originally Posted by 1080pixel View Post

I included the pix of the white lines at the top edge of the video display area on my 5010. I have DirecTV HD service. HDMI straight from HD receiver to TV.

The line is broken into segments. Some segments flash on and off very fast.

It happens mostly during commercial although I saw it with a National Geo Channel program where there were pillars on left and right.

I also see it on the left edge of the video display area of a 4:3 signal signal.

DirecTV has no idea. Pioneer says it's the signal from DirecTV.

Any idea? Thanks.

Not sure if this will help on a 5010, but I've seen this on my 5080 and when I turn the orbiter off the lines go away.
post #10317 of 17517
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Originally Posted by adamwc1776 View Post

I've experienced other plasmas. Nothing in my experience matches the 110 for color quality, sharpness, optimization/customization options. I even think the speakers that come with the tv are really great, though of course I'm watching movies with a home theater setup.

I'm not sure what to do now. I'm pretty sure that if I pay for another exchange (that would be $240 total spent on exchanges!) that I'm going to end up with the same result. I may be able to go through this one more time, but I just don't know. I have sensitive hearing (everyone tells me this), and I'm also a bit of a perfectionist. But I'm not crazy. The buzz is so intense that I can hear it while sitting with my head centered vertically and horizontally in front of the tv at a distance of 18 feet. I'm not straining to hear this. Even my wife is picking it up. It's a noise. Sitting off-axis, it almost entirely disappears.

But my sweet spot centered seating position is within 10 feet, which makes the buzz issue even worse. Power Mode 2, monitor at D-Nice's reference settings, with the Contrast and Brightness a little lower..... volume on the tv set to 25 watching Lost (brief break from the break-in disc) and I can hear the buzz during quiet exchanges between characters.

I upgraded from the 1150 to the 110 for the additional realism and dimensionality of the 1080p set. I got what I paid for. Plus a buzz.

Honestly, I can't imagine how the hell I'd be able to live with this compromise. To own this television and not be able to sit centered in front of it is ludicrous.


I feel your pain, man. I had the EXACT same problem with my 5080. The first plasma I bought was a Samsung 50 incher, and it was silent as silent can be. But when the unit warmed up, the screen started to flicker. So, I took it back to BestBuy and got an LG plasma. The LG buzzed so loud I thought my ears were going to bleed. Took it back and got the Pioneer 5080. The Pioneer buzzed, too (although not quite as loud as the LG), and I decided that I absolutely could not convince myself to live with it. No matter what I tried, the sound would not go away. It was driving me totally bonkers. I took the Pioneer back to BestBuy, got my money back, and decided that I'm fed up with plasma TVs for a while.

Oh, and the buzz was coming directly from the front of the panel, not from the rear of the unit. As someone else mentioned, the sound followed a white test pattern as it moved across the screen.
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this problem seems to happen more on Nat Geographic Channel HD than others.
Although I see it with non-HD commercials during local ABC News HD.

So in the case of National Geographic Channel, who is the "station" and who is the "programming carrier"? Sorry if this question is too trivia.

Here's a link to the home page for the station National Geographic Channel

The program carrier is your cable, satellite or Verizon provider.

-Robert
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Why do they get $80 if you return a set they sold you that was defective?

All plasma's generate inherent sound. If I'm annoyed by it, doesn't mean it's a defective product, I've been told. The labor of the two guys who come and exchange the plasma is what I'm paying for. Somebody has to pay them. I think it should be Pioneer.

My first attempt at a Kuro was the 1150, and though it hummed, its inherent sound was inaudible from all of my seating positions. That's to say, with only the tv running the break-in disc using D-Nice's settings, I heard no buzz in the room from any position. When I approached the tv and put my head behind the panel, then I could hear a hum. I returned this tv to upgrade to the 110 for image quality reasons.

After reading about people's buzzless 110's here on the forum, I decided to try for a second 110. Here's where I'm at.

I've got the set about 1 foot away from a concrete wall. Ned I've tried putting some pillows back there, also cut some ultra thick noise canceling foam and experimented with different angles back there (I have access to this stuff because I'm a video producer), all to no avail. This was not surprising. When I'm right in front of the set and lower my head to hear the buzz, it clearly emanates directly from the smack-dab vertical and horizontal center of the panel. It gets louder as my head approaches the center from either side, top and bottom. If the noise were being reflected by the wall, it wouldn't be so sharp.

jfz, the buzz definitely isn't coming from the speakers. With or without the speakers connected, I'm hearing the same buzz, same intensity.

My next step is to have my Best Buy guy come over and experience this himself. I know him. He would definitely return the set. I want him to experience my frustration first-hand and give me a break on the cost of replacing it. I don't know if I have the heart to go through with the replacement and then end up with a set that has the same loud buzz, but not having to pay for the whole process would help.

You're all great for your advice. I honestly do completely love this monitor. I love how movies look on it. I've commented before on the impact of the Kuro's detail and dimensionality and I'm still not used to how great it is. I would recommend it, wholeheartedly, and especially to deaf people.

Hoping for "the best", expecting (at the very least) "better" ,
Adam
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As I always say try out his settings and if you love them then keep them. ISF has known to make a difference.

Roman i just purchased a 6010FD from Invision today and had a great expierance on thre phone with Deb.She did a great job informing me about the 6010.I live in NH and you have the best deals i have found.I have spent 2 months looking for a great seller like Invision.I need a link to the Referance settings by d-nice for the 6010.Ihave the break in settings and will use them to start the break in time.After that i need the referance settings.I will have it calibrated after 300 hrs. of use as i believe calibration is the best .I have had all my rear pro sets cal and it makes a big viewing change for the best picture. Thanks again for the great service by Invision.
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