The Official Pioneer 8G KURO Owner's Discussions Thread - Page 357

Yeah, my 110FD definitely has fans, but they have never turned on. I was wondering what would cause them to turn on - is there a set temperature where they turn on and I wonder what it is?

I have a 50080 and am considering buying a Toshiba HD-A3 player to go along with my BDP-300. The HD-A3 player only outputs 720p and I'm wondering if there will be a noticible difference in quality between the A3 and a different HD-DVD player that outputs 1080p? I know my 5080 "only" has a resolution of 768, but will the extra information of a 1080p signal that my Pioneer receives and then rescales affect my picture quality at all?

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The A3 also does 1080i. The next step up in image quality would be the A35 or XA2 which do 1080p/24fps. Many people will not see much difference though.

Why all of the sudden is there more talk about "buzzing" with the 8G sets. I don't remember people complaining about buzzing with the 5070's. If you think your set has a buzzing problem please chime in...not sure I want to plunk to the cash for a TV with an annoying buzz.

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Tomorrow morning I'm exchanging my 2nd 110 for my 3rd 110. I sincerely hope that my quest for a 110 that doesn't buzz loudly is about to come to an end. I will know if kuro nirvana has been reached within moments of it being plugged in and turned on.

If I hear the tv buzzing before any sources are connected, with the panel on but a completely black screen, then I'll have the delivery dudes take both sets back and hope that Pio solves this in 9G. Although having no tv would probably result in significantly higher levels of productivity in 2008, I am desperately hopeful that I will end up with a beautiful and silent kuro.

What store did you purchase from that has been nice enough to swap out 2 sets?

This buzzing issue, although it still only affects a minority of Kuros is a concern. Even if the percentage of unacceptably loud buzzing is only 10-15%, that's about 10-15% too much ... unless the set is being used at a high altitude.

Well, I finally pulled the trigger and bought a Pio 5080 and paired it with a Toshiba A30 hd-dvd player. Both arrive tomorrow. Other than the break in dvd, is there any "must do" things right off the bat I need to do to ensure I get up and running without any glitches?

How does the altitude effect the tv? Is the buzzing more of a problem on the 1080p sets or does the 5080 buzz just the same...this really blows!

No, 1080p sets don't buzz anymore than 768P displays. I haven't figured out why there apparently is a louder than normal buzzing with some Kuros.

As far as alttitude and buzzing, Plasma screens are assembled at a lower altitude and sealed. When they’re brought up to a higher alttitude, they can buzz. Not all do, and not all buzzing is equally annoying.

Well I was going to buy from one of the respected forum sponsors but rather than save a few hundred bucks I'd rather buy locally and at least have the option of returning the display based on whether I feel the buzz is acceptable or not. Online vendors won't replace the TV, but they'll send out a local repair guy and he'll probably say its normal to have the buzzing and then guess what...you're stuck with it! Not fair when you think about it but good news for local retailers I guess...I hate paying sales tax!!!!

oh i'm nervous... just finished my basement and ready to order the 6010fd or pany 58pz750u. wife is like ... just order the dang thing already... it's alot of $ for a tv. just not used to it. last tv i bought was a 32" sony 10 years ago for around $650. things have changed.

If it is only the sales tax difference, I think that is smart buying it from a local brick & mortar place. I'm going to shop around and try to negotiate, but if the local guys won't budge off their crazy price, online I go and hope the best. Good luck. Part of me wants to avoid the whole buzz issue, save same cash, and get the pany 58pz750u, but i've seen the kuro and the picture is sick! Got to have it!! Groan! I guess it's a good problem to have.

I know how you feel. I debated for so long and finally just decided on the 150FD. If I'm going to spend this much I rather just get the best, however the wait for it has been rough as they have been in short supply this fall/early winter.

I wish I would have done that, I'm one of the *unlucky* ones here with a buzzing 6010FD. I purchased it online and got a really good price on it, but the buzzing isn't that bad to warrant me going through the entire hassle to have Pioneer say that it is *normal*. Oh well. If i were to do it over I would purchased it locally for the reason you stated. Good luck ...

when u do this with the ps3 does it come up saying 24p on the tv, or you get that warning from teh PS3 saying 24hz has been enabled?

If the TV is correctly supporting it you should get the message from the PS3 when you set 24hz to ON. Otherwise you just get a black screen and then it flicks back to standard.

Are you happy with Bluray playback on the set?

I did the same and pulled the trigger (well my Wife did for me for XMas)on the Pro-110FD. I'm in love with the thing. I used to think is it really worth the money? YES! It's truly worth every single penny. I'm so glad I chose this over the XBR4/5 or the Panny. Couldn't be happier.

Not 1080p per se, but bigger display=more chance of hearing it when it's powered. No way around this really. It's what many are failing to realize I think.

Imagine the noise a 60 inch direct view CRT would make if there were such a thing.

I have a 5080 and use a A2. You will be very pleased! As far as the advice there is more than a ton on this site....Sometimes so eminence that it is intimating.

I don't believe you need to run a dvd break-in period...But this is IMHO

A few things: Try and run without black bars for a couple of weeks. That's not to say not to watch a show or two with them, just not hours on end.

Watch a number of different source material. Cable (std-hd) dvd (hd and sd) Satellite ect,,,,

Run settings to match your equipment as D-Nice explained on page one of the KURO settings thread.

Sit back and enjoy one of the best purchases you have ever made.

I have a 5080 and use a A2. You will be very pleased! As far as the advice there is more than a ton on this site....Sometimes so much that it is intimating.

I don't believe you need to run a dvd break-in period...But this is IMHO

A few things: Try and run without black bars for a couple of weeks. That's not to say not to watch a show or two with them, just not hours on end.

Watch a number of different source material. Cable (std-hd) dvd (hd and sd) Satellite ect,,,,

Run settings to match your equipment as D-Nice explained on page one of the KURO settings thread.

Sit back and enjoy one of the best purchases you have ever made.

Seems like some of you are on the fence, partially due to price. If you are in the NY metro area, send rino13 (Sam) a pm, he hooked me up on a 150FD and 95FD. You may be surprised what is possible at a B&M dealer. I have been enjoying the combination for about 3 weeks, a truely jaw dropping experience........

I can hear a slight buzz about 11 feet away, but only dead center in front of the display, and with no sound. I tried to measure it with my sound meter, I couldn't really quantify it. This helped me decide maybe I am splitting hairs. I decided it is kind of like a perfect storm that rarely happens during normal viewing, ie sitting in the right/wrong spot, having a certain content on the display (the frequency does change with screen content), and having a quite passage. I honestly find myself so drawn into the content of what I am watching the buzzing is not much of an issue.

I have the 6010FD and i have been doing this set up for 2 weeks with great results.Use d-nice settings for your brand of cable box and you will have an outstanding picture.I have seen many video displays and none have compaired to the picture i am seeing with my 6010FD.Use d-nice referance setting once your unit has reached the breakin time.I am from Atkinson NH and purchased mine from INVISION DISPLAYS with great service.I was a afraid to purchase on line but no dealer in my area could beat thier price and quality of service.I am in video heaven with my PIONEER 6010.

call Roman and Deb...I ordered mine last Friday and it arrived yesterday morning. I set it up and everything looks great. Price was as good as you can find anywhere

Best Buy in NYC, the Magnolia Store. I've paid for the delivery service, but it's worth every penny to me to end up with what I want.

Just informed me that the tv didn't come in on time. So, no replacement today. Soon, though. They sent tech dudes out to check out my situation and confirmed that they hear the buzz from my sweet spot, though in their opinion it was normal.

It isn't normal because I've had a kuro (1150) that was quiet from the same position, just not a 110 yet. I know it's out there. I can't hear it breathing. :-)

The internal fan cools down the MTB and Power blocks.
For the internal fan:

36.0 ºC and 39.0 ºC: Once fan has turned on these temperatures must be reached for the fan to return to low (39.0 ºC) and stop (36.0 ºC) conditions

39.0 ºC: Fan on low

42.0 ºC: Fan on high

62.0 ºC: Shut down unit

The external fans cool down the whole unit.
For the three external fans:

36.5 ºC and 46.0 ºC: Once fans have turned on these temperatures must be reached for the fans to return to low (46.0 ºC) and stop (36.5 ºC) conditions

38.5 ºC: Fans on at low

46.0 ºC to 60.0 ºC: Fan speed increases in 4 steps

62.0 ºC: Shut down of unit

I agree. I've done a little more research and this appears to be a bigger problem than I originally thought.

I hope Pioneer is addressing this issue. It really irritates me when the seller, Pioneer or members say this abnormally loud buzzing, that can be heard from an average seated postion, is normal. The buzzing that many are reporting is not normal plasma buzzing. I've been around top of the line plasmas for about 6 years and while I've always been able to hear a slight buzzing ... from Pannys, Fujitsus and Pioneers ... from the back of the display with the sound turned off, I've never heard buzzing from a normal seated position.

The loud buzzing being reported by a growing minority is surprising and is not normal; anyone who says that this amount of buzzing is normal doesn't want to deal with what is clearly a defect with some Kuros.

It also appears that the complaints come from owners of all displays in the Kuro line. In other words, the abnormal buzzing is not limited to non-elite Vs elite or 768 Vs 1080p. This buzzing must be related to the new Kuro design, since owners of prior generation Pioneers have not reported this issue; but why on some Kuros and not on others?

In an unscientific poll, on this forum, 22% of Kuro owners reported buzzing that was "annoying" or was "the reason they returned the set". http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/poll....ts&pollid=5659 That's an absurdly high percentage for a [the] top of the line plasma.


Normal, my a**.

I've owned three plasmas: Panny, NEC , Pio.

There were complaints of buzzing about all three from various owners. There were polls here about the issues as well. There were assumptions made that some had "normal" buzzing and some had "excessive" buzzing in each case. There were always owners who insisted they had "completely silent" panels with zero buzz even from the back of the set. There were always owners who found the buzzing too annoying and returned their sets. The majority I think noticed some buzzing when the volume was low and/or ambient noise levels were quiet but still have their sets and are ok with it.

You see the same complaints about fan noise with various components here as well.

These are just observations from experience here over time and I'm not necessarily drawing any conclusions.

I've been around this forum about the same amount of time as you have and I don't remember hearing this level of discussion about abnormally loud buzzing from owners of previous models from Panasonic, Fujitsu or Pioneer.

There actually was quite a bit of discussion several years ago regarding Fujitsu panels buzzing. I never heard any of that with any of the Fujitsus I owned and, frankly, I don't hear it with either of my Pioneers. If I go right up to them I can hear it, but it's no different than it was with my Fujtisus.

Hi!

I would like to buy me the 150FD but I am in Austria (Europe). Are there any issues (beside the 110/220 Volt) that I cant use the plasma as you guys in the states? I have read that the tuner only supports NTSC format - that does not bother me because I use satellite!.

Does the plasma support PAL?

I did research on pio homepage but it does not clearly state that the plasma comes with speakers?!?!

I know this thread is not about prices but a hint on the the average street price would be great!

best greetings from Austria

Alex