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post #16621 of 17538
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

At this point in time has there been any release, or info, in regards to a specific Pioneer Kuro plasma screen glass cleaning chemical agent that is safe on the optical filter layer? Or is the only solution that stupid (so-called) micro-fibre cloth that is incluided in the unit (and leaves fine scratches)?


FWIW..

I was just at a local dealer event (grand opening) where there were Elite reps present. I queried one of the reps about the cleaning of Pio's glass panels. Amazingly, he said I could use just about any good glass cleaner, including Windex. He confirmed the front panel is solid glass with no filter coating on it's front surface -- ie; the filtering is built in behind the protective glass. His only caveat in cleaning with liquids is to not use them when the screen is on and warm.

However, I have a Pro-110 and have yet a need to clean the panel since I bought it a month and half ago.

If someone has a broken panel it would be interesting to have all these suspicions put to rest by experimenting with a harsh agent such as acetone or lacquer thinner -- or even steel wool -- as proof of surface composition.
post #16622 of 17538
Don't know if this is the right thread for this query or not but I'll put it out there in case someone is familiar with this discussion:

I am trying to set up my set (pro110) to receive OTA (over the air) channels. I am using the ant-A input because it will accept both analog and digital signals (whereas ant-B is for analog only). The antenna is on a rotator.

So far it seems the only way I can get a lineup of acceptably strong channel signals is by having the tv's tuner in "auto channel preset" mode.

This becomes problematic when the antenna is then rotated further to pick up other stations and the tv dumping the previous presets and starting to compile a new list -- it doesn't add to the previous list (there is different channel reception at different antenna locations and I have no idea what's out there to manually tune to).

Any experience and advice with this process is appreciated.
post #16623 of 17538
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Originally Posted by jacksim View Post

FWIW..

I was just at a local dealer event (grand opening) where there were Elite reps present. I queried one of the reps about the cleaning of Pio's glass panels. Amazingly, he said I could use just about any good glass cleaner, including Windex. He confirmed the front panel is solid glass with no filter coating on it's front surface -- ie; the filtering is built in behind the protective glass. His only caveat in cleaning with liquids is to not use them when the screen is on and warm.

However, I have a Pro-110 and have yet a need to clean the panel since I bought it a month and half ago.

If someone has a broken panel it would be interesting to have all these suspicions put to rest by experimenting with a harsh agent such as acetone or lacquer thinner -- or even steel wool -- as proof of surface composition.

there is no suspicions...that Pioneer rep was wrong. The color filter that Pioneer uses is bonded to the outside of the glass. Just take a good light and look closely and you can tell the surface is not glass like smooth, that is the bonded color filter you are looking at not the glass surface.


You should have had them clean a panel with windex or better yet the monster cleaner product at that grand opening. That pioneer rep would have gotten good training seeing one of the dealer stores panels get screwed up.
post #16624 of 17538
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Originally Posted by jacksim View Post

...I have no idea what's out there to manually tune to).

Any experience and advice with this process is appreciated.

AntennaWeb can help you determine which stations are available at your location, and provide the information to help you tune them manually.
post #16625 of 17538
I just purchased a PDP-5010, to be delivered Tuesday. Question: Does the stand and speakers come attached or will I have to assembly and attach?
post #16626 of 17538
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Originally Posted by schandorsky View Post

I just purchased a PDP-5010, to be delivered Tuesday. Question: Does the stand and speakers come attached or will I have to assembly and attach?

stand is attached, speakers are in one bar, and it is not attached.
post #16627 of 17538
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Originally Posted by dssturbo1 View Post



You should have had them clean a panel with windex or better yet the monster cleaner product at that grand opening. That pioneer rep would have gotten good training seeing one of the dealer stores panels get screwed up.

As long as they would replace it for the dealer right away
post #16628 of 17538
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Originally Posted by dtrell View Post

stand is attached, speakers are in one bar, and it is not attached.

Thanks
post #16629 of 17538
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Originally Posted by jacksim View Post

FWIW..

I was just at a local dealer event (grand opening) where there were Elite reps present. I queried one of the reps about the cleaning of Pio's glass panels. Amazingly, he said I could use just about any good glass cleaner, including Windex. He confirmed the front panel is solid glass with no filter coating on it's front surface -- ie; the filtering is built in behind the protective glass. His only caveat in cleaning with liquids is to not use them when the screen is on and warm.

It's pretty sad that this rep was so clueless. I recently read a thread here about some guy dropping a screwdriver as he was preparing to set up his display which happened to be on the floor and leaning against the wall. The tool bounced of the floor and scratched the coating on his panel.
post #16630 of 17538
Hi, i've had my PRO-150HD now for about a year, and I absolutely love the picture on this baby. In the past I had my RP TVs (both Toshiba) calibrated and IMHO it made a huge improvement. I now sit here and watch a BD (Dave Mathews & Tim Reynolds) on the PS3 and wonder how the picture can get any better? So my question is, will getting an ISF calibration done on this set do anything that I will see? Because I already know that any of my guests would never see a difference, as they are not HT enthusiasts like myself.

Thanks for reading.
Steve
post #16631 of 17538
a "good" calibration will make a visual difference... i have a 150fd... looked great out of the box... looked better with the d-nice "generic" settings... then umr calibrated it, and it went to a different level...

ymmv... keep in mind that not all calibrators are made equal... no offense to the geek squad crew, but i wouldn't let one of those guys within 100 feet of my set... if you are going to get it done, i suggest spending the money and getting one of the "pros" to do it...
post #16632 of 17538
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

a "good" calibration will make a visual difference... i have a 150fd... looked great out of the box... looked better with the d-nice "generic" settings... then umr calibrated it, and it went to a different level...

ymmv... keep in mind that not all calibrators are made equal... no offense to the geek squad crew, but i wouldn't let one of those guys within 100 feet of my set... if you are going to get it done, i suggest spending the money and getting one of the "pros" to do it...

I too have a 150fd that looked great out of the box, better when I plugged in D'Nice's settings, better when I used D'Nice's updated settings and much better than all of that after umr calibrated mine. I could not agree more here, get a pro, and if in quandary of which one, may I suggest umr?

BTW, the best Elite dealer I know is:

Alan Levens
Audio Video Designs
Corpus Christi, Tx 78411

Phone 361 857-7236

I bought mine from him, and he was great to deal with.
post #16633 of 17538
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Originally Posted by dssturbo1 View Post

there is no suspicions...that Pioneer rep was wrong. The color filter that Pioneer uses is bonded to the outside of the glass. Just take a good light and look closely and you can tell the surface is not glass like smooth, that is the bonded color filter you are looking at not the glass surface.


You should have had them clean a panel with windex or better yet the monster cleaner product at that grand opening. That pioneer rep would have gotten good training seeing one of the dealer stores panels get screwed up.



Even better again ..we should have got his business card and tried to post it here!

But yeah, Windex: that would have been a good scene, huh!
But the place was too busy with about 10 shiny-suited industry booze/schmoozers and we didn't wish to spoil their little party by putting Windex on(in?) their glass. And I doubt the retailer would care to fully explore any experiments either -- as it was they were like a bunch of giddy little girls with all the reps in there.

Interestingly, during conversation when I did bring in some comments vis a vis this forum regarding the Pio's various "attributes", he (and the rest) seemed a tad upset ..so we moved on, and out the door. I guess they didn't enoy being upstaged by a "customer". So of course the big question on our minds was why the public was invited here in the first place?

Anyway, back at home I did run the back of my fingernails gently across the screen and yep, it does feel like some sort of coating on there.

I will error on the side of caution and stick to the tips on this forum.

Otherwise, this tv is awesome. Can't believe how good it scales SD cable.

Thanks again to everyone for all the setup details as well as general help in ferreting out this particular set purchase.
post #16634 of 17538
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Originally Posted by Macfan424 View Post

AntennaWeb can help you determine which stations are available at your location, and provide the information to help you tune them manually.


Thanks for the link but AntennaWeb is kinda nebulous here in this part of Canada (Victoria, BC); TVFool is a touch better but again not very accurate

According to the user manual, the tuners on these sets can be set manually only when in analog, not digital which is automatic scan -- this is my problem.

**

So in order to help piece this together, I wonder where some technical specs on the Pio tuners can be found? It would be interesting to know what the dbm "cutoff point" point on them is (at what point do the tuners lock into the channels, especially digital).

Anyone?
post #16635 of 17538
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Originally Posted by ROMAN O View Post

As long as they would replace it for the dealer right away

yes, of course Roman,
post #16636 of 17538
I have been trying to do some testing with recent firmware upgrades to my XA2. I'm trying to figure out how I can tell what frame rate is being sent to my 6010 from the XA2. I asked on the HD DVD thread and they said it would be a display function on my TV. But I can't find anything in the manual or in this thread that tells my how to determine what it is receiving.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
post #16637 of 17538
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Originally Posted by tristan2 View Post

I have been trying to do some testing with recent firmware upgrades to my XA2. I'm trying to figure out how I can tell what frame rate is being sent to my 6010 from the XA2. I asked on the HD DVD thread and they said it would be a display function on my TV. But I can't find anything in the manual or in this thread that tells my how to determine what it is receiving.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

Service Menu will give you that info or you can change HDMI input
to PC and check to see if the panel is in 24hz mode.

1. Press Home Menu
2. Select Option
3. Select HDMI input
4. Select Signal type
5. Select PC

After all that push the display button on the remote.

Make sure you change it back to Video when your done because
I believe the orbiter is disabled in PC mode.
post #16638 of 17538
Thanks!
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Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

Service Menu will give you that info or you can change HDMI input
to PC and check to see if the panel is in 24hz mode.

1. Press Home Menu
2. Select Option
3. Select HDMI input
4. Select Signal type
5. Select PC

After all that push the display button on the remote.

Make sure you change it back to Video when your done because
I believe the orbiter is disabled in PC mode.
post #16639 of 17538
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Originally Posted by jacksim View Post

Don't know if this is the right thread for this query or not but I'll put it out there in case someone is familiar with this discussion:

I am trying to set up my set (pro110) to receive OTA (over the air) channels. I am using the ant-A input because it will accept both analog and digital signals (whereas ant-B is for analog only). The antenna is on a rotator.

So far it seems the only way I can get a lineup of acceptably strong channel signals is by having the tv's tuner in "auto channel preset" mode.

This becomes problematic when the antenna is then rotated further to pick up other stations and the tv dumping the previous presets and starting to compile a new list -- it doesn't add to the previous list (there is different channel reception at different antenna locations and I have no idea what's out there to manually tune to).

Any experience and advice with this process is appreciated.


I've inquired about this in the past with little or no response so I assume there isn't a solution. My experience is the same as you've witnessed that when auto tuning the previously stored channels are erased so that I can only store channels from one direction only which is inconvenient to say the least.

I have an eight bay UHF antenna with a rotor so that I can tune to channels from the south or from the north but sometimes I can receive channels from the back side of the antenna. But normally when tuning to southern channels the northern channels are not stored and when I point the antenna to the north the southern channels are not scanned or stored.

The only suggestion I have is to wait until reception is ideal and try to scan both directions at the same time by positioning the antenna so that channels will be tuned from the front side and back side of the antenna in unison. You can test the position by checking analog channels which can be tuned manually. Sadly this isn't a cure all in that not all channels will be received from one rotor position. Perhaps the folks at the OTA Reception Forum can be of further assistance. Good luck, please keep us posted.
post #16640 of 17538
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Originally Posted by estop View Post

I've inquired about this in the past with little or no response so I assume there isn't a solution. My experience is the same as you've witnessed that when auto tuning the previously stored channels are erased so that I can only store channels from one direction only which is inconvenient to say the least.

I have an eight bay UHF antenna with a rotor so that I can tune to channels from the south or from the north but sometimes I can receive channels from the back side of the antenna. But normally when tuning to southern channels the northern channels are not stored and when I point the antenna to the north the southern channels are not scanned or stored.

The only suggestion I have is to wait until reception is ideal and try to scan both directions at the same time by positioning the antenna so that channels will be tuned from the front side and back side of the antenna in unison. You can test the position by checking analog channels which can be tuned manually. Sadly this isn't a cure all in that not all channels will be received from one rotor position. Perhaps the folks at the OTA Reception Forum can be of further assistance. Good luck, please keep us posted.


Thanks for laying it out in a concise form, estop.
I don't like to cross-post but I think in this circumstance there might be more (general) info in that forum as you suggest. This forum was specifically accessed because of this particular brand of tv used and it apparent reception problem.
post #16641 of 17538
Just discovered I have the dreaded horizontal "streaking" issue. I have never really noticed it before, have had the 5010 about 3 months now. I was watching "I am Legend" last night on DTV HD, and there is a scene near the end where the scene fades to a totally white screen for a few seconds, just before fading into another scene. The screen has very visible horizontal streaks that go from edge to edge, and are about 2 inches wide. They are interspersed with lighter areas, so that the effect from the top to the bottom of the screen is similar to the stripes on our American flag, just less perfectly straight along the edge. This is the second time I've noticed this on a totally white screen. It looks to my eyes to be the filter that's bonded to the outside of the screen....... like they didn't apply it evenly or something. I went back and searched on this and it seems to be a common problem on these sets. Anyone have a definitive answer? Is it the filter on the glass?

John
post #16642 of 17538
I was finally able to get my 110FD properly calibrated: Thank you Michael TLV Chen! What a difference it has made. I had two attempts by a local calibrator, the first of which was clearly wrong and the second, which looked better, but somehow not quite right. As it turned out, the gamma was way off (as in too high in the upper range: a convex hump rather than a concave rise), the black level (brightness) was much to high on my DVD input...well that was enough to throw everything off.

Michael educated me throughout the entire process, but I declined to take the final exam on how well I'd learned the course content. A lot of fun and he enjoys dialogue.

The first attempt using Pure mode resulted in that same skewed gamma, so he shifted to Movie for my DVD component input. Ahh, much better. I don't know why the gamma problem occurred in Pure...perhaps just my particular set. As well he calibrated ISFDay for D65 and ISFNight for D55. Very interesting that the brightness was lowered considerably from the earlier calibration...ahh, that may be why I was losing shadow detail.

Next on to the HDMI satellite input. Michael put on a greyscale test pattern and immediately commented that it was just wrong. Calibration again really improved the picture. Oh and by the way, CS1 was used rather than CS2 for all calibrated modes. ISFDay and User mode were set up for me and I left ISFNight at the old calibration for a comparison.

Results? Overall, very good colour saturation and accuracy; skin tones right on; dark scenes and shadow details are excellent; shifting light transitions are very smooth; the picture just looks right. One of the most noticeable changes is what I like to call “revealing.” This is similar to an excellent audio system: it reveals all the subtle differences of instrumental timbres, recording venues, musicianship, recording frequency balance, etc. This means that no two recordings sound the same in their audio qualities: the more differences you can hear, the more revealing the system. And in the video realm? All the subtle (and not so subtle) changes in lighting tones are clearly evident as you move from scene to scene. Colour shifts such as changing sunlight conditions, changing locations, etc., are easily perceived. No apparent loss of information, as in no black or white crush and no more straining to see details in dark scenes...they are just there. Films are much more involving as you are drawn into the reality created by the film maker. Different shows clearly have different colour “moods”and if something doesn’t look right, I can now trust that it is a problem with the source or that the creators of the film messed up (e.g., chose a lighting which fails to support the dramatic intention of the scene) .

Thank you again Michael...you are an artist!

P.S. Those coloured plastic strips often used in calibrations do not have a consistent tint from batch to batch, e.g., I compared three blue ones and all were different!
post #16643 of 17538
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Originally Posted by antennahead View Post

Just discovered I have the dreaded horizontal "streaking" issue. I have never really noticed it before, have had the 5010 about 3 months now. I was watching "I am Legend" last night on DTV HD, and there is a scene near the end where the scene fades to a totally white screen for a few seconds, just before fading into another scene. The screen has very visible horizontal streaks that go from edge to edge, and are about 2 inches wide. They are interspersed with lighter areas, so that the effect from the top to the bottom of the screen is similar to the stripes on our American flag, just less perfectly straight along the edge. This is the second time I've noticed this on a totally white screen. It looks to my eyes to be the filter that's bonded to the outside of the screen....... like they didn't apply it evenly or something. I went back and searched on this and it seems to be a common problem on these sets. Anyone have a definitive answer? Is it the filter on the glass?

John

I see the dreaded "swirl" effect on my PRO-150FD too. I believe it is caused by something behind the glass.
post #16644 of 17538
I have owned two 5010s and have seen the horizontal streaking effect on both. I am particularly sensitive to this however, because I went through 5, yes five, sharps with banding. I thought about taking the last 5010 back when I noticed it, but then decided I can live with it as it is only visible on very bright white screens or when the camera pans up and down (which is much more rare than side to side).
post #16645 of 17538
Is it possible to get the 110 and 150 new for a good price? Are they even available anymore? Tweeter has the 110 for under 3, but it's a floor model and has been turned on in the store since it came out. No thanks...
post #16646 of 17538
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Originally Posted by facesnorth View Post

Is it possible to get the 110 and 150 new for a good price? Are they even available anymore? Tweeter has the 110 for under 3, but it's a floor model and has been turned on in the store since it came out. No thanks...

Its very hard to find them. Most of them will be Demo's or returns. I would look at the new units as they are starting to come down.
post #16647 of 17538
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Originally Posted by Beowulf57 View Post

I was finally able to get my 110FD properly calibrated: Thank you Michael TLV Chen! What a difference it has made.

Thanks for the PM alerting me to your calibration report. I've included it in the flat panel (Post#2) list that's linked at the bottom of my post.

Enjoy.
post #16648 of 17538
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Thanks for the PM alerting me to your calibration report. I've included it in the flat panel (Post#2) list that's linked at the bottom of my post.

Enjoy.

You are most welcome...and enjoying is very easy now!
post #16649 of 17538
The price on the PDP-5010FD just keeps on going down!

post #16650 of 17538
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Originally Posted by Agent_C View Post

The price on the PDP-5010FD just keeps on going down!

Wow! That's a killer deal!
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