The Official Pioneer 8G KURO Owner's Discussions Thread - Page 68

Originally Posted by Curly Woods

OK

I have two specific seating locations: 7' and 11'. The 7' distance is where I sit 80% of the time. I am looking at those killer photos posted by Mark and my interest is seriously stoked! I am going back and forth whether to purchase the 720P Pioneer 5080 or the 1080P Panasonic 50PX700.
I love all of the pluses that the Pioneer seems to offer, but the lure of a 1080P display of what seems to be excellent quality is hard to fight. I am at my limit cost wise so waiting for the 1080P Pioneer 50" is not an option for me. I have been to BB and the Pioneer and the Panansonic are not too much different to me as they sit on the display wall and I lack any experience with any HDTV's so I am a fish out of water. The Panasonic did seem to get "blocky" with sudden color changes sometimes, but I did not see this happen everytime there was a scene change of sudden color shift. It may have been my imagination to I guess.
What would you if you had the same seating distance issues as I have here? TIA!

Originally Posted by skywlkrsnd

Hello all. Long-time browser, first-time poster. I'd like to thank everyone for all their thoughts and input regarding these new KUROs. I've had a 27" ProScan tube for a long time and was due for an update. Was nearly set on one of the new 1080p Pannys....then I started reading all theses great things about the Pioneers. Saw one at my local BB a few weeks ago and made up my mind right away. I'm happy to report that my family room is, as of yesterday, home to a new 5080. Absolutely stunning. I'm upgrading things in pieces in my home theater and at the moment, the best I can give this beast is a simple 480i DVD signal from my 525 pioneer dvd (an oldy, but goody). But even that "comparatively" low-res signal just blew me away. Great blacks, great color. And I'm super-impressed with Pioneers excellent processing in blowing up my 480i signal to 50".

Loving my new toy...

(being that I'm still in my break-in period...it never dawned on my just how may channels nowadays display their static logo in the bottom corner of the screen all the time. weird.)

Originally Posted by someguyinhb

I would recommend that you go to a BB or CC and check if you can see the SDE from 7 feet on 768p plasmas. It's important that you bring tape measure with you. You may see it at 6 feet, but not at 7. If you see it at 7 feet, then you have to go with a 1080p set. It's kind of a shame that you can't wait another month. You are a great distance for 1080p and the new Pioneers would shine from your distance.

Originally Posted by brentsg

I've given up on this . Nobody local has a decently setup 50" 8G.

Originally Posted by Zues

Awesome pics mark. Any chance you could take some non-animated screenshots. Show off some human skin tones. Throw a dog a bone

Originally Posted by valoidr

check out Belkin, Tripplite also -IMO over a C-note is too much to pay.

Originally Posted by Mark800

From Casino Royale:

Originally Posted by 1080pixel



I have not seen the movie but have a question about what you see and don't see in this pix.

If you were there on the set, would you have seen all the light and details on the man's suit - considering the bright ambient light? Or is that the fault of the camera optics?

Originally Posted by Vashti

Okay Mark, I'll save you the trouble of answering that one. Nuance, it's a PS3. I know because I asked the same question in a PM just now. And I have to say, suddenly I'm considering blu-ray. Wow.
(I know, I know. Don't judge on the basis of screen shots - but Wow!)

Originally Posted by Manchild

Does anyone have any sense as to what the possible price bump will be to the 5010/6010s? Like many other posters here I have money burning a whole in my pocket and am worried that the price premium of the 1080p panel will be significantly more than the additional detail my eyes will be able to perceive. I suppose I could go 768p now and if/when the 1080p panels are out I can move the 50" to the bedroom where there is a much longer viewing distance and get a new 1080p for the living room. Oh Pioneer please hurry and deliver to your anxious customers!

Originally Posted by Manchild

Does anyone have any sense as to what the possible price bump will be to the 5010/6010s? Like many other posters here I have money burning a whole in my pocket and am worried that the price premium of the 1080p panel will be significantly more than the additional detail my eyes will be able to perceive. I suppose I could go 768p now and if/when the 1080p panels are out I can move the 50" to the bedroom where there is a much longer viewing distance and get a new 1080p for the living room. Oh Pioneer please hurry and deliver to your anxious customers!

Originally Posted by Ken Ross

Well I've now spent about 1/2 day with our newest family member, the Pro 950.

Can I say WOW!!!!!!!!!!! The only device connected to the Elite is a Tivo S3 with a Verizon FIOS feed...a wee bit better than the BB feeds.

Yes indeedy, the 8g is indeed everything it's cracked up to be. I'm still experimenting with settings, but at this point I'm using the "Pure" mode and tweaking from that. I'll break down my observations of picture quality and, where appropriate, compare it to my Fujitsu 42" plasma. This required some running up & down stairs since the Fujitsu is now in the den.

Black levels- Amazing...just amazing. Yes, there was no real surprise here, but seeing it in your own house, with a great feed, it's still kind of shocking. Comparing it to the Fujitsu, it creates a depth to the picture (not only in dark scenes) that the Fujitsu just can't match. Dark movies or scenes are just superb, conveying the darkness you 'knew' was there, but no other plasma could come close to conveying. Just stunning. With no feed, in a totally dark room, can you tell the panel is on? Yes, but just slightly. In practical usage (even in a totally dark room) with an actual program, the blacks simply blend in to the black frame. No two ways about it. Since we don't watch the TV with no feed in a totally blackened room, this is a non-issue.

Shadow Detail- This one I'm still not 100% sure about due to my break-in settings. I've got the brightness down more than I'll probably have once the panel is broken-in, so I don't think my observations here are totally reliable. At this point I might have to give the edge to the Fujitsu which is obviously broken in and at a brighter setting than the new Pioneer. However, I'll say this, even at this point the difference is small and if it were something that didn't change, I'd be more than happy to 'live with it' as a trade-off for the far better black levels. I'll revisit this in a few weeks.

Color- Wow, what can I say about color. I've always admired the colors of Pioneer displays and this one doesn't disappoint. Colors have a depth, a vibrance, a broad pallette, that I've simply never seen before in any display of any technology. We can thank the black levels here too. People that think black levels are just for 'blacks' don't begin to understand the importance and role that great black levels play in a fine display. When you see these displays in a dark environment, all the richness, all the goodness of these colors comes through. Just amazing.

Sharpness- HA! Please don't tell me these new Pioneers are not sharp. If you do, you either don't know what you're talking about or simply haven't seen one properly adjusted. I see no difference in sharpness between my Fujitsu and the new Pioneer. They're both razor sharp. Now I may have an advantage here with my FIOS feed that enables me to raise my sharpness to +5. That's the same setting I used on the Fujitsu. In fact my feed is so clean that I can use Enhancer level 1 and see no real adverse effects at anywhere near proper viewing distance. I'm actually using level 2, but level 1 could be used if you have a really clean feed.

Processing- Excellent. I've seen no false contouring, judder or anything else from my viewing thus far. But the Fujitsu is excellent in this regard too, so I might call this a draw at this point. The biggest difference I've seen between the two panels is something that's probably not worth mentioning...unless you watch from 2" away (and yes, when you get a new panel you do nutsy things like that!). When you put your nose against the screen, the Fujitsu tends to have a somewhat smoother picture with some types of material. I think it's that Pioneer 'pixel thing'. With some video-based material I didn't see it at all with the Pioneer, but with other material I did. When I did, the Fujitsu didn't show this. But the caveat is here (and Pioneer haters take note since I know they'll want to grab this piece out of my observations), as soon as you begin to back away from the screen, this effect simply disappears. At normal viewing distance you just don't see it... at least I don't.

Gray scale- I've never had such as easy time adjusting gray scale. To my eyes, this thing was close to perfect right out of the box at the low temp setting. Very very impressive. To me that's always been a minor weakness with Fujitsu. I've always had to do a fair amount of tweaking to get the Fujitsu's gray scale correct. You could get there, it just took some work.

Extras- I haven't begun with those. If I have time I may play with the Media Center, but I don't see myself using it much to be honest. I'm guessing it will be slow to download.

So my overall impression is just fabulous. It's one hell of a display and, IMO, unmatched by anything out there. My short list for my replacement of my 50" panel is still the 60" Pioneer in Sept or the 65" Fujitsu Aviamo. But since few people on Earth have actually seen an Aviamo, I surely wouldn't buy one sight unseen...not at those prices for sure!

Originally Posted by Mark800

From Casino Royale:

Originally Posted by D-Nice

I'm more interested in the 1080p's contrast ratio than the resolution.

Originally Posted by h0mie8503

Hey guys,
I just got my 5080 a few days ago and am trying to connect a TWC SA8300 to it via HDMI, but I keep getting this error message:

"Your HDTV does not support HDCP. Please use the YPrPb component connection to watch television." It only comes up when I use the cable box remote the change channels or settings or anything, but if I leave it alone it plays perfectly.

Has anybody else had this problem?

Originally Posted by jlaavenger

Is this a good TV (the 5080) for use with a PS3? I've heard that you really need a TV with 1080p to reach the full potential of a PS3?