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post #3121 of 17538
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Originally Posted by russwong View Post

I have an Elite 1140HD and am planning on getting the Elite 150FD. D-Nice has a ton of sets, most recently the Elite 1150HD and I believe he's getting the 150FD as well to add to his collection, unless I can the shipper to divert to my house instead. I didn't need to divert the 1150HD to my house, since that's too small for me. hehe

Russ

That is why my 150FD purchase will be after you get yours . Next plasma purchase will be a 950HD.
post #3122 of 17538
Thanks again for the sage advice Tony, davewolfs, and Russ!

Am leaning toward the Elite based on your comments...plus, the 6010 seems to be selling well below MSRP for a such a new release.

Hopefully, the PRO-150FD comes out soon and follows that price trend!
post #3123 of 17538
I can't wait to see the 6010 and 150 at BB....waiting 2-3 weeks is going to kill me. More pics from 6010 owners out there???
post #3124 of 17538
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

It's there and has been noted per reviewers. Also keep in mind that the Pioneer does not use the additional glass layer that the Panasonic has. One of the side effects of the additional glass layer is blurred PQ (grain and other picture artifacts). The Pioneer will be more "true to source" because of the loss of the glass layer. Some, like myself, like it and other do not. If you set the Field NR/3DNR to high and set the enhancer mode to 3, it will clear up the PQ....at the expense of high frequency details.

Funny you say that D...I was messing with those settings earlier today and got my hopes up for a sec when I saw the noise reduced when I put it on enhancer mode 3. Then I flipped back and forth between the ehancer modes and noticed how much detail was lost when the enhancer mode was set to 3. I'd rather deal with the noise than lose all that detail. I tried the noise reduction features...it cleared it up just a little, but again the side effects outweighed the benefits. Never really been a fan of NR no matter what the set.
post #3125 of 17538
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

The closest you are going to get right now is on page 7 of this pdf (gray section)

http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/pio/pe/images/portal/cit_3424/477836230Here's%20How%20Review%20-%20PDP-5010FD.pdf

This is great D-Nice thank you! Very helpful read!
post #3126 of 17538
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Originally Posted by AlexRust View Post

someguyinhb
Please specify how you connect your Pio: via receiver, direct, etc.?
How long your cables?
What brand of the cables you using?
Have you try to use just one HDMI cable direct from Blu-Ray player?
Is Blu-Ray and Pio connected to the same power outlet?
Thank you for keeping us informed.

1. My only 2 sources are my Motorola Verizon Fios box and my PS3.

2. My cables are 4 feet long

3. I don't know the brand...I got them off of Ebay. My friend brought over one of his monster cable HDMI cables and there wasn't a difference.

4. Yes I have tried that.

5. No they are not.
post #3127 of 17538
Well guys, looks like I'm joining the club! I just bought the 4280 from Roman @ Invision. Should be here sometime this week!
post #3128 of 17538
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Originally Posted by ad72 View Post

Wait, can any other 6010 owners confirm that it buzzes/makes noise?

My 6010 make a slight buzz. If I mute the display I can hear it within 4 feet of the screen. There is no fan noise.

As for picture noise, I do not see any.
post #3129 of 17538
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Originally Posted by thrasher8 View Post

Congrats

Where is the 6010FD made?

Also, anybody know where the Elite 60" PRO-150FD is made also?

Thanks!

My 6010 says: Assembled in USA from Japan and USA components
post #3130 of 17538
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Originally Posted by someguyinhb View Post

Funny you say that D...I was messing with those settings earlier today and got my hopes up for a sec when I saw the noise reduced when I put it on enhancer mode 3. Then I flipped back and forth between the ehancer modes and noticed how much detail was lost when the enhancer mode was set to 3. I'd rather deal with the noise than lose all that detail. I tried the noise reduction features...it cleared it up just a little, but again the side effects outweighed the benefits. Never really been a fan of NR no matter what the set.

Enhancer 3 produces a "film-like" image. Enhancer 2 produces a "video-crisp" image.
post #3131 of 17538
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Originally Posted by lentiman View Post

On a separate note: thoughts on running all my sources (SD-DVD, Xbox360, Series 3 TiVo) all to the TV and then passing the audio to my receiver vs. running all the sources to my receiver (Denon 4308CI) and then running one HDMI cable out to the TV?

I assume "all to the TV and then passing the audio to my receiver" means via the TV's digital audio out. If so, that is not possible since no TV that I know of will accept DD5.1 via HDMI.
post #3132 of 17538
Any 8G owners have a new onkyo 875 or 905? I am hoping to get a review to see what handles upscaling and deinterlacing better, the reon or the pio. thx
post #3133 of 17538
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Originally Posted by davewolfs View Post

Ok, other then some catchy marketing name of plus vs non-plus glass. What is the difference? I have heard that the non-elites usually use the glass from the elites the previous year but in this case both models were revamped and others have said that the new non elite pioneers are FAR superiors to last years Pro FHD1. And frankly, IMO the PRO FHD1 was pretty damn good. So in terms of performance, it seems like we are talking diminishing returns on your dollar unless you are one to do your own calibration.

So can someone tell me if the extra calibration features in the Elite are mostly useful if you are doing your own calibration? If I were to hire an ISF calibrator, are they able to calibrate a non-Elite and an Elite to similar degrees?
post #3134 of 17538
The 6010 "universal" remote can't be programmed for non-Pioneer receivers. That's a pretty cheap trick to try to make you buy a Pioneer receiver.

My guess is that it can be done they just don't publish the codes. Anyone have an idea on how to find the codes? Possibly a previous generation product has published the receiver codes.
post #3135 of 17538
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Originally Posted by Tallen234 View Post

Any 8G owners have a new onkyo 875 or 905? I am hoping to get a review to see what handles upscaling and deinterlacing better, the reon or the pio. thx

While don't have my 8G I am quite familiar with the processing power of both the Reon and Realta chipsets. I would be willing to bet that the Reon will have the superior de-interlacing and scaling CAPABILITIES, but not necessarily will provide any better picture quality. If you look at the series of HQV tests there are a series of cadences and tests that the average viewer will never experience or need to use. My instinct tells me that the Pio processor will be more than capable of handing any de-interlacing, scaling or converting most consumers will require (although this IS the AVSForum ).

With that said I find the bigger problem using an Onkyo (or any other receiver at this point in time) is that you will only be getting a single video signal (the one from the receiver) carrying all of your sources. I think it is extremely common to find that each source requires its own calibration/picture settings to optimize picture quality (e.g. a DirecTV receiver would mandate a different set of picture settings to optimize picture quality than an XA2, etc...). For me I would prefer to have each source on its own input to maximize picture quality, but to each their own. The only real solution to this problem as I currently see it is to use a 1:2 HDMI Distribution Amplifier for each source to send video directly to the display and audio to the receiver to provide the ability to decode all the latest audio formats.

Just my 2 cents...I'll get off my soapbox now!
post #3136 of 17538
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Originally Posted by tonydeluce View Post

The 60 inch Pio Elite 1080p KURO...

Can someone help me? What is the model number for the 60" Elite Kuro? I only see 42" and 50" (768) models on the Pioneer site.

Jeff
post #3137 of 17538
150fd
post #3138 of 17538
D-Nice, do you have a link to the 5010 manual? I've looked at the Pioneer site, but as of Friday I couldn't find it.

Found it!

https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/p...ctions0713.pdf

B
post #3139 of 17538
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Originally Posted by Manchild View Post

With that said I find the bigger problem using an Onkyo (or any other receiver at this point in time) is that you will only be getting a single video signal (the one from the receiver) carrying all of your sources. I think it is extremely common to find that each source requires its own calibration/picture settings to optimize picture quality (e.g. a DirecTV receiver would mandate a different set of picture settings to optimize picture quality than an XA2, etc...). For me I would prefer to have each source on its own input to maximize picture quality, but to each their own. The only real solution to this problem as I currently see it is to use a 1:2 HDMI Distribution Amplifier for each source to send video directly to the display and audio to the receiver to provide the ability to decode all the latest audio formats.

Just my 2 cents...I'll get off my soapbox now!

Yes but, couldn't you use the picture modes to save specific settings for each source? e.g. Pure mode for PS3 and User mode for cable? You could set the receiver/processor for a direct-passthrough so that it does not affect the picture.
post #3140 of 17538
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Originally Posted by ad72 View Post

Wait, can any other 6010 owners confirm that it buzzes/makes noise? Did the 6070 also buzz?

I know some people heard noise on the 5070, but I don't hear any.

The constrast ratio between the 5010 and 6010 are the same, right? I thought the smaller pixel size would make the 5010 have a better cr.

I don't know, I was thinking about a 5010, but the 6010's aren't that..ahem...expensive. I just want to buy one tv that will last and be somewhat future proof and be done with upgrading.....until maybe 9g.

Of course this noise thing concerns me. Sounds that it could also be (temporal) dithering, which all plasmas suffer from. A test that I do (I'm not sure how valid it is though) is I pause a scene and a go real close up to the screen. On my 5070, I'll see some pixels that flicker, and some that don't. Since the scence is paused, I would think that wouldn't be 'film grain' or noise from the source, but dithering.

I briefly had the 5070 (for three weeks) before I exchanged it for a 6070. Both displays buzzed but the 6070 was slightly more audible. The 6010 also buzzes but to a much lesser degree than either the 6070 or 5070. In fact unless you are actively hearing for it in a quiet room you may not notice it. This is a HUGE improvement between the 7Gs and 8Gs.

I have run in my 6010 display for nearly 20 hours straight so it is nice and toasty but I still do not detect any fan noise. I suspect that fans were dopped from the 8Gs series.

For the last 16 hours I have been feeding my 6010 a 1080p/24 signal from my PS3. Aside from the natural film grain that should be present I do not detect any unwanted picture noise from stills or motion at this point, again using the PS3. I think the (minute) "pixel flickering" that you are referring to, visible only when up close, is the natural byproduct of plasma technology. It will be more noticable in brighter lit areas of the screen image than in darker ones.
post #3141 of 17538
An ISF callibrator would use the same features only avaliable in the Elite to give you the most accurate picture possible. The Elites also have the ISFccc functionality that you may or may not want a professional to use to calibrate. Eitherway, all those callibration features would be use by a professional or an owner.

Russ

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Originally Posted by vd0 View Post

So can someone tell me if the extra calibration features in the Elite are mostly useful if you are doing your own calibration? If I were to hire an ISF calibrator, are they able to calibrate a non-Elite and an Elite to similar degrees?
post #3142 of 17538
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Originally Posted by BostonGeorge34 View Post

Yes but, couldn't you use the picture modes to save specific settings for each source? e.g. Pure mode for PS3 and User mode for cable? You could set the receiver/processor for a direct-passthrough so that it does not affect the picture.

This is a thought I had to just quickly cycle through. But as I understand it (and I certainly could be wrong since I don't have my set yet) there are particular settings (eg. advanced mode, smooth, etc etc) that are only available via the "Pure" setting. Furthermore as I understand it you cannot have multiple Pure settings for a single source (from the receiver).

D-Nice or others please correct me if I'm wrong.
post #3143 of 17538
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Originally Posted by RebelMan View Post

I briefly had the 5070 (for three weeks) before I exchanged it for a 6070. Both displays buzzed but the 6070 was slightly more audible. The 6010 also buzzes but to a much lesser degree than either the 6070 or 5070. In fact unless you are actively hearing for it in a quiet room you may not notice it. This is a HUGE improvement between the 7Gs and 8Gs.

I have run in my 6010 display for nearly 20 hours straight so it is nice and toasty but I still do not detect any fan noise. I suspect that fans were dopped from the 8Gs series.

For the last 16 hours I have been feeding my 6010 a 1080p/24 signal from my PS3. Aside from the natural film grain that should be present I do not detect any unwanted picture noise from stills or motion at this point, again using the PS3. I think the (minute) "pixel flickering" that you are referring to, visible only when up close, is the natural byproduct of plasma technology. It will be more noticable in brighter lit areas of the screen image than in darker ones.

So how are the black levels?
post #3144 of 17538
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Originally Posted by Manchild View Post

This is a thought I had to just quickly cycle through. But as I understand it (and I certainly could be wrong since I don't have my set yet) there are particular settings (eg. advanced mode, smooth, etc etc) that are only available via the "Pure" setting. Furthermore as I understand it you cannot have multiple Pure settings for a single source (from the receiver).

D-Nice or others please correct me if I'm wrong.

You are correct. Pure mode is a universal A/V mode.....meaning the same settings are applied to all inputs.
post #3145 of 17538
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

You are correct. Pure mode is a universal A/V mode.....meaning the same settings are applied to all inputs.

Thought so...however at least for non-Elite owners who don't have a "Pure" a/v setting anyway you could configure Standard/Movie/Game/User (Don't know about Dynamic or Optimum) for each source and then have a universal remote (like a Harmony) automatically select the appropriate color settings depending on what is going through the receiver.

For example...if you start a "Watch a Movie" macro the remote will have a receiver select the appropriate source and automatically select the "Movie" a/v settings which are calibrated to that particular source. Similarly "Play a Game" has the receiver select the appropriate input and changes to the "Game" a/v settings.

This would work so long as all picture adjustment controls: Pure Cinema, Picture Detail, Color Detail, etc are all available for each of the aforementioned a/v memory settings. However...further complicating this is that if you have the set ISF calibrated the service menu alterations will be held across all sources.

I guess there is no "perfect" solution, but realistically I'm sure any of these scenarios will yield a picture that will leave my correct LC-30HV6U in the dust.
post #3146 of 17538
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

You are correct. Pure mode is a universal A/V mode.....meaning the same settings are applied to all inputs.

Manchild, advance and smooth mode are for the different frame rates. Pure and User are the picture presets that I was talking about which I assume you could change for different sources.

D-nice, could give me any feedback on this because, I'm sure it will brought up again. I'm probably going to buy a processor w/ hdmi 1.3 for cable convenience. Now if I am connecting a STB, PS3, XBox 360, and a XA2 could I have my calibrator set up a few of the presents seperately? If I do not use Dynamic or Movie mode, which may screw up the gamma, would I be safe using Pure, User, and Standard? If each is calibrated close to D65, would I lose anything by using one over the other? Thanks
post #3147 of 17538
Damn, I got the same question in...lol. But I am trying to figure out a way to have all of this set up.
post #3148 of 17538
Thanks for the feedback RebelMan and others. The 6010 makes less noise than a 5070? Since I don't hear any buzz on the 5070 (hey a few years of DJing can affect your ears), I guess the 6010 won't make any noise for me.

I guess what I'm wondering now is if on the 5010 the slight minute pixel flickering would be less noticeable than on the 6010 since the pixels are a lot closer to each other.
post #3149 of 17538
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Originally Posted by russwong View Post

An ISF callibrator would use the same features only avaliable in the Elite to give you the most accurate picture possible. The Elites also have the ISFccc functionality that you may or may not want a professional to use to calibrate. Eitherway, all those callibration features would be use by a professional or an owner.

Russ

OK, thanks for your answer on those calibration features on the Elites and that they can be used by either professionals or owners.

I guess what I am still a little unclear on is what a professional ISF calibrator could do with a non-Elite. Granted there is no ISFccc functionality, but aren't there calibration settings in the service menus of the non-Elites? This is not something regular users would use, but can a professional use the calibration the settings in the service menu for non-Elites and have the same flexibility as what is offered in the more user friendly firmware in the Elites? Or is there less flexibility in the service menu and so the set would not be able to be calibrated as well as an Elite would?
post #3150 of 17538
Has anyone had their 4280 or 5080 calibrated yet?
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