The Official Pioneer 8G KURO Owner's Discussions Thread - Page 167

I gather the wife went to bed early, eh? ..... (mine just rolls her eyes)

Section2`:

My experience with 1080p displays is:
a) BluRay/HDDVD -- look great
b) HiDef Cable broadcasts -- look good
c) DVD's -- depends A LOT on the DVD. Some are really good, some are not good.
d) SD Cable -- Space and Spike are horrible horrible horrible, most 4:3 sources look a little soft on pioneer's wide.

In otherwords, the plasma 'instrument' displays every detail it's sent.
And if it's sent practically nothing then that's what you get.

I saw the 5080 and 5010 today. The 5010 was above the 5080. The 5080 may have had a little more light hitting it but kinda hard to tell. The lighting was somewhat dim. I had a remote in had and set bother TVs to the exact same settings under picture and options and the light sensor was off. I did find the 5080 a little brighter but not much. Whites were a tad bit whiter. As long as you don't max out the contrast you could up it a little on the 5010 to get a match. I did find however that the 5010 had noticably deeper blacks and the picture was sharper. The lighting can affect the blacks but it was really hard to tell with the setup. LCDs were down the wall and the XBR4 wasn't out in this room so I couldn't compare.

I would wait more eagerly for the plasma than for a newborn! YMMV

Don't you wish these damned 1080P displays were in Canada already?! It's
kinda frustrating to see they're getting the godfather of all elites, 150FD
already south of the border and we don't even have the 6010's yet. Sigh.
I just want to see it in person with my own eyes.

Nambit:

The local elite store says they'll start getting them the 2nd or 3rd week of september.

Have you read the 150 manual? Some Canadian features on the setup menu, but Digital Cable Ready (DCR) won't work in Canada.

Hey Ken, I wanted to ask about that "color filter 2.0" thing. Is it useful to your eyes... or is it just another BS marketing ploy?

hey, guy, I got a question about speakers. Can Are the speakers on 5010/6010 removable? I am just trying to mimimie the space usage by this TV. plus I think it would look better without the speakers?

Folks,

Admittedly, I have not had the time to browse the entire thread (167 pages is a LONG thread ). Therefore, I'd appreciate some insight on this as my brother is due to receive his 4280 next week.

1. Does the 4280 require a break-in period? If yes, how many hours?
2. What are the best settings for this duration?
3. How should the break-in be done?

My bro plans to have the set professionally calibrated. Do you have any recommendations for an ISF-certified professional in the Boston area?

Thanks very much in advance for any assistance.

You can remove it but I am hearing you can't adjust the stand.. strange. So it might not minimize much at all.

In my opinion without the bottom speaker the stand looks like crap cause you can see the two posts.When the speaker is a attached it looks very clean(flush) with the stand.

Until now I was amazed how few 1080p owners commented on SD performance of their set. Perhaps we're hearing one of the reasons here ... just trying to push others to elaborate a bit on this

Any one else any comments on SD performance (DVD + SD cable) on 1080sets? Preferrably a comparison of 768 Kuro vs 1080 Kuro ...

I ordered today after much weighing of lcd vs plasma - as I will spend days using 6010 with pc as a trader and evenings for tv/xbox.

Question - is the preferred pc to 6010 connection dvi to hdmi or rgb?

BTW - Here is the 'family sell' on this one: 'We just had our third grandchild and those little guys just can't see our Samsung dlp from down there on the floor'

RBS

bstronger,

I'm also a trader and use 3 20" computer monitors (total cost around $525) that each have a resolution of 1400 by 1050 in a horizontal array which gives me 4200 by 1050. With windows, you can have up to 10 monitors connected, provided you add additional video cards and/or use multihead cards. So you can scale your system depending on future needs.

I think this will work out better in the long run because one, you really are going to want the better resolution computer monitors offer, and secondly, these monitors stay on essentially 14 hrs a day and the plasma TV would be on another 10 hrs (yes I do sleep, there is overlap time). I'd rather burn up these monitors in a couple of years and then replace them than put the extra hours on the plasma TV.

Trust me, I'm not about to return my TV.

I am moving from a 36inch CRT to a 60 inch plasma. I'm just used to a certain consisteny in my SD broadcasts, but a 36 inch at 10 feet and a 60 inch at 10 feet is certain to have some differences.

Honestly non-sports SD is a little grainy at times but not unwatchable. I have found though that sports broadcasts with faster motion leave a lot to be desired, especially that typical side view of football games. My Gators yesterday all looked fuzzy (even on the "HD" upgrade of a local channel). A bit disappointing, but honestly new HD channels pop up all the time, and most of the sports I watch now are in HD, so I'm not that worried and the future looks bright.

As far as SD DVD's go, I though my daughter's Little Mermaid DVD was outstanding. The depth in the color is really out of this world. Lord of the Rings was very good, but I noticed a little noise with Saving Private Ryan (probably how it was filmed) and a little with Gladiator. I think "hit" or "miss" is a fair characteriization, but overall it wasn't bad. I am using an Oppo 980H sending it native to the TV via an Integra 7.8.

Again I am getting rid of Brighthouse and moving to Fios. I'll let you know if I see a bit improvement. Installers are coming next week.

Geesh, how long did it take me to figure this out? Thanks Johnny, I did have the URL of photobucket in there too. I can do better than this now that I have some idea of what I'm doing. It's strange that I'm not getting the 'moire' I was getting with the Pro 950.

Section 2,

First of all the switch to FIOS should greatly improve your SD viewing experience.

In the interim, have you tried switching your STB to output 1080i? You perhaps might notice some slight improvement by sending the 6010 a different resolution than 480i.

Worth a try while you wait.

Bish

I actually did try that yesterday and it didn't help. The tip is much appreciated though.

Hey Tallen. It really depends on how much of a 'tweaker' you are. It's in my blood and there's not much I can do about it. But having viewed the 6010 a few nights ago, I could have been extremely happy with that display too! For the vast majority of people, the 6010 would be an utterly superb display!
There really is no difference in the basic PQ, it's more a matter of adjustments and tweaking the picture.

Oh yeah Viper, oh yeah..sound asleep.

Johnny, I honestly can't say I see the impact of the filter. There are too many other variables at work in comparing my 950 to the 150 (such as 1080p, much larger screen size, different room environment etc.). But if it does have an impact, I doubt it's very significant. The only way we could tell for sure is seeing two identical displays, one with and one without.

Anyone that has access to FIOS should seriously consider it! Bish is 100% correct. You will get no greater improvement with your SD than switching to FIOS.

There is a high store in Vancouver that said they can order a 6010FD any time I want one (they do not have the 6010FD in store because they are an Elite dealer). They said they will have the Elite later this month.

The 5010FD is available at several locations.

I plan on picking up a 6010FD in about 8 weeks. I am not convinced the extra CA$1000 is worth the price of the Elite. I will have to see it for myself.

Here's a few pics of my 150fd finally up on the wall. It took a lot longer than I thought to hang the speakers.

I haven't had much time to play with it, but from what I've seen so far, I'm impressed.








-Matt

Nice install! Enjoy.

thepoloman33,

Great setup! Do you have any pictures with a high-def source you could post?

Corgeous! Congratulations. What kind of speakers are those?

I've tried taking HD pictures but my digital camera just doesn't do the set justice. For the life of me, i can't figure out how some of these guys take such great pictures.

The 150FD looks amazing. i'm watching the Cal vs. Tenn game from yesterday recorded OTA and it feels as if I'm there in person. The colors are so sharp...the blacks are darker than i've ever seen in a plasma display.

My wife and I were laughing because this TV looks just as good turned off as it does turned on. I'm a big fan of the shiny gloss finish....looks like a piece of art.

Thanks again Adam for the info you provided me last week. My experience with the dealer i purchased from has been top notch.

-Matt

Paradigm Millenia 30s. They are a great match with the 60" Elite...same high gloss finish...oh, and they sound good too!

My experience with using a 50PX50U & PRO-1150HD w/Time Warner's 8300HDC & 4250HDC is the best picture quality can be achieved by setting the STBs to support 1080i & 480p std. formats.