The Official Pioneer 8G KURO Owner's Discussions Thread - Page 170

You don't have to remind me of anything. Keep it to yourself. Enjoy your panel.

All I can say is "WOW"!! I have been watching SD and it does a great job but getting to HD Quality and Blu-ray 1080p signal on my 6010FD is like as though I can just dive straight into the screen.It's so "vivid and tangible","very vibrant colors and rich blacks".I was excited when I ordered and had to play the waiting game till it would arrive and STILL ,I am excited as the further I get in the 6010.it just gets better.Only had it for 5 days now and its just the beginning.......

Yep 81 is in the house. Looking pretty and what not. Seriously, nicest looking display I've ever seen with the screen off. Pioneer used to hold that trophy in my eyes, they've been eclipsed by the 81 Sammy's.

In terms of PQ? I've never got a Kuro at home so I don't know for sure... but uh...

Well... we'll see.

I'd slap you in the head if you were here Bob!!! Thanks for the laugh!

When can we expect a big review from Ken Ross of the monster we call the 150FD.

This ain't no King. It's a monster!

Salti, I've got both a Tivo S3 (attached to the Pro 950) and the FIOS PVR hooked up to the Pro 150. So I've got a good opportunity to compare both. To be honest, there are pluses and minuses with both.

The FIOS PVR is quicker to respond to remote commands. Channel changing is faster as is guide navigation. Speed has never been a strong point of any HD Tivo I've ever owned. On the other hand the FIOS guide is not as 'pretty' as the Tivo guide and menu system. FIOS has launched an upgraded version of the guide, menu and search features. The update (which I've yet to get, but should arrive soon) is far slicker and more 'Directv like'.

The biggest issue IMO with the FIOS DVR is the lack of dual streaming. I always liked the ability to stream 2 live channels. With the FIOS you can do only one.

Then of course there's the 'issue' of hard drive space. The Tivo S3 is 250 gig and the FIOS is 160 gig just as the new Tivo HD. So if you're looking for the cheaper Tivo HD, there's no HD advantage.

Once the new guide rolls out here in N.Y., I'll have a better idea how the two DVRs compare at that point.

That could be part of your issue. I actually find the quality of blacks is better in very dim or dark conditions. The reason is the screen itself is not black and when there's a fair amount of light in the room, it simply won't get any darker than the screen itself when it's lit by ambient light.

Rebelman,

As a 6070 owner who is thinking about upgrading to the 6010, can you comment more on similarities and differences. I was a bit surprised when I saw the 6010 for the first time last week and found what had to be screen door. I guess I presumed that at 1080p, it would be totally gone.

As to poorer quality SD looking better on the 6070, my guess is that it needs a different set of video settings. Also, as crazy as it sounds, SD looks better on my 6070 when I use the S-video input (when I remember to switch inputs)

Whats up guys and girls i am sure this has been asked but a 170 pages is alot to go through anyway i am about to get a pio 6010 and the stand i have currently is about 29 inches tall. I was wondering what is the optimal height for these puppies and if ya'll think 29 inches would be to tall or if would be fine. Thanks fellas i appreciate all the good info on this forum.

It most definitely can Johnny. My friends and I saw that tonight when there was very little lighting in our room. Blacks were almost totally black for virtually any material I showed them. The CR is just superb.

After this viewing, they have been sold on a 50" Kuro.

Hehe tell me about it. We walked into the Pioneer store and my brother instantly was hooked on the 5080 which was playing next to the 6070. He's far from any videophile... and Someguy got to know him. I didn't say a word and he immediately walked up to the Kuro which was playing that "flower" surrounded by darkness footage. He was hooked and now he may be interested in a 42 inch Kuro in the room and we're getting rid (selling) of the 3251D that I kept bagging on in my previous comparisons.

"Why don't our TVs look this good *******?"

Direct quote.

I guarantee you it's not the coating Rebel, it's simply calibration. I've got pure whites with no hint of red or blue on both my Elite 950 and 150. Even though the 150 is supposed to use a different filter, the white is just as pure and free from any blue or red as is the 950. Now this was NOT the case prior to my adjustments. So you will get a true white with calibration, fear not.


And I believe you have just answered your own question. I too have always noticed some movies with poor black levels and mushy shadows and others with superb blacks and great shadow detail. This is often pointed out in HD DVD and BR movie reviews. So I'd bet that much, if not all of what you see, is source related. If you can get great blacks and great shadow detail from some material, it simply shows you the display is capable of that. When all of a sudden you don't see that with a given movie, it's more than likely the transfer.


Yup, you're again back to calibration. Most of the reviews have talked about how good shadow detail is on these sets and I've certainly seen that. You're at a disadvantage in not having some of the adjustments available to you in the user menu, but they'll be there for an ISF tech to access.

Ken, you and Basement Bob were talking about moire ... so i had to go look it up and i found this little goodie ..

http://www.mathematik.com/Moire/

I watched it awhile and I am now hypnotized .... and nowwwwww i havvvvvve to gooooooo buyyyyyy a pro 150 ....

Darn my wife hid my wallet ...

This is what I was saying when viewing in a well lit room. The more light, the more the color of the screen comes in to play. The less light, the truer the blacks will appear.

I think you need to find the right balance. Too much light and then the black level will rise because you're literally begining to look at the screen material (LCDs will look jet black in this case because their screen material is literally black). Too much darkness and your blacks will rise because you're beginning to see the true minimum luminence. A light behind the TV and a light infront of the TV is totally different by the way for those who don't know.

I'm almost certain Rebel that the frames can be dealer-ordered. I can easily switch the frame on my black FPM with the siliver ones I have. The two problems I have is that I have 3 FPMs, only one of which is black. So I'd need two more black frames. The other issue is size. The new 60" Pioneer tends to dwarf the FPMs (series 5), so I'd probably need to move up to the larger size if I was looking for a better aesthetic match.

What did I say before...it never ends.

Thanks Rebel! I'm almost certain Rebel that the frames can be dealer-ordered. I can easily switch the frame on my black FPM with the siliver ones I have. The two problems I have is that I have 3 FPMs, only one of which is black. So I'd need two more black frames. The other issue is size. The new 60" Pioneer tends to dwarf the FPMs (series 5), so I'd probably need to move up to the larger size if I was looking for a better aesthetic match.

What did I say before...it never ends.

Give me time guy, give me time. Isn't 'awe-inspiring' enough?

No. Until I get a Kuro in house I will continue to bug the snot out of the owners.

Thanks Viper, just what I wanted to fix my eyes on at about 1:00am here in N.Y. Excuse me while I grab a few Tylenol.

Me thinks you nailed it Johnny.

My my, such inner rage, such internal seething...I think you need a Kuro QUICK!

Have any Kuro owners seen a Kuro side by side with a:
Sony KDL-52XBR4 (the blackest LCD or plasma in CC when i went in - they don't do pioneer)
Samsung LN-T5281F or 71?
Toshiba 52LX177?

Oh meant to say, i have narrowed my purchase to these sets and I am looking for valid feeback (i am not trolling).

Wrong thread but to answer your question. The 5281 will do darker blacks then any of the LCDs you just mentioned. Sony and Toshiba might as well play distant second (or third... or make that fourth) when you're talking Kuro/81 plateau of black. Sharp and Samsungs CCFL LCDs can measure deeper than either a Sony or a Toshiba. LED Local dimming and the Kuro series will make the others look like Christmas trees in the dark.

If you're talking black screen the 81 series is the darkest... even darker then Pioneer Plasmas. In actual scenes? I've never compared an 81 and a Kuro side by side but from what I remember the blacks are similar which is a good thing for both. Hazy memory... I'll get more accurate with that statement when I get a Kuro.

Thanks! I am not sure where else to go thread wise, asking Kuro owners about the Kuro relative to another set seemed like the wise move, sorry.

Nah its okay. I just hope it doesn't go overboard w/ like bombarding trolls. "Did JOHNNY JUST DISS SONY?!!"

Understood though. But yea, like I said. What you measure black wise on a Kuro and 81 it shouldn't even be a discussion with the TVs of the past... besides CRTs of course.

Oh no.. did I just mention CRTS?!

bigb76180:


Some people have their plasma's mounted above their fireplaces and seem happy.
I decided that the vertical middle of the plasma should be at my eye height when I'm seated on the couch.

http://www.bobgolds.com/LivingRoomPl...ction/home.htm
(150 photos on one page, will take at least 15 seconds to load with quick internet)
And yes, those are B&W speakers.

My folks own that TV; they love it. But now that my father has seen the 5080HD, he's planning on getting one. He just has to sell my mother on the idea (which won't be hard after she watched the 3rd Packer pre-season game at my place on the Kuro. She was blown away).

I will make sure to send my father back to you Roman when he decides to purchase a Kuro for himself.

Yeah, I hear ya. It's kind of like switching from User mode to Movie mode. The colors just look more natural.

It's Beautiful!!!!

NP Larry. HT has to come first. Martin Logans sweet! Let me know how they sound...was considering the MLs but fell in love with the B&W XTs and had to have them.

Thanks again for the info it helps a lot.
Chris