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post #8941 of 17517
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Originally Posted by [omen] View Post

Quick question for all you owners:

Can the 5010 be lowered down on the stand when the speaker is removed?

I'm not an owner, but the answer has been no.
post #8942 of 17517
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I'm not an owner, but the answer has been no.

Gracias!
post #8943 of 17517
THE 150FD HAS BEEN OUR FASTEST SELLING 60 INCH PLASMA OVER 6 THOUSAND. we sold over 150 pieces so far

the 110fd is also going pretty good
post #8944 of 17517
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Originally Posted by Jason30 View Post

An interesting data point for you guys with my 150fd. I finally received my Integra 9.8 pre/pro with the Reon processor including the firmware fixing the colorspace issue. I watched "Fracture" on standard DVD on my Oppo 980H outputting 480i over HDMI. Several times throughout watching the movie I switched between "through" letting the TV scale from 480i to 1080p internally and "1080p" having the Reon scale to 1080p and output that to the TV and all times I found the picture better in "through" mode bypassing the Reon. The picture was noticeably softer with the Reon scaling and the picture had much better fine detail running 480i direct to the TV. I have never had any complaints with the DVD quality when playing direct to the Pio, but we're always looking to get that picture as close as Blu-Ray quality. Unfortunately, at least for my setup the Reon seems to be going in the wrong direction. I'll obviously do more experimenting, but so far it looks like i'll be enjoying the audio processing section of the 9.8 and bypassing the Reon. Anyone else have similar or different experiences with Reon scalers?


Interesting observation Jason. With the fine reputation of the Reon processor, that's certainly a tribute to the internal scaling of the 150!

Just today I tried using the S-video input for the first time and was surprised at how good it looked!
post #8945 of 17517
i've tried to run tests like that myself using my denon 3910 with the faroudja processor on 480p and 1080i or my denon 4308 with the faroudja to 1080p vs just the 150.

unfortunately i can't output 480i from my 3910 with HDMI to fully test it against the pioneer.

i've heard that the PS3 is actually one of the best upscaling DVD players out there as well, and have seen comparison screenshots of it against reon's and realtas.

i wish i could output 480i from my denon 3910 though.

(side note, when outputting from the 3910, i have the option of setting RGB or YCBCR, by forcing YCBCR, it makes my blues very purple and blacks very grey compared to enhanced range RGB. so i've set the player to force RGB, anyone know why this might be?)
post #8946 of 17517
Well... you can figure it out. Let's take a pro150-fd, which is 60" diagonal.

Because the aspect ratio is 16:9, the angle between the bottom edge and the diagonal is arctan(9/16) = 29.36 deg.

The cosine of that angle is the width divided by the diagonal, and so the width is 60 * cos(29.36) = 52.29 inches.

The sine of that angle is the height divided by the diagonal, and so the height is 60 * sin(29.36) = 29.42 inches.

So we have a display that's 52.29" x 29.42", and is 1920 x 1080, meaning 0.027 inches/pixel in each dimension. Converting to mm, that yields about 0.68 mm per pixel.

So I'd say the pitch on a pro-150fd must be 0.68mm or damn close to it.
post #8947 of 17517
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I'm not an owner, but the answer has been no.

I heard of someone drilling the holes but wouldn't know where to start So basically VERY rarely done.
post #8948 of 17517
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Interesting observation Jason. With the fine reputation of the Reon processor, that's certainly a tribute to the internal scaling of the 150!

Or, as he correctly wrote it, to a malfunctioning/incorrectly working Reon chip - I have seen Pioneer picture in my life as well as HQV picture - not Reon though - and I am having hard time to believe Pio's onboard chip would perform better...
post #8949 of 17517
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Originally Posted by Jason30 View Post

An interesting data point for you guys with my 150fd. I finally received my Integra 9.8 pre/pro with the Reon processor including the firmware fixing the colorspace issue. I watched "Fracture" on standard DVD on my Oppo 980H outputting 480i over HDMI. Several times throughout watching the movie I switched between "through" letting the TV scale from 480i to 1080p internally and "1080p" having the Reon scale to 1080p and output that to the TV and all times I found the picture better in "through" mode bypassing the Reon. The picture was noticeably softer with the Reon scaling and the picture had much better fine detail running 480i direct to the TV. I have never had any complaints with the DVD quality when playing direct to the Pio, but we're always looking to get that picture as close as Blu-Ray quality. Unfortunately, at least for my setup the Reon seems to be going in the wrong direction. I'll obviously do more experimenting, but so far it looks like i'll be enjoying the audio processing section of the 9.8 and bypassing the Reon. Anyone else have similar or different experiences with Reon scalers?

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Originally Posted by T2k View Post

Or, as he correctly wrote it, to a malfunctioning/incorrectly working Reon chip - I have seen Pioneer picture in my life as well as HQV picture - not Reon though - and I am having hard time to believe Pio's onboard chip would perform better...

Where did he mention a "malfunctioning/incorrectly working Reon chip"?

When I had the XA2 (with REON chip), the scaling of the 150FD was just as good as the toshiba, when viewing actual video. Maybe when looking at test discs one could discern a notable difference... I am not the one.
post #8950 of 17517
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Originally Posted by T2k View Post

Or, as he correctly wrote it, to a malfunctioning/incorrectly working Reon chip - I have seen Pioneer picture in my life as well as HQV picture - not Reon though - and I am having hard time to believe Pio's onboard chip would perform better...

Um, he did not mention that his Reon was malfunctioning, he was simply stating his comparitive results. Sorry, but you're wrong.
post #8951 of 17517
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Originally Posted by T2k View Post

Or, as he correctly wrote it, to a malfunctioning/incorrectly working Reon chip - I have seen Pioneer picture in my life as well as HQV picture - not Reon though - and I am having hard time to believe Pio's onboard chip would perform better...

Nothing "malfunctioning/incorrectly working" about it. Don't know where that came from?
post #8952 of 17517
Hey all. Long time lurker here and only recently joined. I've been following both the Owner's thread and the Settings thread since their inception. I've learned a lot, and ended up pulling the trigger on the following:

-Pro 110FD
-Yamaha RX-V1800
-Paradigm Millenias
-Sunfire Sub

After a lot of research, I ended up ordering my Pro-110FD from Robert at Value Electronics. From start to finish he was extremely professional, gave me the best price from anybody, and gave me lots of great advice. I ordered on late on a Saturday afternoon in mid October and delivery was the next Wednesday morning. It was a piece of cake. I'm now at roughly 200 hours (used the break-in DVD) and everything looks fantastic. No stuck pixels (and I REALLY looked when using the break-in DVD), no blotches, no noticeable humming (unless I put my ear right at the TV in a silent room). Manuf. date is Oct. '07. This TV has been, hands down, the best electronics purchase of my life (of many). I also got the 3 year additional warranty from Mack for a great price, so I'm now set for a while. I've got umr coming in December to calibrate everything, so I can hardly wait.

I'd post some pictures, but a) I'm doing some remodeling work on the fireplace before its mounted, so now its sitting on the floor (it came with the stand attached), and b) my camera sucks.

I just thought I'd pop back in to give some credit to Robert and let people know that I am probably one of many who lurk around here, end up buying Kuros, and then disappear for a while (without reporting the good news) because they are too busy enjoying their new TV!

I'd like to thank everyone who has gone out of their way to help people out on this thread, with a special thanks to D-Nice for being so helpful day in and day out. I hope he enjoys his "retirement".
post #8953 of 17517
I purchased a PDP-6010FD about six weeks ago. It replaced a PDP-503CMX that I have had for nearly five years with no issues. During the break-in period (now about 450 hours), I have been pleased and disappointed in the set. I now believe that the set has issues and am asking for advise.

The picture has become increasingly constrasty to the point of losing most facial shadow detail (turns Black). In addition, Flesh tones change from red to brown and back while watching a movie.

A couple of days ago, after a two hour warmup, I put in Video Essentials DVD and set up the contrast, brightness, color and hue. The setting I got for my LG BH100 was significantly off from D-Nice's settings.

The color bars showed me that the tint was very sensitive to brightness and color level. When done, yellow looked great, but red was severely oversaturated.

I put in Spideman 3 and watched the movie. Again, the red was oversaturated, but there were pleasing flesh tones. Halfway through the movie, the picture became contrasty and started to get a green tint. By the end, the picture had significantly changed. I replayed the beginning and the colors did not match what it looked after calibration.

I popped the color bars back on and the settings had changed dramatically. Hue had changed about 20 points, and I had to add six to brightness and readjust color about 8 points.

Now color looked good again and red was not so oversaturated and the settings were very close to what D-Nice had put out. After another 30 minutes, the picture had shifted again, back in the direction where it was first calibrated.

I changed power control energy save from off to '2'. I recalibrated. Over the next two days, I still observe the picture shifting, but slower and not nearly as wildly as when it was at full power.

Using a Kill-A-Watt, I have 119.8 VAC to the set. It is drawing 440 watts with a white screen displayed, and 330 watts when in Energy Save 2.

Because of this, I am suspecting a power supply issue in the set. What do you think? I purchased the set at Best Buy. Should I go through them, or directly to Pioneer? According to Pioneer's web site, the nearest Plasma repair outlet is 50 miles away.
post #8954 of 17517
If you've had the TV longer than 30 days, you can no longer exchange/return it to BestBuy. Sadly, your only option at this point is dealing with Pioneer directly.
post #8955 of 17517
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Originally Posted by voyager6 View Post

I purchased a PDP-6010FD about six weeks ago. It replaced a PDP-503CMX that I have had for nearly five years with no issues. During the break-in period (now about 450 hours), I have been pleased and disappointed in the set. I now believe that the set has issues and am asking for advise.

The picture has become increasingly constrasty to the point of losing most facial shadow detail (turns Black). In addition, Flesh tones change from red to brown and back while watching a movie.

A couple of days ago, after a two hour warmup, I put in Video Essentials DVD and set up the contrast, brightness, color and hue. The setting I got for my LG BH100 was significantly off from D-Nice's settings.

The color bars showed me that the tint was very sensitive to brightness and color level. When done, yellow looked great, but red was severely oversaturated.

I put in Spideman 3 and watched the movie. Again, the red was oversaturated, but there were pleasing flesh tones. Halfway through the movie, the picture became contrasty and started to get a green tint. By the end, the picture had significantly changed. I replayed the beginning and the colors did not match what it looked after calibration.

I popped the color bars back on and the settings had changed dramatically. Hue had changed about 20 points, and I had to add six to brightness and readjust color about 8 points.

Now color looked good again and red was not so oversaturated and the settings were very close to what D-Nice had put out. After another 30 minutes, the picture had shifted again, back in the direction where it was first calibrated.

I changed power control energy save from off to '2'. I recalibrated. Over the next two days, I still observe the picture shifting, but slower and not nearly as wildly as when it was at full power.

Using a Kill-A-Watt, I have 119.8 VAC to the set. It is drawing 440 watts with a white screen displayed, and 330 watts when in Energy Save 2.

Because of this, I am suspecting a power supply issue in the set. What do you think? I purchased the set at Best Buy. Should I go through them, or directly to Pioneer? According to Pioneer's web site, the nearest Plasma repair outlet is 50 miles away.

Did you get the BB warranty? If so, then you would be in good shape as they usually fix your set or replace it completely if they can't.
post #8956 of 17517
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Originally Posted by T2k View Post

Or, as he correctly wrote it, to a malfunctioning/incorrectly working Reon chip - I have seen Pioneer picture in my life as well as HQV picture - not Reon though - and I am having hard time to believe Pio's onboard chip would perform better...



As Ken and others have mentioned, the Pio's processing is very good (9 on a scale of 10 per a Pio factory rep I spoke with).

Another possibility is that the software implementation of the Reon in that AVR isn't as good as in an XA2.
post #8957 of 17517
I would like to say that I am now officially a Pioneer 6010FD Owner! My Tv arrived today, thanks to Alex, Roman and Debbie at Invison. It was a perfect delivery. I tipped the driver to help bring it up to our bedroom. He helped unpack it, not quite opening it completely, as we still had to install the bracket and do the wall mount......Took us all of 3 hours to install the power outlet and run the cables through the walls, mount the bracket.....When we finally switched the TV on.....it was amazing. Have been watching for a few hours now....Not started the Break in DVD as yet! Who can do that when they just got such a great TV? Anyway, we are trying to watch HD Programming without any Bars...... Will switch to Break in settings tomorrow.....

The fios box and the bluray player are located behind the wall in our closet, a bit of a pain to change channels right now! Any suggestions of what Remote to get? And how to do the IR through the wall? I will post a new thread on this as well......

Thanks a lot Alex, Roman and Debbie....... Will come back to you for the next plasma very soon, in our family room. After seeing this TV, we cannot go to a DLP as planned!!
post #8958 of 17517
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Originally Posted by techwisenyc View Post

Did you get the BB warranty? If so, then you would be in good shape as they usually fix your set or replace it completely if they can't.

Actually, that's not quite true. Personally, I think BestBuy's PSP is a complete rip off.

Here's how it works: You have to call the BestBuy's 1-800 to set up a service call. Then they're supposed to send someone to your house to diagnose the problem. If they find something wrong (which they sometimes do and sometimes don't depending on the person they send out), then they leave and order the parts. Then you have to schedule another time after the parts arrive for them to come to your house again and "fix" it.

The odds of getting your set replaced completely are practically ZERO. Their lemon policy (replacement) only applies after THREE FULL ATTEMPTS to fix the same problem with no success (technically, this only applies after you've called for service a 4th time). And even then, BestBuy will dispute it until you either give up completely or your head explodes.
post #8959 of 17517
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Originally Posted by techwisenyc View Post

Did you get the BB warranty? If so, then you would be in good shape as they usually fix your set or replace it completely if they can't.

They wanted $900 for a two year extension. Way too high for me. So I guess I am stuck with calling the Pioneer Service Center.
post #8960 of 17517
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Originally Posted by seabreeze82 View Post

The fios box and the bluray player are located behind the wall in our closet, a bit of a pain to change channels right now! Any suggestions of what Remote to get? And how to do the IR through the wall? I will post a new thread on this as well......

Hop on over to ebay or your local electronics store and pick up a wireless IR remote extender.
post #8961 of 17517
I don't believe pricing is supposed to be discussed.
post #8962 of 17517
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Originally Posted by Ron Tobin View Post

I don't believe pricing is supposed to be discussed.

He's new so we'll let him slide this time .

Wolf6, MSRP only around here .
post #8963 of 17517
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Originally Posted by voyager6 View Post

They wanted $900 for a two year extension. Way too high for me. So I guess I am stuck with calling the Pioneer Service Center.

your 6010 is covered under the one year in home warranty through pioneer. call pioneer usa and they will send a tech to check it out at your house.
post #8964 of 17517
Seabreze, these remote control extenders work well. They convert your Infrared remotes into RF/Infrared remotes. You just replace one of your remote control batteries with the rf transmitter that is shaped like a battery and place the RF receiver/IR converter in the room with your components. http://estore.websitepros.com/137369...y=RF+Extenders
post #8965 of 17517
Well, after researching for two very loooooonnng years and watching my display of choice evolve from DLP to SXRD to LCD and finally come to rest on Pioneer Plasma... I have officially become an owner of a PRO-110FD.

This is going to be my first HDTV. I've been living with a 32" Sony CRT for seven years, and, even more pathetically, my girlfriend's 20" Sony CRT with a green spot in the corner for the last 2 months. This is going to be quite the upgrade.

I have to say ever since I started this search I have been blown away by Pioneer Plasmas. I kept coming back to them in showrooms as the best looking displays among them all. To be buying one now almost feels like karma.

Thanks to Robert and Wendy from Value Electronics. Great price, great service, and they're local to boot! Robert gave me reassurances that if anything goes wrong with the panel - dead pixels, shipping damage, etc. that he'd have a replacement out to me that same day. I think I'm in good hands.

And a big thanks to everyone here at AVS for helping me make an informed, educated decision! This forum rocks.

Delivery is supposed to happen this Saturday and if all goes according to plan it's going to be one helluva weekend!

post #8966 of 17517
Man these threads get hellaciously long. Uggh.
post #8967 of 17517
First, i had my Oppo connected (direct) to the 950 through HDMI, then tried it through S-Video and found that deinterlacing was better through S-Video sending 480i.

There is one problem that prevents me from using the S-Video connection and i think it might be because of the cable length used, which is 15ft. and maybe the signal loss is too high.
On color material, the image is B/W, and superimposed on those images are interference patterns, like moire, at an angle of around 30 degrees, and those patterns are in color. The moire-like lines are about 1/3 to 1/2 inch. wide.

All my cables are bundled together: HDMI, S-Video, and RG6 coax for audio from components to preamp to power amp.
Power line cords are separate and do not run parallel to signal cables.
post #8968 of 17517
[omen] you're going to love it! I have much the same background as you, same old TV and all. Can't wait to hear your impressions of the 110!
post #8969 of 17517
congrats omen! I bought the 110 last week and love it so far. I havent been able to play with it much but the break-in dvd looks amazing
post #8970 of 17517
Hi, all. I was at BB today looking at the Panny 42PZ700u and Pio 4280HD side by side. Aside from the less than ideal conditions, the tv's were being fed 720p.

Should there be a discernible difference between the pictures from a 1080p and a non-1080p set when fed 720p, assuming you're within the requisite range for viewing 1080p? Or do the 1080p sets only really shine when they're fed 1080p or 1080i?

My viewing distance at home will be 5'-7', so i'm not sure if i'd benefit from the extra resolution (having consulted various conflicting charts and tables and whatnot). In-store at that distance - and closer - it was hard to discern a significant difference. I'm wondering whether that's to do with the feed (and supernova-like lighting conditions), me or whether there is indeed too little to choose between the tv's themselves at that distance.

Thanks in advance.
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