The Official Pioneer 8G KURO Owner's Discussions Thread - Page 301

Vashti--

Can I bundle all my wires together in there, including speaker wire for my center channel? Thanks all.

Yes, but if possible separate any power cabling from speaker/video cabling.

Really, that seems like a bizaar way to operate.
Do other owners have this problem? A friend of mine was considering
one of these, but that would be a deal breaker.

- Rich

I've got a question about the Pioneer Kuro multi-screen functionality. Can I split the screen and have each side be the output from a DirecTV satellite receiver, in either HDMI or other? The manual says something about "you can't display images from two external sources at the same time", which tells me what I want to do won't work. Does anyone know for sure?

(Sorry if I posted this in the wrong place. I did search the forums for a while, and couldn't find this answer.)

Rich,

I just took delivery of my 150FD yesterday. This unit replaced a FHD-1.

I learned the "Full Mode" problem Miata stated is correct.

It is driving me crazy. I hope there is a way to make "Dot by Dot" permanent.

The split screen requires OTA reception with antenna A for digital or antenna B for analog only.

If your satellite receiver has 2 tuners, and if it works like a Scientific Atlanta cable STB, you may a a PIP option to display the second tuner in a window and be able to SWAP the small window with the big screen. But this is not split screen, using OTA, which provides 2 equal size images.

That's weird.... I think on my 150FD, it stays on dot by dot mode.... I could be wrong, but when I turned on my PS3 yesterday it was on dot by dot mode. I'll double check my cable box input as well...

Could there an interaction between dot by dot mode and some other setting? All of my sources are sending either 1080i or 1080p.

Hello guys and gals. I am in the process of purchasing a 150fd, hopefully concluding the purchase by next week (thanks for all the help so far, Roman). In preparation for the install, I had some professional installers run 4 HDMI, one RBG, 2 audio, one PC audio (basically a stereo male to male mini plug) and two cat5 cables. I intend to place an AV receiver in the adjacent AV cabinet and would like to control it with HDMI-CEC or SR+, so as to not leave the cabinet doors open. I did not run a wire for the SR+ yet because I was not aware of its function when the installers were here. Additional sources will be a Dishnetwork PVR and either a Blueray or HD DVD player (An XBOX or Playstation3, perhaps). I also have an Elan whole house distribution system to supply video from another part of the house via component video also already in place. Audio could be through the AV receiver OR the Elan S12. This setup is for the family room, and I already have a full media room elsewhere in the house.
My questions: Is SR+ a better solution than HDMI-CEC? What AVR would you recommend that gives me OSD and runs a simple 5.1 setup? Can I somehow passthrough the audio from my Elan system to the family room speakers without having to leave the plasma set on or the AVR on ( in effect, sharing the speakers on two different systems)?

I have reading AVSforum for quite some time, and have found the information here solid and well reasoned. Thank you all for being here, it is highly appreciated.

Just tested my cable box and it stayed with dot by dot both when switching between inputs and turning off and on.

I'm only feeding it 1080i and 1080p also. I did notice that it starts out at Wide, but then switches to dot by dot on it's own once it gets the signal.

Russ

I did turn off all the HDMI control stuff in the menu option. You can try that...

I was actually planning to have two separate satellite receivers. So if I run each into a separate HDMI input on the TV, can I show both in split-screen?

I would contact tech support. It seems odd that it does not stick. Are you powering down the connected component? You might want to experiment and see what makes it lose it.

- Rich

I want to connect a Mac PowerBook Pro to my 1150 to watch downloaded shows. The PBP has a DVI connector. Will this work with a DVI-HDMI cable into the 1150?

Yes, it should.

Have you tried turning OFF Auto Size in the Menu, and then setting all inputs to Dot to Dot. Should do it.

Yeah, autosize set to 'on' will screw with dot by dot. Since I turned that off a few weeks ago, I have had no issues with dot by dot sticking on my 6010. This is with both HD-DVD and HD-DVR.

That was it. Thanks a bunch. I figured I must be doing something stupid. It is a bad habit of mine.

Rich,

The advice others gave above solved my problem.

Thanks to everyone for the help.

Great! Makes sense too.

- Rich

OK, gentlemen (and ladies),

I took delivery of my 110FD this evening.

When the panel arrived I did a dead pixel check and scanned for cracks in the bezel and screen. Everything came up clear and beautiful. Then I started to dial in settings for break-in. That's when I started to notice a few different problems:


First problem:

I think my panel may be suffering from the "Blotch" issue, or what I believe has been called by pioneer tech "Uneven Residual Charge."

What I'm seeing is this: on a bright white screen I see faint gray streaks running horizontally across some portions of the screen, most prominently right through the middle of the screen. It's not an even, perfect white frame. It reminds me exactly of how my old CRT used to look after I would wipe the screen down with a sponge. Faint smears would be left running horizontally across the screen. I could buff those out with an soft cloth though and get the screen back to pristine condition. These I can't.

I didn't clean or do anything to the screen before I noticed this. I thought it may have been dirt that stuck to the screen from the styrofoam bag thing the display comes in. I thought it had been stuck to the screen with static electricity and left some streaks. So I tried to see if I could spot them by looking at the glass at an angle with light hitting it. Nothing. The glass has nothing on it. I broke out the little towelette they enclose with the panel, put a white image back up on the screen, and looked to see if I could gently buff them out. No luck. They're not on the glass.

That means they're either in the content or in the panel itself. When I noticed this I was watching the break-in DVD which is composed of 720p files. I'm playing that back through a Denon DVD-1600 DVD player which outputs 480i. I thought, maybe it's macroblocking or some other artifact being introduced when scaling up to 1080p.

I switched to another source, my xbox 360 connected via HDMI. I loaded up a saved film from Halo 3, turned off ALL heads-up-displays so no crosshairs or ammo counters were being displayed - only pure 16x9 video. I just wanted to see another totally separate source. I paused the film and tilted the camera sky-ward to the bright white sky... The streaks were still there, clearly visible. It looks like I'm viewing it through a grimey window.

I remembered people talking about the "Blotch" issue. I thought maybe that's what I was seeing. I went back and re-read that thread and looked at the images brentsg posted here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post11268156

None of those guys talked about seeing streaks on a white screen, only uneven blacks on a black screen. So, I went back and looked at my panel when displaying an empty input. I turned off all ambient light. I see the same thing brentsg posted in his pictures around the edges of my panel, just not as bad. Essentially, what it is is some pixels are darker than others. They are mainly congregated around the extreme edges of the frame. Here's where it got interesting though. I had all the light off in the room. I let my eyes adjust to the darkness and as I did I could see other pixels - all over the screen - that were darker than their neighbors. The screen looks like it's pockmarked. And... running right through the middle of the screen - exactly where I see the streak on a white frame - is a faint line of darker pixels.

Is this normal? Is this "Uneven Residual Discharge?" Is this just a limitation of the technology? Can this be fixed by running the Break-In DVD to evenly age the phosphors? Or is the panel defected?


Second problem:

I'm seeing a little bit of Green Phosphor Lag on this panel. I've been working with a Panasonic 42" plasma for the last month and a half and I spotted this same effect only once, so I don't know if I'm particularly sensitive to this effect. I would have noticed it before now. Tonight, I saw it on this panel when viewing the trailer for "I Am Legend" when the title comes up at the end. This reminded me exactly of what I've seen here:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/2007/...hosphor-trail/

The guy who wrote this article mentioned that the problem may go away over time as the phosphors age and lose luminance. Would running the break-in DVD help in this regard?


Third problem:

I hear the buzz. Seems to manifest itself only after the panel warms up. It's not a deal breaker, but I definitely hear it. Viewing distance is 8 ft. It does get mostly drowned out when watching content, but it's a pretty noticeable frequency. Sounds like a ground loop hum. Every TV I've had though buzzed though, so, while not ideal, I can put up with it.


Any help I can get with these issues would be really appreciated. Thanks.

[Update: The buzzing seems to have diminished a bit. There's definitely a "buzz" sound, but to clarify it doesn't sound like a ground loop hum (which implies constancy), and when viewing content I don't notice it all. Maybe that's a testament to good immersive programming! ]

omen

Where did you get your panel?

[omen], I've got the streaks too if you're wondering. As a bonus,
I also have the buzzing. You're not alone, my friend. Strangely, I
only see the streaks on whites and bright greys. I own a Pro-150FD.

Just finished installing my 6010 this weekend. I had traded up from a 5080 and I have to tell you for those that are on the fence you have to get one! There is a clear advantage at 1080 over 720 at 10 feet. Those that say no I beg to differ.

I'll say one thing...it is a monster. 10 inches and 1080 is a huge improvement in the viewing experience. Blue-Ray is unreal and I am feeding it Directv Hd and could not be happier. No buzz, no off whites and no dead pixels. Build date of October 07.

P.S. I was going to buy from Roman but my local guy matched him so I had go for it. (Thanks anyway Roman)

I used D-Nice settings but bumped the contrast up to 34.

Life is good!

A complete newbie question.

Background: I'm awaiting delivery of my PRO-110, a Pio VSX-94TXH, Toshiba A35, and Pio BDP-95FD Blu-ray. I also plan to connect my Dish Network Vip622DVR to this new system.

My initial plan is to run a single HDMI cable from the Receiver to the Plasma, but I notice on page 72 of the Owner's manual that you can provide settings for each HDMI input. My Dish can only output a max of 1080i while the two DVD players can obviously go 1080p.

If I go with one HDMI cable, what should the port be set to, the highest value or the lowest value, or can you select multiple settings from the list. (Can't really tell from the manual.)

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

I'm no expert, but a quick read of the info for that receiver says it upscales any video source to 1080p. So no matter what you're feeding the receiver, it's doing the work and sending out a 1080p signal.

It's deceiving that way. After looking through that manual, I found out that it only upscales 480i/576i analog signals. All HDMI signals go through untouched by the scaler.

Hi [omen]! Glad you got your TV. I also see the "green phosphor lag", although for me it looks much more yellow than green. It manifests itself more when I move my eyes across or away from the screen. I don't see it now nearly as much as I did when I first got my 110. I don't know if I have trained myself to not notice it, gotten used to it, or if there's something to that idea that it gets less over time.

I still see it on black and white or sepia colored material. Just not as much on regular material as I used to. I also notice I see it more when I'm tired/sleepy. Regardless, it isn't nearly as much of an issue now as it was the first couple weeks I had the TV. I'm guessing I have well over 200 hrs on the set now. I used the break-in DVD during overnight hours the first 150 hours I had the TV.

Hope this helps, and enjoy your TV!

loco it sounds to me you two fall into a small percentage of folks that see the yellow flashes. there if you do a search you will find it. some of them went to lcd. its not your tv. its your eyes. you see this on all plasma tvs. others will not.

read more here- http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ghlight=yellow

HDMI is a "smart" interface and speed is negotiated between devices. You set each of your devices to what makes sense for it. The display will negotiate the proper speed and resolution, no need to set anything there.

You can set color, contrast, PQ, stretch modes, noise processing, independently (see user mode) for each display port, which I find more of an advantage than running everything through the receiver. Each device requires different display PQ settings to get the most video performance (or correct video) out of it. That pio display has a lot of options.

Receivers should provide better audio, however. It would be nice if the display would passthrough, via a HDMI port, the audio it gets from the device. In the mean time individuals that want optimum video usually connect each device directly to the display via HDMI and and connect each devices audio to the receiver via optical... and use a harmony type remote to control the system. Idividuals that want optimum audio (or convenience)connect all the devices to the receiver via HDMI and one HDMI cable from the receiver to the display.

I purchased from Robert and Wendy at Value Electronics. They've been fantastic so far. Great price, courteous and responsive service. Really wonderful.


Nambit, if you can, do a check on an empty input to see if the streaks you see on whites are also present on a black screen. At least in my case, the two correspond to each other. To me, the net effect is only visible on bright whites, most likely because the streaks are running through the center of the frame and that's usually mostly filled by content (as opposed to black bars where others have reported seeing them).

What I want to know is if this can be cleared up and the pixel luminace can be evened out by running the break-in DVD. Do these streaks go away over time and use? Or will my pixels always look like this? If that's the case, I don't think I can live with this panel. I mean it's literally running through the center of the frame. On tilting shots on a bright background it's most noticeable. I didn't pay five thousand dollars for a TV to not accurately display the content. The thing about the Pioneers that we've always heard is they reproduce the source very faithfully - to the point of showing any noise, or artifacts inherent in it. It should not be introducing artifacts like this. Not the Elite.

Also, I showed them to my girlfriend last night and I was like "If you look at it from this angle you'll see it -- " and before I could even finish she says "Yeah, I see it." She saw it right away. So, I know it's not just my eyes.


Yes, that does help. Thanks, Loco. I only noticed it once or twice, so if the green phosphor lag gets better with time I think it's something I could live with.