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post #9811 of 17538
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Originally Posted by SaltiDawg View Post

10th St,

Where are you located?

Dallas
post #9812 of 17538
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Originally Posted by yngdiego View Post

My ISF calibrated XBR800 easily beats my 1150HD in black-level detail and overall picture quality. But the 1150 is 16" larger, so I'm "settling" with the somewhat reduced picture quality for a larger display.

Interesting - I too have an XBR800. At the time I bought it, 34" seemed all the picture in the world. . .

I've always been pleased with this TV - very hard to find a fault, other than it's a 200lb monster sitting in the room and the screen is small compared to today's TVs. But I didn't think it'd be better than a top of the line flatscreen 5 years later. How does it compare to the 110FD?

Not that it matters much - still want that 50" beauty. . .
post #9813 of 17538
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Originally Posted by SephirothXR View Post

So this ONLY works with a cable card?

and with OTA (over the air) programming
post #9814 of 17538
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Originally Posted by Bitwize View Post

A properly calibrated xbr 960 will easily produce as much detail in the dark parts of the picture. You should know that if you had XBRs for years...but maybe you didn't have them calibrated? Granted, the Kuro is still my favorite flat panel.

Nope, Only had Rear Projection Big Screens.
post #9815 of 17538
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Originally Posted by yngdiego View Post

My ISF calibrated XBR800 easily beats my 1150HD in black-level detail and overall picture quality. But the 1150 is 16" larger, so I'm "settling" with the somewhat reduced picture quality for a larger display.

Your Pioneer calibration may be off. I did a Sony XBR 960 back to back with a 150FD. While both are excellent displays the 150FD looked better overall to me. The processing in the Pioneer was clearly superior and the blacks on both were excellent. The colors were slightly better on the Sony CRT, but I would give the edge to the Pioneer for overall look. I would not say either was easily better than the other except the Pioneer was much easier to watch because of its size.
post #9816 of 17538
I am looking at getting the PDP 5080hd. I have a question regarding the PIP function.
I will be using the cable card with my cable company. Will I be able to get a PIP picture using the cable card as one picture and a DVR on one of the HDMI inputs as the other picture? (In other words, can I view two live events at one time using PIP?)

Thanks
post #9817 of 17538
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Originally Posted by enator View Post

It seems that I have to put these pictures here for second time. This is what you will get after calibration of both sets. So I hope this will help you to choose your set.

On the top 8G bottom 7G:

enator: Just curious why not set both TVs to the same settings? Also are these both new, or is the 7G been out on the floor or hooked up for some time longer.. I mean if you both opened the boxes up on these and tested them and then calibrated them then WOW... huge difference, but if the 7G series has been running awhile and been used over a year or longer then, not so sure...
Regardless those pics show a huge difference..
post #9818 of 17538
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Originally Posted by umr View Post

Your Pioneer calibration may be off. I did a Sony XBR 960 back to back with a 150FD. While both are excellent displays the 150FD looked better overall to me. The processing in the Pioneer was clearly superior and the blacks on both were excellent. The colors were slightly better on the Sony CRT, but I would give the edge to the Pioneer for overall look. I would not say either was easily better than the other except the Pioneer was much easier to watch because of its size.

I was the one lucky enough to have Jeff calibrate both my 150FD and Sony XBR960 and it is truly amazing how much better they both look now. I agree with Jeff that the Sony has very slightly better colors but the the 150FD draws you more into the video due to the great screen size. The 150FD is like a super size Sony XBR 960 which is truly astonishing

I feel very fortunate that I was able to have Jeff calibrate both my TVs and sounds system he truly does an amazing job on both video and especially the audio system. Before he came out for the calibration he was kind enough to help me with recommendations for the speakers, sub woofer and AVR that I was debating about.

If you are looking for someone to calibrate your new Kuro I highly recommend Jeff who is very passionate and gifted and an overall great guy to work with.

- Larry
post #9819 of 17538
I've settled on the PDP6010 with a nice studio tech triple ultra u-22T and was wondering if most use the stand or hang them. I was leaning towards the wall mount but have come back to thinking the stand option would be better, I could then secure it to the wall with wire. Next, I want to use my Dtv hr10-250 component outputs to feed two sources, one hdmi and one component tv in the same room via a matrix component switcher. I haven't had a problem with component hd outputs to my tv, and when I get a hd Player I will wind up with two hdmi sources(unless I go HD dvd and BluRay as well) to plug into my 6010. I really like the design of the vented studioTech cabinets. Will the Pioneer have any problems with an HD source using component cable?
I was wondering what preference you guys had for stand mount vs wall mount. I currently have a 50" Hitachi ultravision CRT based rear projection. It really has a wonderful picture and I actually have no good reason to get rid of it. I know there would be a picture upgrade to some degree, but visuslly everything would be a huge improvement for the wife who has been soooooooooooo patient.
post #9820 of 17538
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Originally Posted by SephirothXR View Post

So this ONLY works with a cable card? If so, that will make my decision a lot easier, or just I'll be happier with my decision I guess.

No. Also with OTA, as you quoted. Doh.
post #9821 of 17538
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Originally Posted by 10th St. View Post

Dallas

Sorry, can't help. Here in the DC area there are B&M Elite dealers that have prices equal to the www prices.
post #9822 of 17538
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Originally Posted by MadCityBrad View Post

I am looking at getting the PDP 5080hd. I have a question regarding the PIP function.
I will be using the cable card with my cable company. Will I be able to get a PIP picture using the cable card as one picture and a DVR on one of the HDMI inputs as the other picture? (In other words, can I view two live events at one time using PIP?)

Thanks

With CablCARD/ANT input (internal source) & DVR (external source) PIP is supported. I can do this with my PRO-150FD. I am using a CableCARD w/coax to ANT A input plus the component connection from an SA8300HDC and I believe HDMI will behave the same way. From page 37 of the owner's manual:

"The multiscreen function cannot display images from the same input source or two external input sources at the same time. If you make such an attempt, a warning message appears."
post #9823 of 17538
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Originally Posted by lgwinn View Post

I was the one lucky enough to have Jeff calibrate both my 150FD and Sony XBR960 and it is truly amazing how much better they both look now. I agree with Jeff that the Sony has very slightly better colors but the the 150FD draws you more into the video due to the great screen size. The 150FD is like a super size Sony XBR 960 which is truly astonishing

I feel very fortunate that I was able to have Jeff calibrate both my TVs and sounds system he truly does an amazing job on both video and especially the audio system. Before he came out for the calibration he was kind enough to help me with recommendations for the speakers, sub woofer and AVR that I was debating about.

If you are looking for someone to calibrate your new Kuro I highly recommend Jeff who is very passionate and gifted and an overall great guy to work with.

- Larry


Thank you Larry. It is a shame how few people consider audio calibration or prepurchase consulting services. Most people could have a far superior experience if they did.
post #9824 of 17538
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Originally Posted by maxdb View Post

For video image quality, I don't see any difference (or measure anything different) between HDMI cables ranging in price from free to $135 at lengths up to 12 feet. Longer cable lengths... cable quality WILL make a difference but only in how long the cable can be before you need a signal booster to keep from losing too much signal.

HDMI cables do vary in AUDIO sound quality from cable to cable, but price alone doesn't seem to be the determining factor... a $17 and $135 cable I have are the best for audio... the $50 cable is not as good as either of those.

Not having a difference in image quality between digital cables is not surprising. Audio is a true analog experience-sound is produced continually without interruption. Digital video has this "buffer" that's always there. If you are viewing 1920x1080p... the display receives data for 6.2 million pixels. It has 1/60th of a second or so to get all that data into the right registers for the next frame. The Frame flashes up for 1/60th of a second... all pixels at the same time. So digital video is not really analog AT ALL. It's flash-flash-flash-flash... and the incoming data has plenty of time to get perfectly organized for the next frame. It's just numbers moving into registers. As long as the cable doesn't lose numbers, it can't CHANGE numbers. When the signal gets too weak from long cable runs, THEN you can have problems pulling the right numbers out of the signal (signal to noise ratio is very high because the signal is low).

Thanks max. That's very interesting stuff re video vs audio. You are a great resource! Would you mind sharing what the $17 HDMI cable is? Audio is extremely important to me.
post #9825 of 17538
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Originally Posted by cmulder View Post

Hey folks, excuse me if this is been covered, but this is a 100 page thread now, so a bit tough to read throught he entire thing. If it was covered, maybe someone can give me an idea as to where in the thread.

Anyway, just recently got the PDP-5080--the colors look most stunning in the Dynamic mode, but I read somewhere that you aren't supposed to view in that mode that its only for the showroom, etc., and it will burn the Plasma out sooner. Anything to that?

I doubt most (any?) posters in this forum use Dynamic mode. Using D-Nices settings in user mode will produce a much more realistic picture. Dynamic on my 6010 looks very artificial to me, almost a neon glow. If that is what appeals to you sense of picture quality then just watch the contrast level as higher levels make it more susceptible to image retention.
post #9826 of 17538
Anyone have an opinion on the optimum mode?
post #9827 of 17538
complaint that there is buzzing sound coming from the the back of TV, especially it's a bit loud every i change the video input. However, it can only be heard within 2,3 feet and when there is no sound from the source Well, i sit 15 feet away from the TV and of course, i play BD or DVD whenever i turn it on.

I am still learning my new tv, though. Blu-Ray looks great on this TV.


Question: has anyone tried upconvert DVD to 1080p on this tv yet? such as Oppodigital 981HD?

thanks.
post #9828 of 17538
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Originally Posted by keithhr View Post

I've settled on the PDP6010 with a nice studio tech triple ultra u-22T and was wondering if most use the stand or hang them. I was leaning towards the wall mount but have come back to thinking the stand option would be better, I could then secure it to the wall with wire. Next, I want to use my Dtv hr10-250 component outputs to feed two sources, one hdmi and one component tv in the same room via a matrix component switcher. I haven't had a problem with component hd outputs to my tv, and when I get a hd Player I will wind up with two hdmi sources(unless I go HD dvd and BluRay as well) to plug into my 6010. I really like the design of the vented studioTech cabinets. Will the Pioneer have any problems with an HD source using component cable?
I was wondering what preference you guys had for stand mount vs wall mount. I currently have a 50" Hitachi ultravision CRT based rear projection. It really has a wonderful picture and I actually have no good reason to get rid of it. I know there would be a picture upgrade to some degree, but visuslly everything would be a huge improvement for the wife who has been soooooooooooo patient.



I use stand mount. This TV is heavy and huge to hang on the wall, unless you do custom build for wall stud. From siting position TV looks great on stand. I would hang 50" on the wall by the way.
post #9829 of 17538
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Originally Posted by michaelv View Post

complaint that there is buzzing sound coming from the the back of TV, especially it's a bit loud every i change the video input. However, it can only be heard within 2,3 feet and when there is no sound from the source Well, i sit 15 feet away from the TV and of course, i play BD or DVD whenever i turn it on.

I am still learning my new tv, though. Blu-Ray looks great on this TV.


Question: has anyone tried upconvert DVD to 1080p on this tv yet? such as Oppodigital 981HD?

thanks.

There is a buzz poll question (currently on the second page of the plasma thread) through which we hope to capture everyone's experience on this matter. Please feel free to respond.
post #9830 of 17538
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Originally Posted by michaelv View Post

I use stand mount. This TV is heavy and huge to hang on the wall, unless you do custom build for wall stud. From siting position TV looks great on stand. I would hang 50" on the wall by the way.

I inquired earlier about a wall mount for the 150FD and the Sanus VMDD26B was recomended by SaltiDawg (post #9566). He did not mention any special reinforcements for wall studs.
post #9831 of 17538
Does anyone know how to figure out how long the TV has been turned on since it was purchased? I am currently working on the break-in period, and lost count of the time and will like to find out if there is a service menu that will tell me how long the set has been on. Thank you
post #9832 of 17538
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Originally Posted by highheater View Post

I inquired earlier about a wall mount for the 150FD and the Sanus VMDD26B was recomended by SaltiDawg (post #9566). He did not mention any special reinforcements for wall studs.

My home is a two story single family residence that is 34 years old and of average construtcion with studs spaced 16" on centers.

The mount bolts into two studs and no "special reinforcements" were required. IIRC the 150FD weighs 124 pounds sans speakers and the Sanus VMDD26B weighs 64 pounds. The mount easily supported my 200 pound weight.
post #9833 of 17538
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Originally Posted by lgwinn View Post

I was the one lucky enough to have Jeff calibrate both my 150FD and Sony XBR960 and it is truly amazing how much better they both look now.

Thanks for the calibration report. I've added it to the owner's list of calibration reports for flat panels that is linked at the bottom of my post.
post #9834 of 17538
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Thanks for the calibration report. I've added it to the owner's list of calibration reports for flat panels that is linked at the bottom of my post.

I had UMR do my upstairs system (PRO-FHD1) last year and my downstairs system (PRO-150FD) last week. He also calibrated both associated audio systems. Highly recommended.
post #9835 of 17538
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Originally Posted by I WANT MORE View Post

Anyone have an opinion on the optimum mode?

Not many people here seem to use it, as they tend to prefer the "low" color setting such as those D-Nice recommends, which is technically more accurate. Optimum is locked into "mid," which gives a cooler, bluish cast to the picture.

The general population (not this forum) tends to prefer a "cooler" look, which provides a subjectively brighter, crisper picture, even if it may not accurately depict what the producer had in mind. That is why most manufacturers, including Pioneer, default to cooler (higher) color temperature settings. Popular taste was no doubt a factor in Pioneer's design of the Optimum setting. It's designed to be an all purpose solution for the typical owner.

I'm in a minority here, but to my eye Optimum looks excellent with video or live transmissions (especially sports), and I use it for those, as well as with some SD broadcasts which to me may look over-saturated with the warmer, reddish, low setting. I generally use my own custom "User" settings for film based HD broadcast material and Movie for DVD's. However, I sometimes revert to Optimum to impress guests, who generally like it better than my carefully dialed in "accurate" settings at first glance.

If all source material conformed to established standards, all ancillary equipment passed the source signal perfectly, and we all had the same tastes, there could be agreement about the "correct" settings. As it is, it's an individual matter, so every owner should chose the settings that look "right" to him.
post #9836 of 17538
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Originally Posted by Macfan424 View Post

Not many people here seem to use it, as they tend to prefer the "low" color setting such as those D-Nice recommends, which is technically more accurate. Optimum is locked into "mid," which gives a cooler, bluish cast to the picture.

The general population (not this forum) tends to prefer a "cooler" look, which provides a subjectively brighter, crisper picture, even if it may not accurately depict what the producer had in mind. That is why most manufacturers, including Pioneer, default to cooler (higher) color temperature settings. Popular taste was no doubt a factor in Pioneer's design of the Optimum setting. It's designed to be an all purpose solution for the typical owner.

I'm in a minority here, but to my eye Optimum looks excellent with video or live transmissions (especially sports), and I use it for those, as well as with some SD broadcasts which to me may look over-saturated with the warmer, reddish, low setting. I generally use my own custom "User" settings for film based HD broadcast material and Movie for DVD's. However, I sometimes revert to Optimum to impress guests, who generally like it better than my carefully dialed in "accurate" settings at first glance.

If all source material conformed to established standards, all ancillary equipment passed the source signal perfectly, and we all had the same tastes, there could be agreement about the "correct" settings. As it is, it's an individual matter, so every owner should chose the settings that look "right" to him.

Isn't it nice to be able to have a opinion!
post #9837 of 17538
agree 100%

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Originally Posted by Macfan424 View Post

Not many people here seem to use it, as they tend to prefer the "low" color setting such as those D-Nice recommends, which is technically more accurate. Optimum is locked into "mid," which gives a cooler, bluish cast to the picture.

The general population (not this forum) tends to prefer a "cooler" look, which provides a subjectively brighter, crisper picture, even if it may not accurately depict what the producer had in mind. That is why most manufacturers, including Pioneer, default to cooler (higher) color temperature settings. Popular taste was no doubt a factor in Pioneer's design of the Optimum setting. It's designed to be an all purpose solution for the typical owner.

I'm in a minority here, but to my eye Optimum looks excellent with video or live transmissions (especially sports), and I use it for those, as well as with some SD broadcasts which to me may look over-saturated with the warmer, reddish, low setting. I generally use my own custom "User" settings for film based HD broadcast material and Movie for DVD's. However, I sometimes revert to Optimum to impress guests, who generally like it better than my carefully dialed in "accurate" settings at first glance.

If all source material conformed to established standards, all ancillary equipment passed the source signal perfectly, and we all had the same tastes, there could be agreement about the "correct" settings. As it is, it's an individual matter, so every owner should chose the settings that look "right" to him.
post #9838 of 17538
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

Isn't it nice to be able to have a opinion!

Yep!
post #9839 of 17538
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Originally Posted by JFR0317 View Post

I had UMR do my upstairs system (PRO-FHD1) last year and my downstairs system (PRO-150FD) last week. He also calibrated both associated audio systems. Highly recommended.

Thanks for the report. I've included your 150FD in the flat panel list linked at the bottom of my post.
post #9840 of 17538
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Originally Posted by SaltiDawg View Post

Sorry, can't help. Here in the DC area there are B&M Elite dealers that have prices equal to the www prices.

Boy, not down here (Fort Lauderdale.) They're insulted if you even suggest anything but full price. If anybody has found a good deal in South Florida, please PM me.
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