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post #10711 of 12870
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Originally Posted by p59teitel View Post

Here's the link where you can download the 5080 Service Manual.

The diagram showing where the fan is located on the chassis is on page 166. There's another reference to the fan on page 171 in the multi-base diagram, but I think it's just some sort of wiring clip.

Anyway, I'll be damned if I can find it by looking through the vent holes wih a flashlight. The diagrams show it somewhere just to the left of the power supply when looking at the display from the back, but I can't find it. Good luck!


Thanks for the link to the 5080 service manual. It will interesting to compare the 5010 and 5080.
post #10712 of 12870
i'll enjoy the beauty more if i knew who the subject is: 1050, 1150,5080...?

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Originally Posted by FINN360 View Post

What's this? An amazing find! It's an elusive Kuro Fan! Many will speak of it but few will ever witness its beauty. Careful not to spook it or it may run off, never to be seen again!

post #10713 of 12870
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Originally Posted by MadCityBrad View Post

RE: PDP 5080HD
Well it has happened a second time. Input #2 quit working again.
I switched my DVR to input #3 and it works fine, so does the cable card.

Last time, on May 20, 2008, the repairman replaced a circuit board. It seemed to correct the problem at the time.

But, over the last couple of days, the video would flicker for a second or two, but the video did come back on. Now it is just audio again on Input #2.

I have an appointment set up for next Tues for another service call.

I'll keep you posted on the problem and solution.

Has anyone else had this problem?
(Mathesar does this sound like your problem? And what are they doing to fix it?)

Unplugging it for a few minutes did not correct the problem.

Thanks,
Brad

If I was you, I'd get an exchange on the DVR and replace the HDMI cable with a Cat 2 HDMI cable from www.monoprice.com (very reasonable cost) in case something going on in the DVR is damaging the interface board in the display... like over-voltage spikes or something like that. And if there's no surge suppression/power conditioning, I'd seriously consider adding that as well since some source components (the DVR perhaps) are not very elegant in their handling of line surges.

There is no reported history on the Pioneer displays (so far) of people having problems with HDMI boards - so my approach is that the failures are due to a problem in the external source component, not in the display. You can replace the HDMI board over and over and over again, but unless you solve the source problem, the HDMI board will just keep failing.
post #10714 of 12870
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Originally Posted by drgkja View Post

i'll enjoy the beauty more if i knew who the subject is: 1050, 1150,5080...?

I found this pic in another thread. The OP just mentioned it was an Elite so probably either an 1150 or 110. I checked out the fan situation in my 1150's SM last night. It displays Temp 1, Temp 2, Fan 1, and Fan 2. Fan 1 displayed the message "Stopped". Fan 2 has no listing so it does appear there is only one fan in the 1150. It seems to keep track in real time as I saw the temp display fluctuate slightly on the screen.
post #10715 of 12870
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Originally Posted by MadCityBrad View Post

Well I'll find out soon enough. The store ordered another new circuit board.
The store and Pioneer talked and decided to replace the same circuit board again. So apparently Pioneer thinks that they have diagnosed the problem circuits.

If it is my DVR (a Motorola Moxi which I have had from Charter for almost 4 years now.) I wonder how they will determine that? (It did not damage my old RCA analog tv)

If you have had the DVR for 4 years, it's time for an upgrade anyway. Take the DVR back to the busy cable co. offices and tell them the old DVR box doesn't work reliably with your new HDTV and you'd like a replacement with an HDMI interface. Should be no-charge.
post #10716 of 12870
adding my thanks for the link..it will be useful for many issues.

re fan- at least now i know which direction to shine the light towards though i don't think i'll find it either in the tight space/limited visibility


Quote:
Originally Posted by p59teitel View Post

Here's the link where you can download the 5080 Service Manual.

The diagram showing where the fan is located on the chassis is on page 166. There's another reference to the fan on page 171 in the multi-base diagram, but I think it's just some sort of wiring clip.

Anyway, I'll be damned if I can find it by looking through the vent holes wih a flashlight. The diagrams show it somewhere just to the left of the power supply when looking at the display from the back, but I can't find it. Good luck!
post #10717 of 12870
ok..thanks for the speedy response

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Originally Posted by FINN360 View Post

I found this pic in another thread. The OP just mentioned it was an Elite so probably either an 1150 or 110. I checked out the fan situation in my 1150's SM last night. It displays Temp 1, Temp 2, Fan 1, and Fan 2. Fan 1 displayed the message "Stopped". Fan 2 has no listing so it does appear there is only one fan in the 1150. It seems to keep track in real time as I saw the temp display fluctuate slightly on the screen.
post #10718 of 12870
Probably as good a time as any to inquire about Calibration discs (Avia etc.), as I'll be turning 150 hours on the new 6010 tomorrow nite. Any favorites or ones to strictly avoid? (I may get several opinions here, I'm sure).

I've done cals before, back in the "old days" when my 32" WEGA was new, using "A Video Standard". One thing I did learn over the years was to use the highest quality "source" and then not worry needlessly when the Engineers at the networks took naps late at night, and the color etc. "drifted" a bit...

I'm thinking of using the Avia, but experienced opinions welcome.

************

On the subject of cooling fans, my observations during the last week or two, is that none of the three topmost fans run (room temp no higher than 82).

I did a lookup of that fan type after looking at the back of one of my top three fans on the 6010, and it looks like a nice quality fan. A Minebea 4710KL series which is a Ball Bearing fan.
post #10719 of 12870
.. DVE (in Blu-Ray):

http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...rade-deal.html

add: 'big river' has for 19 clams.
post #10720 of 12870
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Originally Posted by creakyneck View Post

Probably as good a time as any to inquire about Calibration discs (Avia etc.), as I'll be turning 150 hours on the new 6010 tomorrow nite. Any favorites or ones to strictly avoid? (I may get several opinions here, I'm sure).

I've done cals before, back in the "old days" when my 32" WEGA was new, using "A Video Standard". One thing I did learn over the years was to use the highest quality "source" and then not worry needlessly when the Engineers at the networks took naps late at night, and the color etc. "drifted" a bit... I'm thinking of using the Avia, but experienced opinions welcome.....

highly suggest you start with D nices recommended setttings on page one post six and adjust from there as you see fit.

should give you a better pic then calibration disc.
post #10721 of 12870
I'd recommend the new Blu-Ray DVE, too. It's much easier to navigate than the DVD or Laserdisc versions (which I also use).

D-Nice says DVE doesn't play well with his settings, although that hasn't been a problem for me with the Blu-Ray version. He may have been referring just to the SD DVD. In any case, you can always lower the color control to suit your taste when looking at actual programming, if need be.

For me, the biggest problem with a calibration disc is that it only applies to the disc player and input(s) it is used with. You still have to "eyeball" the other inputs, or just use someone else's settings.
post #10722 of 12870
or you can just switch the player to each input, right?
post #10723 of 12870
The player is the biggest limitation. The settings on your Blu-Ray player are unlikely to be correct for your other sources. Mine, for example, requires a color setting several notches higher than anything else to make the colors on the screen appear to be the same.
post #10724 of 12870
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Originally Posted by Macfan424 View Post

The player is the biggest limitation. The settings on your Blu-Ray player are unlikely to be correct for your other sources. Mine, for example, requires a color setting several notches higher than anything else to make the colors on the screen appear to be the same.

Yeah, I use different modes for TV watching & Blu-Ray/HD DVD. The settings themselves arent similar either. I have never beena fan of those Cal discs. It just seems that the test patterns and such dont quite jive with what you expect to see. I dunno. Then, using D-NICE settings as a baseline along with help & service menu offsets from other forum members has made my 5080 just about perfect. I just dont need a cal disc I guess.
post #10725 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Updated 3/27/2008

Pioneer 5010FD/6010FD Reference Settings

Main Menu:
AV Selection: User
Contrast: 33
Brightness: 0
Color: -10
Tint: Red 2
Sharpness: -15


Pro Adjust

Pure Cinema

Film Mode: Standard
Text Optimization: Off


Picture Detail:

DRE Picture: Off
Black Level: Off
ACL: Off
Enhancer Mode: 2
Gamma: 3


Color Detail:

Color Temp: Low

CTI: Off


Noise Reduction:

3DNR: Off
Field NR: Off


Power Save Mode: Off

Orbiter: Mode 2 (Dot by Dot Stretch Mode) Mode 1 (All other Stretch Modes)


Note:
  • The color setting has been set to bring the overall color saturation to levels where everything "appears" correct. Feel free to change the color setting to your liking.


I just purchased the Pioneer 5010 FD and I want to break it in. Am I to use the DVD Break-in as it mentioned? The DVD players I have are a Sony DVP-NS77H/S and a Playstation 3. Which one should I be using to break it then TV?
post #10726 of 12870
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Originally Posted by Bluray Rulez View Post

I just purchased the Pioneer 5010 FD and I want to break it in. Am I to use the DVD Break-in as it mentioned? The DVD players I have are a Sony DVP-NS77H/S and a Playstation 3. Which one should I be using to break it then TV?


It doesn't matter. As long as the player can support the repeat function embedded in the break-IN DVD, it should work fine.

A_C
post #10727 of 12870
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Originally Posted by Agent_C View Post

It doesn't matter. As long as the player can support the repeat function embedded in the break-IN DVD, it should work fine.

A_C

Thank you. But do I use the settings for my TV model or go with the general one that was initially first posted?

The Official Pioneer 8G Kuro Settings/Issues Thread

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Recommended (which means it's OPTIONAL!!!!) 150 Hour Break-In settings for Pioneer 4280/5080/5010FD/6010FD/Elite 950/1150/110FD/150FD (ONLY to be used with Evangelo2's Break-in DVD and a DVD player!!! DO NOT USE THESE SETTINGS WITH ANY OTHER DVD, CABLE BOX, SAT BOX, ETC!!!!!!!!!!)

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Standard
Contrast: 50
Brightness: -2
Color: +15
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0


Pro Adjust

Pure Cinema

Film Mode: Off


Picture Detail:

DRE Picture: High
Black Level: Off
ACL: Off
Enhancer Mode: 2
Gamma: 3


Color Detail:

Color Temp: High

CTI: Off


Noise Reduction:

DNR: Off
Field NR: Off


Power Save Mode: Off

Orbiter: On
post #10728 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluray Rulez View Post

Thank you. But do I use the settings for my TV model or go with the general one that was initially first posted?

The Official Pioneer 8G Kuro Settings/Issues Thread

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Recommended (which means it's OPTIONAL!!!!) 150 Hour Break-In settings for Pioneer 4280/5080/5010FD/6010FD/Elite 950/1150/110FD/150FD (ONLY to be used with Evangelo2's Break-in DVD and a DVD player!!! DO NOT USE THESE SETTINGS WITH ANY OTHER DVD, CABLE BOX, SAT BOX, ETC!!!!!!!!!!)

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Standard
Contrast: 50
Brightness: -2
Color: +15
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0


Pro Adjust

Pure Cinema

Film Mode: Off


Picture Detail:

DRE Picture: High
Black Level: Off
ACL: Off
Enhancer Mode: 2
Gamma: 3


Color Detail:

Color Temp: High

CTI: Off


Noise Reduction:

DNR: Off
Field NR: Off


Power Save Mode: Off

Orbiter: On

The above settings, but ONLY for the break-in DVD. For normal watching, use the settings on the first page of this thread, specifically for the 5010.

A_C
post #10729 of 12870
Golly,So much info i dont know where to begin.Tomorrow i will be hooking up my new 1150hd unit.How do i want to set it up and will i need to change the settings to something else once i get a few hours on it?

Thanks i'm new to plasmas
post #10730 of 12870
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Originally Posted by clnconcpts View Post

Golly,So much info i dont know where to begin.Tomorrow i will be hooking up my new 1150hd unit.How do i want to set it up and will i need to change the settings to something else once i get a few hours on it?

Thanks i'm new to plasmas

.. hdmi (dvd/stb) into plasma, digital audio-out to AVR; settings go to page #1 to break-in settings first 150hrs w/ break-in DVD (free dll), otherwise use D-Nice 'reference' settings and enjoy.

p.s. if chosing the break-in route, you can view other programming using 'reference' settings & use 'break-in' time/settings during lawn work duties. Use break-in settings for break-in DVD Only.
post #10731 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by daniel'son View Post

.. hdmi (dvd/stb) into plasma, digital audio-out to AVR; settings go to page #1 to break-in settings first 150hrs w/ break-in DVD (free dll), otherwise use D-Nice 'reference' settings and enjoy.

p.s. if chosing the break-in route, you can view other programming using 'reference' settings & use 'break-in' time/settings during lawn work duties. Use break-in settings for Only break-in DVD.

Where are the reference settings.Wont be using break in dvd.with those settings would it change after i have some hours on it
post #10732 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by clnconcpts View Post

Where are the reference settings.Wont be using break in dvd.with those settings would it change after i have some hours on it

.. first page post #3 (D-Nice recent update); you may need to tweak down the line but I haven't gotten there yet.
post #10733 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadCityBrad View Post

When they repair my 5080 they have to take off the entire back panel.
If I remember, I'll look for fans and report back.

Brad

Looks like the 5080 just has the one internal fan.
Comes on at low speed at 89.6F
System shutdown if the temp reaches 143.6F..........
I guess these TVs can withstand a lot of heat.
post #10734 of 12870
Thanks for the info, I'll be coming off the initial 150 hours with Evangelo's DVD and D-Nices settings tomorrow evening early, and have a copy of the Reference settings ready to input. From the little bit I've watched with the "default settings"( first half of "Pitch Black") I'll probably be quite happy with the tweaking that D-Nice's settings provide. If I get the urge to tweak with a Cal. Disc, I'll get one later just to see. But the 6010 is great as is

As far as sources go, just Dish 622 receiver ( I know, "HD Lite"...), and a Sony S560 DVD player, but I'm giving thought to one of the new Pioneers in late July/Aug. Have to check the reviews when they come out...
post #10735 of 12870
MadCityBrad's problem is with input 2....that is NOT an HDMI input

Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn View Post

If I was you, I'd get an exchange on the DVR and replace the HDMI cable with a Cat 2 HDMI cable from www.monoprice.com (very reasonable cost) in case something going on in the DVR is damaging the interface board in the display... like over-voltage spikes or something like that. And if there's no surge suppression/power conditioning, I'd seriously consider adding that as well since some source components (the DVR perhaps) are not very elegant in their handling of line surges.

There is no reported history on the Pioneer displays (so far) of people having problems with HDMI boards - so my approach is that the failures are due to a problem in the external source component, not in the display. You can replace the HDMI board over and over and over again, but unless you solve the source problem, the HDMI board will just keep failing.
post #10736 of 12870
I have a Pro-150 fd, and a quick question. Does the Kuro show "24p" or something like it on the screen when it's getting that signal? I have a new Blu-ray player, the Samsung 1500, and when I push 'display' on the Kuro remote, it only shows "Pure" and "1080p". I had a Panasonic BD30 a while ago, and I swear that my Kuro showed something like "24p" back then. Maybe I just remember incorrectly, but I'd like to know if there's something going on here. I know I have all the right settings on the Samsung, because my Denon 4308 receiver is showing 24p when I go into that menu. Could it be a handshake issue?

Thanks.
post #10737 of 12870
Q: Why are there 2 RGB settings for each color? What distinguishes high from low?

Here’s why I’m asking;

I’m abundantly happy with the picture on my 5010, except for a pinkish-red blush on the flesh tones. I applied the recommended settings for an approximate 6500K calibration and it just didn’t look right; too dark, with a reddish-yellow cast.

I ended up with the following:



It’s close to what I want, but doesn’t have the strikingly accurate flesh tones that the Sony XBR4 has.

Any recommendations?

A_C
post #10738 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Brian View Post

I have a Pro-150 fd, and a quick question. Does the Kuro show "24p" or something like it on the screen when it's getting that signal? I have a new Blu-ray player, the Samsung 1500, and when I push 'display' on the Kuro remote, it only shows "Pure" and "1080p". I had a Panasonic BD30 a while ago, and I swear that my Kuro showed something like "24p" back then. Maybe I just remember incorrectly, but I'd like to know if there's something going on here. I know I have all the right settings on the Samsung, because my Denon 4308 receiver is showing 24p when I go into that menu. Could it be a handshake issue?

Thanks.

That's a known quirk with the 8G Kuros. If you want to check whether it's getting the desired signal, go into your HDMI settings in the Kuro's user menu and change that input to PC. You will then be able to see 1080p24 to verify, then switch the input back, don't leave it set to PC.
post #10739 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Brian View Post

I have a Pro-150 fd, and a quick question. Does the Kuro show "24p" or something like it on the screen when it's getting that signal? I have a new Blu-ray player, the Samsung 1500, and when I push 'display' on the Kuro remote, it only shows "Pure" and "1080p". I had a Panasonic BD30 a while ago, and I swear that my Kuro showed something like "24p" back then. Maybe I just remember incorrectly, but I'd like to know if there's something going on here. I know I have all the right settings on the Samsung, because my Denon 4308 receiver is showing 24p when I go into that menu. Could it be a handshake issue?

Thanks.


I have a Pro-150 fd, and a quick question. Does the Kuro show "24p" or something like it on the screen when it's getting that signal?
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post #10740 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn View Post

If you have had the DVR for 4 years, it's time for an upgrade anyway. Take the DVR back to the busy cable co. offices and tell them the old DVR box doesn't work reliably with your new HDTV and you'd like a replacement with an HDMI interface. Should be no-charge.

My 5080 is using the Moxi DVR. I also have a 4280 with a Motorola DCH3416 (which would be the other choice)--with an interface that I hate.

The Moxi is much more intuitive and better looking (although the picture isn't quite as good as the DCH3416)

Charter is rolling out a new Moxi model sometime in the third quarter of this year. I do not know if my market will be getting the new Moxi model, they are pretty hush hush on that stuff. But if and when a new model is released here, I'll try and get two of them.

Presently, Moxi's are pretty hard to get in this area.
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