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post #10891 of 12870
CC as in cablecard? because you don't buy them, they come from cable providers. you rent them, and you need cable service.
post #10892 of 12870
what is the proper setting for a h20 directv sat box so that my 5080 does all the conversion(native,480i,480p,720p,1080i)?
post #10893 of 12870
SOB. Thanks for the heads up.
Well, then how does it manage to be superior? My two local cable companies have pitiful PQ and pitiful channel line-ups.(can't even count how many less HD channels they have and no Sunday Ticketr)
post #10894 of 12870
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Originally Posted by woody0654 View Post

what is the proper setting for a h20 directv sat box so that my 5080 does all the conversion(native,480i,480p,720p,1080i)?

Native.
post #10895 of 12870
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

Native.

thank you
post #10896 of 12870
And don't be startled by the lines and time when changing channels that have different resolutions if this is your first HDTV....it is completely normal.
post #10897 of 12870
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Originally Posted by Russ1150 View Post

The only reason I knew what I was missing is because of the fact I wanted to take advantage of PAP on my 1150 utilizing a CC as my second input. Most plasmas no longer offer PAP functionality so, as you said, 99% of customers will never know what they are missing. I am curious about how a professional calibrator overcomes the degraded PQ from a STB.

The biggest problem with a CC is no two way communication and thus no movies on demand and no channel guide.

I used a CableCARD with my PRO-150FD for a while before TW went to SDV. With the ANT A/CableCARD & STB input sources the PIP/Split Screen features of my PRO-150FD worked nicely.
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Originally Posted by jet757f View Post

Channel guide works fine just no movies on demand.
It is really sad that Pioneer has chosen not to offer the cable card option on the 9g series TVs.

True, no FiOS IPTV services are supported (e.g. EPG) w/CableCARD.
post #10898 of 12870
Hello all.....
I have some nonsense questions if you all dont mind

1. how does one set the color of the side bars on this tv?

2. when I first turned on the tv...i was asked to go through the tv guide setup....
i stupidly pressed "yes" ......and it said that it would search and be ready in a few hours...
well.... i have decided to go to a cable box instead

is the TV guide still searching for info?.....and if it is.....how to turn it off?

3. will fingerprints ruin the screen since it gets soo hot?


i know these are dumb questions......sorry
but thanks
post #10899 of 12870
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Originally Posted by Russ1150 View Post

The biggest problem with a CC is no two way communication and thus no movies on demand and no channel guide.

how about DVR capabilities?
post #10900 of 12870
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Originally Posted by G-star View Post

how about DVR capabilities?

Since July 07' all new cable provided DVR-STBs have an M-Card slot that support interactive services (e.g. PPV, on-Demand, EPG and SDV).

Why doesn't TiVo?
post #10901 of 12870
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

I used a CableCARD with my PRO-150FD for a while before TW went to SDV. With the ANT A/CableCARD & STB input sources the PIP/Split Screen features of my PRO-150FD worked nicely.

My PIP and PAP features work just fine. My point was that I easily could see the difference in PQ between the STB and CC as a result of the PAP feature.
post #10902 of 12870
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

No crap?
I think today is the day I research CC and possibly buy one online.
I love D*(compared to all other providers) but my local HD channels have been suffering the last two months or so and this would eliviate that.
Then when D*'s newest bird goes operational I can go back to strictly D*.

Sorry, I thought you were being facetious. I had no idea that you didn't know what a CableCard was.
post #10903 of 12870
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

Since July 07' all new cable provided DVR-STBs have an M-Card slot that support interactive services (e.g. PPV, on-Demand, EPG and SDV).

Why doesn't TiVo?

TivoHD came out before that. and i'm sure it would make it much more expensive.
post #10904 of 12870
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Originally Posted by Russ1150 View Post

My PIP and PAP features work just fine. My point was that I easily could see the difference in PQ between the STB and CC as a result of the PAP feature.

Gotcha! If you can see a difference w/picture quality between your STB & ANT input (I could too) using a split signal, just imagine what kind of image your PDP can generate with a home run going from the ground block to your TV.
post #10905 of 12870
I have used D-Nice's setting for my 6010 from the 1st page of this post and it looks great. My question is do i need to make any other "advanced" setting changes? I have seen some talk of the RGB menu or adjustments... is this something I need to tweak? If so, is there a post telling me how to do this? Thanks!
mgd
post #10906 of 12870
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Originally Posted by briansemerick View Post

TivoHD came out before that. and i'm sure it would make it much more expensive.

Why, two-tuners & (1) M-Card slot with a few firmware updates?

It isn't a BIG "leap" going from one-way to two-way interactive devices, only the Cable MSOs don't want you to have that option.
post #10907 of 12870
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

Since July 07' all new cable provided DVR-STBs have an M-Card slot that support interactive services (e.g. PPV, on-Demand, EPG and SDV).

You are going to have to help me out here. How does this M-Card work in conjunction with a CC plugged into the back of my 1150?
post #10908 of 12870
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

Gotcha! If you can see a difference w/picture quality between your STB & ANT input (I could too) using a split signal, just imagine what kind of image your PDP can generate with a home run going from the ground block to your TV.

I have been told that a split signal with FiOS does not degrade PQ. Was I fed a line of BS? I also have a hard time believing the PQ gets better than my current CC input.
post #10909 of 12870
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

Why, two-tuners & (1) M-Card slot with a few firmware updates?

It isn't a BIG "leap" going from one-way to two-way interactive devices, only the Cable MSOs don't want you to have that option.

what devices besides cable boxes have tru2way?
post #10910 of 12870
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Originally Posted by Russ1150 View Post

You are going to have to help me out here. How does this M-Card work in conjunction with a CC plugged into the back of my 1150?

CableCARDs are single stream PODs M-Cards are multi-stream PODs. SA-8300HDC's support M-Cards and this DVR is a 2-way device. TiVo S3's support both types of PODs but remains a one-way device.
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Originally Posted by briansemerick View Post

what devices besides cable boxes have tru2way?

While the SA-8300HDC uses an M-Card and supports two-way digital services, there is no A/V equipment w/tru2way yet.

"Panasonic Bombs Tru2way Certification Tests: Report
Blogger Cites Sources Describing Disaster' On Two-Way TV Test


"The testing of the Panasonic unit was a "disaster of spectacular proportions"

"The unusually poor results indicate that Panasonic's first tru2way-based products won't be ready in time for the 2008 holiday shopping season"

"Representatives for Panasonic did not respond to requests for comment"
post #10911 of 12870
Why is it that cable providers do not want CC to have 2-way communication? What is the difference between a STB providing this capability versus a CC?
post #10912 of 12870
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Originally Posted by Russ1150 View Post

Why is it that cable providers do not want CC to have tru2way? What is the difference between a STB providing this capability versus a CC?

How much does it cost to rent a DVR per month...? Multiply that number by a few million subscribers and you can see why the Cable MSOs "mock" the FCC regarding their implementation of OCAP.
post #10913 of 12870
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

I don't have FiOS TV service yet (currently have FiOS Internet & phone) but when using any Cable/FiOS/satellite provider's sub-par STB you're best off with a component connection feeding 480p/1080i to your TV.

I am currently feeding it component straight to the TV and then optical out to the receiver for audio. Untill ALL content can be flagged to save On Demand with personal user profiles, I have no interest in a cable card. Most of my viewing is done off the DVR.
post #10914 of 12870
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

I used a CableCARD with my PRO-150FD for a while before TW went to SDV. With the ANT A/CableCARD & STB input sources the PIP/Split Screen features of my PRO-150FD worked nicely.
True, no FiOS IPTV services are supported (e.g. EPG) w/CableCARD.


So you are saying that the TV Guide on the 8g will not work with FiOS?
If this is true I guess I will stick with my cable as long as possible because it works great with the cable.
post #10915 of 12870
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

How much does it cost to rent a DVR per month...? Multiply that number by a few million subscribers and you can see why the Cable MSOs "mock" the FCC regarding their implementation of OCAP.

Why can't the Cable companies charge the same amount for a 2-way CC as they do for a STB? Why would DVR rentals become obsolete?
post #10916 of 12870
because cablecards are FCC mandated and price-limited.
post #10917 of 12870
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Originally Posted by Russ1150 View Post

Why can't the Cable companies charge the same amount for a 2-way CC as they do for a STB?

How can cable providers charge $17.40 per month (e.g. DVR) for a POD, which is merely an authorization & decryption device?
post #10918 of 12870
true in our area (northern NJ); Fios has NOT supported TVGOS since they started service here. so TVGOS does not work here whether you have a Panny or a 7G

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Originally Posted by jet757f View Post

So you are saying that the TV Guide on the 8g will not work with FiOS?
If this is true I guess I will stick with my cable as long as possible because it works great with the cable.
post #10919 of 12870
well...there are qualifications and myths.

1. within your premises, the splitting the coax (FIOs or cableCo) has the same effect. and if your input signal from either source is good, you can split it without any pq loss, specially, the digital channels will show now pq loss. if there is enough signal,you will good pic, else you don't get anything.

I am splitting my cable co signal to feed a modem and 5 video dvices- no problem with any channel.

2. the fios is is PON (passive optical network) upto your house or curb so the coax run is typical small and the general notion is that input signal is better than cable cos signal (i have not taken any measurements yet). in comparison, the cable co fiber network may stop several thousand feet from your home and that part is on coax and meeds repeaters, and theoretically more prone to degradation. as a sample, a friend of mine is able ot split the cable signal only one for the modem.


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Originally Posted by Russ1150 View Post

I have been told that a split signal with FiOS does not degrade PQ. Was I fed a line of BS? I also have a hard time believing the PQ gets better than my current CC input.
post #10920 of 12870
it is superior only in the relative sense...i.e., with cablecard, the tuning and demodulation is done by your tv, not an external stb...and in general the PIOs have better tuners/demods. if your input signal is crappy, cablecard cannot improve it. the cablecard only tells the cable system that you are paying customer and based on your code, allows to pass the channels you have subscribed for

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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

SOB. Thanks for the heads up.
Well, then how does it manage to be superior? My two local cable companies have pitiful PQ and pitiful channel line-ups.(can't even count how many less HD channels they have and no Sunday Ticketr)
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