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post #11821 of 12754
12/15/08 at 10:24am
umm... why can't I figure out how to use the Dual Tuner on the Pio 5010FD?

Can't get a second signal...

Current inputs:
HDMI 3 - PS3
HDMI 4 - Denon DVD
Component 1 - TV
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post #11822 of 12754
12/16/08 at 6:17pm
Well, I stopped by Best Buy this evening to see if they had any 8G Kuros left. I wanted to compare their noise to what I see on my 1150. They actually did have a 950 but it wasn't plugged in -- apparently they lost the power cord.

Since all the 2008 Kuros are 1080p and a generation newer, obviously the comparison isn't completely apt. As I expected, for the most part the Kuros on display were quite smooth. The 6020, however, had a lot of the same "dithering" effect that I see on my 1150. It was near a 700u (which I owned and hated), which looked much much cleaner.

I also found an old thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=991844) which describes *exactly* the same problem. Unfortunately, like that poster I think the noise is so horrible that I may have to get rid of the TV or call Pioneer and see if there truly is something wrong with it. With all the other posters on that thread seeing the same awful noise, I think it's almost certain that it's just an inherent flaw.

If only my room was big enough that I could move my couch 15+ feet away. Even at 11 feet the noise is quite distracting, especially on video content. You just don't get that "window" effect like you should on 60z sources. For film sources it's not as obvious.
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post #11823 of 12754
12/16/08 at 8:27pm
That's a real bummer. I have a 6010 and I can get within 8 feet before I notice anything but perfection. Even then it's not unbearable, but from my 11'-12' viewing distance it's just heavenly. I often have to remind myself that I'm *not* looking out of a window. I guess I should just thank my lucky stars and offer condolences.
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post #11824 of 12754
12/16/08 at 10:11pm
What's weird is that PC mode looks smooth and almost completely free of noise. Unfortunately it's really oversaturated and ugly.

Are there color controls in the service menu for PC mode?
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post #11825 of 12754
12/16/08 at 10:25pm
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Originally Posted by jimmyj1 View Post

Hi everyone,

I recently purchased a new 5080 and was having trouble hooking up my Denon receiver (for surround) to my tv. On Page 386 of this thread you can see where I posted my original question (post 11576) . I ended up getting help with that which seems to of fixed the problem but now I have a couple of other issues.

1) with my tv speakers on and my surround speakers on, there seems to be a delay with my surround speakers which are hooked up through normal audio cables for my input 4 on the tv (which is the hdmi one). The sound from my tv seams to be ahead of the same sound coming from receiver. This is kinda annoying.

2) The other issue is the subwoofer out from the tv. I am using this and love this feature. But when I also plug the cable from my Denon to the sub it messes everything up with a muffled humm. Any solutions besides unhooking the tv sub out? Which is not really what I wanted to do.

3) I was searching for the settings to use for a blu ray player / hd dvd player for the 5080. Are they the same as the Reference Settings for the 5080 which I am using for my HD sat receiver??

Thanks again for all the help and the great site. So nice to have resources at your finger tips.

Not sure you will like the advice but you need to decide to use your receiver for sound or just the TV itself. For example, running two cables to the sub (one from the 5080 and one from the sub-out/LFE on the receiver) can't be good when both are trying to send a signal. The other "delays" you refer to should be expected given that each device will process the sound on their own - "mixing" them is not a great idea.

Not sure what your speaker situation is; it reads like you are trying to use the TV speaker at the same time as the receiver speakers - again, not a great idea.
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post #11826 of 12754
12/17/08 at 10:13am
When I go to "picture adjustments" with my 150fd I notice a rather significant jump in picture brightness as I enter the menu. So I wonder whether I am making on screen adjustments based on a "menu level" lighting and that the changes might apply differently to the viewing image. I would appreciate any/all feedback regarding this anomaly; as to date I haven't seen any other posts referring to this problem.
Is this a problem unique to my set, can I correct it?
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post #11827 of 12754
12/17/08 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by transendance View Post

When I go to "picture adjustments" with my 150fd I notice a rather significant jump in picture brightness as I enter the menu. So I wonder whether I am making on screen adjustments based on a "menu level" lighting and that the changes might apply differently to the viewing image. I would appreciate any/all feedback regarding this anomaly; as to date I haven't seen any other posts referring to this problem.
Is this a problem unique to my set, can I correct it?

Do you have the room light sensor on?
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post #11828 of 12754
12/17/08 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Do you have the room light sensor on?

I would not be surprised that this may be a "perceived" difference in picture brightness, from overlaying the picture menu(s) in relation to the image on the screen.

Human "perception" can be funny that way.
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post #11829 of 12754
12/17/08 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

I would not be surprised that this may be a "perceived" difference in picture brightness, from overlaying the picture menu(s) in relation to the image on the screen.

Human "perception" can be funny that way.

True, however the room light sensor can cause the brightness levels to rise what entering the Home Menu.
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post #11830 of 12754
12/17/08 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

True, however the room light sensor can cause the brightness levels to rise what entering the Home Menu.

Your quick replies are very much appreciated, you know, I would not have thunk it, but,

I did have the room light sensor on, SILLY ME! I will check tonight when I have a better

opportunity and see if that did the trick! Thank you .... Trans
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post #11831 of 12754
12/17/08 at 2:17pm
I had my 5010 calibrated by Jeff from Accucal today;wow what a picture I thought it was good before but now . Jeff did a fantastic job and was very professional and explained every thing he done. Even my wife could tell the difference.
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post #11832 of 12754
12/17/08 at 9:22pm
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Originally Posted by bigsac65 View Post

I had my 5010 calibrated by Jeff (UMR) from www.accucalhd.com today;wow what a picture I thought it was good before but now . Jeff did a fantastic job and was very professional and explained every thing he done. Even my wife could tell the difference.

Thanks for your calibration report. I've included it in the flat panel (Post#2) list that's linked at the bottom of my post.
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post #11833 of 12754
12/17/08 at 9:34pm
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

True, however the room light sensor can cause the brightness levels to rise what entering the Home Menu.

I wasn't aware that the 8g had a room light sensor?? Wow, how do I access it in the home menu??
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post #11834 of 12754
12/17/08 at 9:46pm
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Originally Posted by dabrit View Post

I wasn't aware that the 8g had a room light sensor?? Wow, how do I access it in the home menu??

Home Menu > Option > last item on 2nd page.
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post #11835 of 12754
12/18/08 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by transendance View Post

Your quick replies are very much appreciated, you know, I would not have thunk it, but,

I did have the room light sensor on, SILLY ME! I will check tonight when I have a better

opportunity and see if that did the trick! Thank you .... Trans

Thank you, that seemed to do the trick.
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post #11836 of 12754
12/18/08 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by bigsac65 View Post

I had my 5010 calibrated by Jeff from Accucal today;wow what a picture I thought it was good before but now . Jeff did a fantastic job and was very professional and explained every thing he done. Even my wife could tell the difference.

Did Jeff calibate the grayscale (RGB Highs/Lows Controls in the Service Menu)?
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post #11837 of 12754
12/18/08 at 6:24pm
I believe he did; he was in and out of the service menu. As I said the picture is great we watched Master & Commander last night and the shadow detail below deck was greatly improved.
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post #11838 of 12754
12/23/08 at 5:29am
is there anything specific I have to do to get the unit to accept 1080p24 from a denon 3800?
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post #11839 of 12754
12/23/08 at 5:45am
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Originally Posted by ssabripo View Post

is there anything specific I have to do to get the unit to accept 1080p24 from a denon 3800?

no, you just need to decide which Pure Cinema mode you'd like to use. most people use Advance for 1080/24p which eliminates 3:2 pulldown, but feel free to experiment. there's no universally accepted "best" solution.
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post #11840 of 12754
12/24/08 at 4:55pm
Pioneer 5080 settings for correcting to much red in the flesh tones without going into the service menu.
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Contrast 30
Brightness 0
Color -15
Tint Green +15
Sharpness -7
PureCinema Film: Advance
Text off
Picture detail
DRE low
Black off
ACL off
Enhancer 2
Gamma 2
Color Temp Low
CTI off
3DNR off
FieldNR off
Power Save off
Orbiter on

This Pioneer needs genuine HDTV programming to produce accurate flesh tones. I'm using an Explorer 4250hd cable box set to auto hdmi.

Thinking about some service menu adjustments.
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post #11841 of 12754
12/26/08 at 9:50am
I was going to head over to a friend's house to calibrate his 5080 with my x-rite i1 Display LT. A few questions:

1. Is there anywhere in this thread that describes how to get to the Service Menu screens to calibrate the grey scale?

2. Aside from grey scale, are there other options in the SM that should be looked at? I.e., gamma, CMS, etc?

3. The above post mentions a fix in the service menu to correct too much red push, is this fix posted somewhere?

Sorry, tried searching this immense thread but there were pages and pages of findings!

Tx
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post #11842 of 12754
12/26/08 at 11:09pm
Hi Guys
I have recently purchased a LX-508a. (Australian Version) Does anyone know which of D-Nices break in settings I should use? I don't know the American equivalent. Cheers.
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post #11843 of 12754
12/27/08 at 10:27am
i have a pdp-6010fd and i t does not turn on the stanby light is on but i can't get the unit to power up any advice whould be helpfull thanks.
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post #11844 of 12754
12/27/08 at 12:08pm
did you try unplugging/plugging the AC cord then trying the power switch
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post #11845 of 12754
12/27/08 at 12:09pm
Hey everyone,

I have the 5010fd and have loved it for the most part, but I notice when I watch HD channels the picture "pixelates" whenever there is fast camera motion or there are any graphics (particularly full screen graphics). Is there a way to fix this? What is the source of the problem? My TV settings? My cable box? TimeWarner themselves? The HDMI cable? Something else? I notice this phenomenon doesn't happen on my sister's LCD although she has issues with motion.
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post #11846 of 12754
12/27/08 at 12:28pm
It has been my experience with my 150FD that most of the time its the source. I have a few HD Channels on Direct TV that seem to pixelate more than others. Try a DVD and see what happens
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post #11847 of 12754
12/27/08 at 12:51pm
tried it nothing
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post #11848 of 12754
12/27/08 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by Coster View Post

Hey everyone,

I have the 5010fd and have loved it for the most part, but I notice when I watch HD channels the picture "pixelates" whenever there is fast camera motion or there are any graphics (particularly full screen graphics). Is there a way to fix this? What is the source of the problem? My TV settings? My cable box? TimeWarner themselves? The HDMI cable? Something else? I notice this phenomenon doesn't happen on my sister's LCD although she has issues with motion.

It's in the source. If you have a DVR you can duplicate what you're seeing by rewinding immediately after you notice an occurance and then play it forward frame by frame.

Look how clean the scrolling ticker is at the bottom of the image while simultaneously there is blocking/tileing on the players that are in motion.
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post #11849 of 12754
12/27/08 at 1:29pm
how are you trying to get the second signal? what's happening or not happening??

if you are using a cablecard, you should be able to split your cable signal and feed one and input to ant A and the other to ant B (have tried this on 3 kuros, works fine) (you can do this even if you don't have a cablecard but you will only get the basic channels)

if you are using an STB, yo don't have much use for the ant B except to increase PIP options. in this case, i your signal is strong enough, you can split the signal 3 ways- one goes to the STB, second to ant A and the 3rd to ant B

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Originally Posted by shadestreet View Post

umm... why can't I figure out how to use the Dual Tuner on the Pio 5010FD?

Can't get a second signal...

Current inputs:
HDMI 3 - PS3
HDMI 4 - Denon DVD
Component 1 - TV
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post #11850 of 12754
12/27/08 at 1:36pm
the blue light isnt flashing ? when you plug the display back in is the red light on?
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