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post #12571 of 12754
Hellos guys,

I began the calibration of my 4280hd with HCFR and a I1 LT. I use an HTPC with a nvidia graphic card, connected with an HDMI cable, with win7 64 and XBMC.

As you know, the 4280 have a 768p native resolution and not 1080p. I would like to know what's the better resolution to watch 720/24p movies in MKV format. Is it 1080p/24P, 720P (in video mode) or 1360x768 (in pc mode)?

Thanks
post #12572 of 12754
Calling all 8G users

I just purhased a new Windows 7 Ultimate laptop and have been reading up on the neat media features Windows 7 and Media Player 12 bring to the table and ran across the "Play To" feature. This is accomplished when DLNA equipped devices reside on the network. Widows 7 can push media to these DLNA devices via the "Play To" feature. I looked at my PRO-150FD manual and it says the tv is DLNA certified so I figured I would see if I could get the "Play To" feature to work. My laptop had all ready recognized the TV on the nework so I set up the proper sharing permissions. I then went to some videos and pictures to send these to the tv but no luck. The "Play To" option does not show up. I opened Home Media Gallery on theTV to make sure the TV could also see my laptop and it can. Looking at the manual it lists the version of DLNA in the tv as v1.0. I did some Googleing and couldn't find any definitive answer as to what version of DLNA supports the "Play To" feature in Windows 7.

Has anyone tried doing this and if so were you successful? If successful how did you do it and if not do you know the reason why it can't be done? I looked at the manual for the 9G set and the version of DLNA is v1.5. Has anyone with a 9G set tried the "Play To" feature and if so what were the results?

If v1.5 is required I don't suppose there is any way to update the tv is there?

Thanks,

Rod
post #12573 of 12754
After a couple years messing around with this set, I'm still having a tough time autoscanning OTA digital channels into my Elite Pro-110. Each subsequent scan erases the previous one (won't append) and there appears no way of manually entering digital channels (only analog) -- our two OTA antennas are in different directions and not enough time provided in the autoscan to include a full directional survey or revolution.

It seems this situation is normal with this particular tv/tuner combination, and what a shame it is after spending mega $$ on the purchase.

But aha! when I go into the Service Menu I notice on page 4 there's reference to the Digital Tuner data.

It would be interesting to add some sort of command to the database that would allow successive scans without erasing the previous scans. I believe earlier firmware allowed up to 3 autoscans before resetting. But unfortunately, Pioneer would not provide me with earlier patches to try.

Are there any folks on this forum who are familiar with the ins and outs of these service menus, and perhaps help me out in correcting or modifying this situation ..without turning the set into a brick of course?


(Service Menu shots taken with tv in Video Input 4 = null)
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post #12574 of 12754
D. Nice. Out these the final setting. When using these in pure mode the picture is dull and towards warm side (brownish), I do like them using user or standard settings.
post #12575 of 12754
I have noticed that turning DRE off on my pdp5080hd softens the picture dramatically.

Why and what else does changing this setting effect?
post #12576 of 12754
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Originally Posted by woody0654 View Post

Why and what else does changing this setting effect?

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/6...igent_DRE.html
post #12577 of 12754
Now that Pioneer has stopped making the Kuro TVs, are most starting to keep an eye open for replacement flatscreens in the near future. Maybe a 3d flatscreen or a flatscreen with better quality (if there is one). If so, what are you looking at?

Myself, I am happy with my 60" as the day it arrived and I hope it lasts for many more years. Others with brand new flat screens still ask me why my picture looks so good.
post #12578 of 12754
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Originally Posted by Mamasboy View Post

Others with brand new flat screens still ask me why my picture looks so good.

I generally avoid "me too!" posts, but this one is right on. I've seen the latest LCDs, DLPs, other plasmas and, while some may come close, I have yet to see anything equal to the PQ my Pio displays at sixty inches. If it was the last big screen TV I ever bought I doubt I'd ever be disappointed. Superb.
post #12579 of 12754
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Originally Posted by Mamasboy View Post

Now that Pioneer has stopped making the Kuro TVs, are most starting to keep an eye open for replacement flatscreens in the near future. Maybe a 3d flatscreen or a flatscreen with better quality (if there is one). If so, what are you looking at?

Myself, I am happy with my 60" as the day it arrived and I hope it lasts for many more years. Others with brand new flat screens still ask me why my picture looks so good.

I have to admit the urge has hit me too and I done a little looking around. The top competitors seem to be the full array LED backlit LCDs, specifically the LG 8500 series (getting harder to find) and the Samsung 8500 (no longer made).

My main drivers in looking around has been the heat output my 110FD and it's affect on my electric bill as it competes with my AC (works great as a space heater in my smallish home during the winter though).

In the end, I still can't justify any change. There is nothing more that I need from a TV (I still believe that 3D is a gimmick). And reading reviews of these new TVS the authors/reviewers are STILL comparing the TVs to the 9G Kuros (which as I recall aren't terribly different from the 8Gs) and they are still not living up to them in more than one category, including my main concern - black level. It was black level that had me return a Mits LCD to Frys in utter disgust after trying to watch the movie "The Number 23" which was dark throughout. That experience alone drove me to buy my Kuro and I have never regretted it.

Short of my Kuro "giving up the ghost", I don't think it will be replaced anytime soon.
post #12580 of 12754
Hi,

I want to turn off the audio through HDMI but when I go to Home Menu->Option->HDMI Input Audio is grayed out and I can't select it. Is there some way to activate the option?

I want to turn it off on that input because its from my sound processor and I don't want the TV audio.

Thanks,
Ken
post #12581 of 12754
It only works with one of the HDMI I think. Check your manual which one. Mine was input 3.
post #12582 of 12754
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Originally Posted by jasonvr View Post

I have to admit the urge has hit me too and I done a little looking around. The top competitors seem to be the full array LED backlit LCDs, specifically the LG 8500 series (getting harder to find) and the Samsung 8500 (no longer made).

My main drivers in looking around has been the heat output my 110FD and it's affect on my electric bill as it competes with my AC (works great as a space heater in my smallish home during the winter though).

In the end, I still can't justify any change. There is nothing more that I need from a TV (I still believe that 3D is a gimmick). And reading reviews of these new TVS the authors/reviewers are STILL comparing the TVs to the 9G Kuros (which as I recall aren't terribly different from the 8Gs) and they are still not living up to them in more than one category, including my main concern - black level. It was black level that had me return a Mits LCD to Frys in utter disgust after trying to watch the movie "The Number 23" which was dark throughout. That experience alone drove me to buy my Kuro and I have never regretted it.

Short of my Kuro "giving up the ghost", I don't think it will be replaced anytime soon.


Yeah, I also have a 2+ year old 50" 110. The overall picture has been great. But also have to admit that some of the new stuff ..and I include Panny plasmas here .. are awfully tempting --
This hulking Pio 110 "beast" sits above our fireplace and it is really bulky compared to the current batch of fp's, especially the LED models. Many folks have commented on it and how big it looks.

Have you noticed any deterioration of brightness since owning it? I have, even with the contrast turned up further (as well as the brightness). It was originally "calibrated" using settings found on this forum ..and it was fine at the beginning of its run.

Yer right, the heat from it is rather astounding. I try to save some $$ by keeping mine at the middle power setting (or sometimes lower), especially in the evening when the room is darker. The standby for the remote control even draws a steady 20 watts!

Another complaint is it's OTA reception. The tuner in this thing is crap: it won't allow for manually adding digital channels -- once it auto-scans it won't allow re-scanning without erasing the previous one. So there's no way to add channels from a different antenna direction.

Nah, it ain't a very efficient device compared to the latest batch of tv's. But that's tech evolution for yaz ..and the price for entertainment
post #12583 of 12754
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Originally Posted by quarlo View Post

I generally avoid "me too!" posts, but this one is right on. I've seen the latest LCDs, DLPs, other plasmas and, while some may come close, I have yet to see anything equal to the PQ my Panny displays at sixty inches. If it was the last big screen TV I ever bought I doubt I'd ever be disappointed. Superb.

".....my Panny displays at sixty inches. " ????

Panasonic, AFAIK, never made a 60 inch plasma and this is the Pioneer 8G settings threads....
post #12584 of 12754
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Originally Posted by Duck05 View Post

Panasonic, AFAIK, never made a 60 inch plasma and this is the Pioneer 8G settings threads....

Yes, and a dyslexic should never post three sheets to the wind - I have a PDP-6010FD which, I believe, is a Pioneer. No, not an Elite, but a Pio nonetheless. A thousand million billion pardons for my egregious sin.
post #12585 of 12754
No disrespect intended - just clarifying..... I have two 8Gs (a 60 and 50) non Elites and contend they all (8G and 9G) remain the PQ champs.... yet to be bested...
post #12586 of 12754
Quote:
Originally Posted by jacksim View Post

Yeah, I also have a 2+ year old 50" 110. The overall picture has been great. But also have to admit that some of the new stuff ..and I include Panny plasmas here .. are awfully tempting --
This hulking Pio 110 "beast" sits above our fireplace and it is really bulky compared to the current batch of fp's, especially the LED models. Many folks have commented on it and how big it looks.

Have you noticed any deterioration of brightness since owning it? I have, even with the contrast turned up further (as well as the brightness). It was originally "calibrated" using settings found on this forum ..and it was fine at the beginning of its run.

Yer right, the heat from it is rather astounding. I try to save some $$ by keeping mine at the middle power setting (or sometimes lower), especially in the evening when the room is darker. The standby for the remote control even draws a steady 20 watts!

Another complaint is it's OTA reception. The tuner in this thing is crap: it won't allow for manually adding digital channels -- once it auto-scans it won't allow re-scanning without erasing the previous one. So there's no way to add channels from a different antenna direction.

Nah, it ain't a very efficient device compared to the latest batch of tv's. But that's tech evolution for yaz ..and the price for entertainment

Have not noticed any deterioration in brightness, but it could be that I just haven't noticed it. Panel has 6,792 hours on it (25,834 hrs plugged in!).
post #12587 of 12754
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Originally Posted by woody0654 View Post

I have noticed that turning DRE off on my pdp5080hd softens the picture dramatically.

Why and what else does changing this setting effect?

My 5010 was calibrated by D-Nice, picture is excellent. DRE "was" off. After reading your post I decided to play with it, and noticed the same thing. I was watching the Bond flick, The World is Not Enough, regular DVD on my OPPO 983, upscaled to 1080P, 5010 set on Dot by Dot. I froze the picture on a close up of Brosnon's face, switched on DRE, and was amazed at the improvement in detail........ wasn't an edge enhancement kind of detail, but things like pores in his face, razor stubble, scars, I was amazed that DRE was doing this. I generally leave all the "effects" off, but I am going to try DRE set to low for awhile and see if I continue to like it.

John
post #12588 of 12754
I've always preferred dre on with my 5080s
post #12589 of 12754
What does D-Nice say about DRE on 5080hd now,on or off?
post #12590 of 12754
Quote:
Originally Posted by woody0654 View Post

What does D-Nice say about DRE on 5080hd now,on or off?

He actually listed settings for DRE "on" for those that liked it. I went back and did a search for DRE and read pages of posts, seem quite a few people like it on, and see the same things we are seeing. Some like it off, usually those that prefer a "smoother, more film-like" image. I fall into the "I want as much detail without artificial noise as possible" camp I am leaving it set to low for awhile to see if I keep it this way longterm.
post #12591 of 12754
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Originally Posted by specuvestor View Post

It only works with one of the HDMI I think. Check your manual which one. Mine was input 3.

Thanks! It works on 4 and 5, but not 6 or 7.

Ken
post #12592 of 12754
I usually use either movie or standard picture setting with dre on but I tried using user setting and found that it did not soften picture with dre off and have absolutely no black crush.apparently there is some slight internal change for each picture mode.
post #12593 of 12754
I bought a Mac Mini and hooked it up using my 4280 as a monitor. I remember back in the early days of this thread that D-Nice posted PC settings for the 8G models.

I can't seem to find them anywhere and was wondering if anyone might have them lying around and could post them or shoot me a PM with them.

Doug
post #12594 of 12754
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Originally Posted by baumer View Post

I remember back in the early days of this thread that D-Nice posted PC settings for the 8G models.

Sure about this? I made a .doc-file back then with "all" the settings to set-up the tv properly but no mention of the PC-mode. Not very strange, as in PC-mode you can hardly adjust anything important.

In my document I only see mention of D65 HDMI, PS3 and SD-content (decoder) settings.
post #12595 of 12754
Can you share the link or content of SD setting? This is something new.
post #12596 of 12754
Quote:
Originally Posted by antennahead View Post

My 5010 was calibrated by D-Nice, picture is excellent. DRE "was" off. After reading your post I decided to play with it, and noticed the same thing. I was watching the Bond flick, The World is Not Enough, regular DVD on my OPPO 983, upscaled to 1080P, 5010 set on Dot by Dot. I froze the picture on a close up of Brosnon's face, switched on DRE, and was amazed at the improvement in detail........ wasn't an edge enhancement kind of detail, but things like pores in his face, razor stubble, scars, I was amazed that DRE was doing this. I generally leave all the "effects" off, but I am going to try DRE set to low for awhile and see if I continue to like it.

John

I noticed the same thing when comparing DRE on/off using paused frames for comparison. Ever since then I always leave DRE set on Low. (5080hd).
post #12597 of 12754
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Originally Posted by Mathesar View Post

I noticed the same thing when comparing DRE on/off using paused frames for comparison. Ever since then I always leave DRE set on Low. (5080hd).

Thanks for posting, nice to see someone else noticed the same effect. I am leaving mine on now, set to low. It has improved regular DVD viewing even more, with the OPPO 983 set to 1080P and the Pio on dot by dot mode.
post #12598 of 12754
from what i've seen on my Pro950-HD and the description you give of the DRE effect, it seems photoshop has a tool that does something similar and sometimes it can save an image.
in Ps, go to: Image/adjustments - "shadows/highlights"; then, near the bottom you will find the "Midtone contrast" control.
post #12599 of 12754
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Originally Posted by Pfeffernuss View Post

Sure about this? I made a .doc-file back then with "all" the settings to set-up the tv properly but no mention of the PC-mode. Not very strange, as in PC-mode you can hardly adjust anything important.

In my document I only see mention of D65 HDMI, PS3 and SD-content (decoder) settings.

I sure thought there was a setting for PC mode. I guess it was just hopeful wishing on my part! Thanks for setting me straight.

You're right, the PC mode settings are pathetic.
post #12600 of 12754
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Originally Posted by specuvestor View Post

Can you share the link or content of SD setting? This is something new.

Sure, here they are
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