The Official Pioneer 8G Kuro Settings/Issues Thread - Page 112

I can tell you in a home theater environment, without the glaring whites of an LCD to compare it to, the Kuros display a beautiful white...totally netural and never so dim as to elicit a thought "gee, I wish the whites were brighter".

There should only one situation where the light output of the screen is important, when you will use it in a brightly lit room. The important factors in a good picture for a home theater is dynamic range, it should be the black levels and contrast ratio. LCD panels typically have lower native contrast ratios and higher black levels than plasmas. A good TV is not the one that can give you a sunburn...... The brighter the display and the smaller it is, the more ambient light you will need to be able to watch it comfortably.

Nuance, I'm using Pure mode on both the 950 and 150. The change in brightness I see on the 950 is in virtually any of the picture modes. If there is any change in brightness on the 150, it's so subtle that I can't see it.

BTW, I just tested the 950 again, and all Picture modes will show this brightness change when the Advance mode is selected.

Video sent on an HD channel does not mean its HD video resolution. The source video on a DTV HD channel can range 480 to 1080.

The DTV box can be set to output a fixed resolution or native resolution (which is the default I think).

When the DTV box is set to native it sends the video to the display in the source video resolution. When set to a fixed resolution, say 1080i, the DTV box converts the source video resolution to 1080i and sends it to the display. Your display will report 1080i in this case and whatever the source resolution in the former case, and that can change from channel to channel and program to program.

I have a H20 model and its output resolution is set by pressing the front panel button. The indicator light indicates your setting. I have my DTV box set to 1080 and have not seen it switching resolutions on channel changes.

Using Native vs. fixed 1080 is a judgment call. Setting the resolution speeds up channel changes but you are using the DTV box to scale. When set to native, the scaling is done in the display.

I know, over simplified, but you may get the idea.

I've noticed an improvment in picture quality (especially on SD broadcasts) with my H20 set to Native.

May I know what is fL ?
Personally, I find CRT tubes are brighter than 6010FD set.

Ditto, I had a 4671 at home with a 5080 and never did I find the Pioneer dull, but I did have a very difficult time getting the 4671's light output down to a level that was comfortable to my eyes without washing out the picture.

Having had both displays in my home I would say that this is an incorrect statement in a practical sense. You cannot calibrate a 71 series LCD in a home theater environment in such a way as to make its black levels similar to a Kuro without sacrificing the PQ on the 71. You'd have the backlight dialed down so far it would look poor.

Of course "very close" is a subjective term.

I had exactly the same concern several weeks ago; and because of doing direct comparisons in a store. I know what you mean about the whites looking dirty with a Pio. I ended up buying a Pio 110, however, and I couldn't be happier. I can see *many* different "shades" of white on this display, and when there is a "true" white in the picture, it really does look pure or true to me. In short, I went from being very concerned to extremely happy. The brightness/dirtiness issue is completely a non-issue for me now.

I hope this helps a little bit.

Especially when one considers the size of a CRT vs the 60" Pioneer.

no doubt, because it's a pretty good bet that the video processing in your display is better than that of your stb...

Watching hockey may be one of the best way to judge the 'white', because the ice takes a great part of the screen and for a long period of time.
Personally I'm a huge hockey fan who have watched hockey for more than 15 years. I've watched it live, also on many CRT tubes and on some LCD TV. Honestly, although I love my 6010, I have to say that the white of the ice looks dim and bit yellowish on the 6010. For hockey, the pictures are not as good as LCD.

In the last few weeks, I've failed to improve the picture during a hockey game. Note that everything else (the player face, jersey, the commercials on the boards) looks great, only the ice looks bit off. Soon, I'll have the set calibrated professionally; and I'll let you know how the 'white' look.

If anything can't you just bump up the color temperature to compromise? I watch hockey and it looks fine.

D65 is great for like movie based material and correctly broadcasted HDTV. But for most stuff, even if your TV is reference color... it'll probably be too much variables.

I know. Working at a TV station, you can't be perfect but you can be close. It isn't like a movie where you have months months months and even years to perfect color balance based on standards.

[quote=ColdCase;11989577]Video sent on an HD channel does not mean its HD video resolution. The source video on a DTV HD channel can range 480 to 1080.

The DTV box can be set to output a fixed resolution or native resolution (which is the default I think).


coldcase...... thanks so much for the info, but let me ask you this, so if i have my DTV box set to Native and on the front it says 1080i, but the Tv reads 720p so am i watching in 1080i or 720p or the pio is transferring the signal from 1080i to 720p, i need to know more so i will understand more thanks in advance......

Ok, new 5080 owner here. So far I love it even though I have only been watching the burn in DVD. Anyways. How or where do you go in the menu to show how long the tv has been on. I am curious so i dont have to keep track of time on a piece of paper. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

for the hours you actually have to go into the service menu, it's not in the regular user menu.

someone please post how to get into the service menu or where it was posted earlier.
when you do get in just be careful not to change anything unintended.

So I should send to the 150fd in 1080p60? Not 1080p24?

Has anyone noticed this on there 5080 (or any model for that matter) that when the screen displays an all black picture , such as when first turned on , that you can see (what I'll call for a better lack of tem) a darker (blacker) cloudiness on parts of the screen? On my set it appears along the bottom edge, it's suttle , but you can still see it from 10' if you are looking for it. When you get up close it almost looks as if it's on the inside of the glass, like a sprayed coating that might not have gone on quite evenly Doesn't seem however, to effect pic quality at all when something is on the screen. Just curious if this is normal with the Pio.

the answer is "both"... it depends on the original source...

I thought he was asking what to set the 150FD to since he's running his video sources through a D2 scaler. Doesn't the scaler do inverse telecine, in which case you you wouldn't be getting 1080p24 out of it?

it can, but it doesn't have to... you can configure the scalar to do what you want it to do...

I know just enough to be dangerous. There are some quirks in the DTV box, but if you ask in the hardware section for your receiver in:
http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=82
they should be able to help.

Dovetails, here is a post that has compiled some info on the blobs/blotches problem that D-Nice mentions. The links in that post may help you decide if you have this issue.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=11718303

So I think purchasing the ability to scalar gives me a whole host of new ways to screw up my picture. Here are 3 scenarios:

1) DVD movie, unfortunately my current dvd player can only send 480p digitally to the D2

2) Sci Atlanta HDTV cable, which I guess is primarily a 1080i, less frequently a 720p source

3) Eventually, Blu-Ray movie. I guess there are players that can output either 1080p24 or 1080p60.

Suggestions?

I have another question, I am currently using the break in DVD with D-Nice's settings. Screen looks very bright to me. 'Torch' like in a dark room. Can I harm the plasma with this DVD?

mine has it too - in exactly the same place as yours. I just noticed it the other day - but it doesn't interfere with the picture so i'm not worried about it.

Ok Im sure this may have been covered somewhere in this thread but Ill ask anyway......

How do you save the settings for each input? I was using D-nice Toshiba setting for my xa2 and my new 5080 but when I went to TV the same setting for the HD-dvd were used.

Anyways D-nice Toshiba settings are awesome. Ive always been used to the very bright over saturated picture on my last plasma and all my other friends HDTV's but these were awesome. I watched the Big Lebowski (not the greatest reference HD DVD out there) but skin tones were excellent and very realistic. Now if I can just figure out how to save them.