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post #6301 of 12754
on my 5080 under "options" i see a selection for "room light sensor", should i leave this off or on when using the user settings on the front page as it makes quite a difference, thanks.
post #6302 of 12754
My new 6010 set to the updated reference settings on page 1 looks too red to me when viewing white. It's really noticeable when I view a pure white jpeg. Is this how it should be?

Also, after 211 pages, does anyone have a link to where in here I can find the original settings d-nice posted for my 6010 for cable boxes, etc? Thanks.
post #6303 of 12754
I've been looking at Parasite's/Jeff's calibration results and been very impressed about the CIE/before chart. Very impressive, colors are there, only slight adjustment needed for that chart.

Looking at my CIE/before chart makes me and LOL at the same time.

Probabily the sensor I'm using (Display LT). Probabily the inputs I'm using (Satellite and it's unproper SD test pattern, entry level SD DVD with a Euro/Scart cable).

But it looks like 508/Elites are missing some controls to acheive full CMS, at least in the user menu; it looks like there is no way to set the proper RGBYCM on the CIE chart under some conditions; of course with "Colour Management" menu you can shift colors in some directions but not all. Does this mean we have to get into the service menu to acheive full CMS?
post #6304 of 12754
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

generally speaking, the pq on cbs (1080i) is superior for sports to anything else... espn/espn2(720p) varies, but at it's best can be close to cbs... fox(720p) varies GREATLY, but again, at it's best (which is rare) can be close to cbs... nbc(1080i) is generally bad (although improved considerably towards the end of football season)... if you spend a bit of time haunting the hdtv programming threads, you'll find this to be true...

something to keep in mind... your provider plays a BIG factor in what you see on your set... again generally speaking, fios is the best, followed by cable/d* mpeg4, then d* mpeg2, then dish (leaving aside ota)... also, your local affiliate can also affect your picture quality...

there's a lot that happens inbetween the production truck and your tv set...

I agree with this. The Fox inconsistency - and poor quality at times - sometimes drives me crazy. Also, I thought the ESPN pro games this year were spectacular.
post #6305 of 12754
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Originally Posted by schwock5 View Post

I've always thought FOX had the WORST baseball and football picture on TV.

It always looks like upconverted standard def.

Their TV shows look fine to me, but for sports, i can't stand watching FOX.

I have comcast up in boston, if that matters.

(GO Pats!, oh who am i Kidding, they don't need me rootin for em, they're a LOCK!)

I'm with you on this, although sometimes Fox comes through with a pretty good picture for bb and fb. Sometimes, when they have a good picture, there is still a problem with very bad color rendition from a camera or two - that varies from the other cameras.
post #6306 of 12754
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Anyone want some Superbowl settings?


I'd like the settings that help the Patriots look good.
post #6307 of 12754
That would be great D-Nice. Assume they would be good for most sports? Will then be similar to standard settings? Always appreciate your help

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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Yes you should. I hate the Pat, but the Giants have no chance at beating them.

I'll post the settings this weekend. The object of these settings will be a great Superbowl experience. Accuracy is going to take a back seat.
post #6308 of 12754
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Originally Posted by Stangs55 View Post

My new 6010 set to the updated reference settings on page 1 looks too red to me when viewing white. It's really noticeable when I view a pure white jpeg. Is this how it should be?

Low color temp looks too warm for me as well. That's why I use Mid.
post #6309 of 12754
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post


I'll post the settings this weekend. The object of these settings will be a great Superbowl experience. Accuracy is going to take a back seat.

Something tells me that they will become MY "reference" settings. Thanks in advance D-Nice.
post #6310 of 12754
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Yes you should. I hate the Pat, but the Giants have no chance at beating them.

I'll post the settings this weekend. The object of these settings will be a great Superbowl experience. Accuracy is going to take a back seat.

Great! Now I can watch in Living Colour and curse the CRTC and CTV (the US feed is hijacked so Canadian business can piggyback their advertising on US events) as all those fun US commercials are replaced with low budget Canajan garbage.

The game may be a wash out but at least the picture won't be.
post #6311 of 12754
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Anyone want some Superbowl settings?

Keep the flesh tones "real" in case there is another wardrobe malfunction.
post #6312 of 12754
PLEASE HELP

Hello all,

I am a new and proud owner of the 4280hd. I got it and set it up around 3 hours ago and have now noticed a dead pixel on the lower left hand side of the panel. Is this normal to have a dead pixel or should I take it back and risk getting a set that has multiple dead pixels? It is not to noticeable but in white frames my eyes just focus directly in on it. The set looks incredible though I am having some overscan as well.

Is there anyway to fix the overscan?

Does anyone notice the frames size changes a little bit when you go into the menu/picture options? Is this normal? To be a little bit more descriptive, when watching a upconverted movie I put it on full screen to insure that the black bars would not burn in, I noticed that I had some black left over on the bottom and went to menu/picture and the frame adjusted automatically and filled the black in by itself. Let me know what you guys think.


Thanks for everyone's help in advanced!

Paul
post #6313 of 12754
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Originally Posted by blutarsky View Post

But it looks like 508/Elites are missing some controls to acheive full CMS, at least in the user menu; it looks like there is no way to set the proper RGBYCM on the CIE chart under some conditions; of course with "Colour Management" menu you can shift colors in some directions but not all. Does this mean we have to get into the service menu to acheive full CMS?

Did any "non professional" (that would like to share for free, it's expereince) forumer here succesfully moved RGB in the proper position on the CIE chart with 508/Elite user menus? Or? Service menu?

Thanks
post #6314 of 12754
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Originally Posted by pauls2ndblessng View Post

Brand new owner of a 4280!

Just brought it home 2 hours ago, the only problem is I have a black dead pixel. Is there anyway to cure that?

Should I worry about it? Should I return it to BB for another set?

Thanks in advance for your advice guys.

Paul

You can try playing some animated movies (The Incredibles has been highly recommended). Also, check out the JScreenFix utility (here's a thread):
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=966195

You can either play this utility from a computer, or go to their "screen fixing videos" link and download a DVD image file and burn it to a disc. Try this for a few hours with your TV set at one of the higher brightness & contrast presets (such as "dynamic"). Make sure you're "zoomed" to fill the screen! See if it helps ....

If the dead pixel stays dead and is visible from your usual seating location when viewing "normal content" (meaning "regular" video, not just a solid color frame) - then I'd vote for asking for a replacement. If you're always going to notice this defect, that sort of spoils the viewing experience .... Since you got it from BB - don't they have a return/replace policy?

Good luck!
post #6315 of 12754
I posted on the other thread as well, in case no one would answer...

THE "AUTO" MESSAGE IN GREEN, THAT APPEARS ON THE DISPLAY.

Does anyone know why the "auto" always appears when I turn my HD SAT on? I toggle the aspect ratio button on the 6010 remote control to full or dot by dot, but it seems that "auto " always appears first. Is there any way of getting the TV to display full or dot by dot when you turn it on!

(SETUP) = HD SAT box via HDMI to Integra 7.6 receiver, out from Integra to Pioneer Kuro 6010 -Input #4 (HDMI in). Integra handles both audio/video through the HDMI with no upscaling or manipulation of signal being passed through the HDMI connections..

Thanks

Paul
post #6316 of 12754
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Originally Posted by hidefpaul View Post

I posted on the other thread as well, in case no one would answer...

THE "AUTO" MESSAGE IN GREEN, THAT APPEARS ON THE DISPLAY.

Does anyone know why the "auto" always appears when I turn my HD SAT on? I toggle the aspect ratio button on the 6010 remote control to full or dot by dot, but it seems that "auto " always appears first. Is there any way of getting the TV to display full or dot by dot when you turn it on!

(SETUP) = HD SAT box via HDMI to Integra 7.6 receiver, out from Integra to Pioneer Kuro 6010 -Input #4 (HDMI in). Integra handles both audio/video through the HDMI with no upscaling or manipulation of signal being passed through the HDMI connections..

Thanks

Paul

Paul, Try turning Auto Screen Size OFF in the Kuro Menu.
post #6317 of 12754
Got my Pro 150fd ISF calibrated last night.

D-Nice, thanks again for your efforts and generosity with the work you do to provide generic settings. Your last generic reference settings of 1/13 were good enough to allow the ISF tech to set up his equipment and have the first input calibrated within 35 minutes. After all of the inputs were done two hours later he decided to give me a discount on the overall fee because he said this 150fd was a piece of cake to calibrate. He felt that the settings I was using were so good already that the minor tweaking he had to do to get my specific set just right was too easy to justify his normal full price. Thank you.

HTWaits, the ISF certified tech I hired was listed on the ISF WEB site of certified technicians for Maryland, named Jeff Dorsch. He is part owner of a HT installation company, which I won't advertise in this note but could tell you the name if you want it. Jeff Dorsch is also an authorized Pioneer sales rep and authorized Pioneer Service technician. He was already very knowledgeable about the Pioneer plasmas, of course, and of the Kuros in particular. He used a Sencore VP403 signal generator with a CP5000/Color Pro III color analyzer setup to do the calibration. Jeff Dorsch was very professional, friendly, informative and accommodating of specific requirements I made for his services. For example, since most of my viewing is at night and in a darkened room, I wanted a nighttime appointment in order to eliminate impact from the ambient light the viewing room gets from windows during daytime. Another example is when he arrived he presumed I would want the calibration done with the new Pioneer supplied software for ISF 3c calibration. But I quickly told him what I instead wanted was each of the HDMI input sources to be calibrated with presets for both D65 and D55 settings since I watch a lot of B&W movies and Criterion DVDs. He was perfectly fine with that requirement as well. He was able to get each setting w/in error margin of 2.5 to 4 % and he credited the plasma's incredible performance that allowed the ease of achieving those results. The flesh tones on my set for both Verizon FIOS HD and my Blu-ray player are just incredibly realistic moreso than ever before, the amount of detail I can now see is improved and the overall crispness of the images is more defined. Colors are simply put, spot on, especially reds and blues. And Ken Ross, although it was not a bugaboo of mine, I could see what you would remark about CS1 vs CS2, but I no longer see magenta in the blue sky, unless it clearly is meant to be there in a sunset, with CS2 after calibration. The PQ was nice before with D-Nice's generic settings but the ISF calibration is a noticeable improvement well worth the cost to bring out as much of what my specific set is capable of performing.

I would have preferred to hire Umr (Jeff Meirer) to do the calibration on my set because of his use of better precision calibration equipment and his reknowned expertise. However, Umr has told me he is currently unavailable in my area. I also do not meet his requirement of needing an audio as well as video calibration. Perhaps if I do upgrade my audio system in the Spring like I plan then I may hire Umr's services for another calibration then.

Meanwhile, anyone here who has an uncalibrated Pio plasma would be well served using D-Nice's reference settings. When you are ready for a professional calibration specific to your set and for whatever reason cannot get Umr's services, and if you are in the Washington DC / Baltimore area, Jeff Dorsch of Jessup MD is well worth considering for calibration services.
post #6318 of 12754
Has anyone successfully run a slideshow in the Home Media Gallery using a USB device?
post #6319 of 12754
Would LOVE to see some Superbowl settings for my 6010 from d-nice!
post #6320 of 12754
RBO...even more reason why some who think D-Nice's settings are too bland should not pay for a calibration as they just do not like accurate as much as saturated.

I can't wait to hear back from Avical to get on their schedule. For us 5080 owners, a number that seems to have grown quite substantially in the past month or so, the red push of the "Low" temp. mode and the huge blue push of the "Med" temp. mode just don't do this set justice to my eyes.
I had a feeling D-Nice's settings were pretty close to real reference and I also had the feeling that those who did not like these settings are not the people who want a calibration.

-jmo
post #6321 of 12754
can someone provide a link to dnice's original settings that included those for cable boxes?

Thanks
post #6322 of 12754
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Originally Posted by leegeousa View Post

Has anyone successfully run a slideshow in the Home Media Gallery using a USB device?

Yes...just navigate to the USB device, then open the folder containing your photos and push "Play" on the remote. You can also go into the settings to adjust the transitions and the time for each pic to display.
post #6323 of 12754
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Originally Posted by leegeousa View Post

Has anyone successfully run a slideshow in the Home Media Gallery using a USB device?

Yes. On 5010. No problems.
post #6324 of 12754
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Originally Posted by gbr1ryder View Post

I get black bars except for ESPN where they have a pattern in the bars.

I checked Fox, CBS, and ESPN tonight. They all transition back to HD without a problem.

Htwaits,

Thanks for the response. That's what I was afraid of. I checked it out again last night and noticed the gray bars during commericals and non-HD programs. I do get the black bars with the logos when watching ESPN, but the other channels have the gray bars.

Is there a setting on the TV that I can adjust? Hmmm maybe the connection via HDMI (using a Monster 600 cable for the comcast dvr box).

Honestly, it makes a big difference with regards to viewing when you see gray bars as opposed to black bars. It's very distracting. AND why is there a delay when the gray vertical bars disappear? You're not experiencing anything like that? Hmmmmm I'm perplexed...

I used D-Nice's settings for the 5010/6010 but tweaked them to my liking, but I don't think I changed anything else. I don't get it...
post #6325 of 12754
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Originally Posted by Andrzej View Post

Yes. On 5010. No problems.


Andrzej,

If you take a look at my posting directly below your quote about the home gallery viewing on your 5010 I talk about gray vertical bars SD channels and commercials; are you experiencing this at all? And the delay of the gray bars disappearing once the HD program has resumed? I"m just curious...trying to get to the bottom of this...thanks!
post #6326 of 12754
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Originally Posted by RBO View Post

Got my Pro 150fd ISF calibrated last night.

Thanks for the detailed review of your calibration. I've included it in the owner's list that is linked at the bottom of my posts.

UMR recommended improvements to our modest audio system that were not expensive in relation to the cost of our plasma. I'm looking forward to having both audio and video calibrated in March.

Enjoy.
post #6327 of 12754
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Originally Posted by gbr1ryder View Post

Is there a setting on the TV that I can adjust? Hmmm maybe the connection via HDMI (using a Monster 600 cable for the comcast dvr box).

There may be something in the service menu, but I wouldn't go there. Start by checking out the forum for your model Motorola set top box. That may be where your setup differs from ours.

Or, just ask how you can get black bars in the Kuro owner's thread. The delay you see is something I've never run into.
post #6328 of 12754
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

There may be something in the service menu, but I wouldn't go there. Start by checking out the forum for your model Motorola set top box. That may be where your setup differs from ours.

Or, just ask how you can get black bars in the Kuro owner's thread. The delay you see is something I've never run into.

Ok great thanks. I take it you don't have Comcast then, probably DirectTv of Dish. Thanks for your help I'll post in the owner's thread. Have a good one.
post #6329 of 12754
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Originally Posted by gbr1ryder View Post

Andrzej,

If you take a look at my posting directly below your quote about the home gallery viewing on your 5010 I talk about gray vertical bars SD channels and commercials; are you experiencing this at all? And the delay of the gray bars disappearing once the HD program has resumed? I"m just curious...trying to get to the bottom of this...thanks!

I have the same effects (i.e., gray bars and short delay). I am using HDMI and Comcast-Tivo box. It doesn't bother me so I haven't tried to do anything about it. I believe the delay is caused by HDMI sync and should not be present with component connection.
post #6330 of 12754
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Yes you should. I hate the Pat, but the Giants have no chance at beating them.

Hold on a minute there D-Nice! We may have disagreed a bit on 'blue' but this is an entirely different story!!! The Giants not only stand a very good chance of beating the Pats, but that 12 point spread is nuts.
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