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post #7621 of 12870
is hearing the buzzing noise from the plasma at 8ft away (my viewing distance) normal?
post #7622 of 12870
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Originally Posted by acevesf View Post

hey guys noob here, need all the help i can get!

i purchased the 5080 this afternoon and all i can say is wow!!!

however, i saw the break in settings on the first post but that says for use only with the break in dvd, are there any settings for use with a comcast motorola hd dvr box? also is anybody using a comcast dvr box with the 5080 and is there anything i should be aware of?

i will slowly but surely read through alll 500 pages on the kuros. but i'd really like to get some initial settings for the break in period of the new tv!

If you plan to break in with regular 16:9 programming (minimize black bars and logos) then use the reference settings. They're post #2 of this thread. Guess you didn't get that far.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post10743807
post #7623 of 12870
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Hey guy. Funny you bring this up as I too was watching SNL and experiencing the exact same thing on my 4280 - audio crackling when switching between program and commercial and some random breakup and artifacting within the image. Don't worry though. This is simply a source issue - a problem in the signal of the broadcast itself - your tv is fine.

Thanks. For a minute there I thought that I was experiencing total audio blowout. It's something I'll keep an ear open for in the future though.
post #7624 of 12870
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Originally Posted by cpcat View Post

If you plan to break in with regular 16:9 programming (minimize black bars and logos) then use the reference settings. They're post #2 of this thread. Guess you didn't get that far.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post10743807

thanks! i just didnt know what the heck reference settings meant!
post #7625 of 12870
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I think dead is always black. A pixel that is stuck full on for any or all three colors seems worse to me.

Well at least you try to be optimistic about the problem. I am finding it rather disturbing that a company such as Pioneer finds it acceptable to have dead pixels, but companies like Samsung and ViewSonic have a zero dead pixel guarantee. Pioneer may think dead pixels are not a big issue, but resale for my tv will be hampered by a dead pixel, who would buy a used plasma with a dead pixel?
post #7626 of 12870
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Originally Posted by robertw11 View Post

Well at least you try to be optimistic about the problem. I am finding it rather disturbing that a company such as Pioneer finds it acceptable to have dead pixels, but companies like Samsung and ViewSonic have a zero dead pixel guarantee. Pioneer may think dead pixels are not a big issue, but resale for my tv will be hampered by a dead pixel, who would buy a used plasma with a dead pixel?

I understand your frustration. I still think the issue is rare but it can happen. Any chance you can exchange the TV for another one?
post #7627 of 12870
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by robertw11 View Post

but companies like Samsung and ViewSonic have a zero dead pixel guarantee.

Please provide official documents from those companies regarding zero dead pixels on flat panel TVs.
post #7628 of 12870
Some help please. Is brightness flicker while playing dark SD content over component on the 5010 a known problem? I have heard of this on some of the Sammy plasmas but not the Pios.
post #7629 of 12870
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Originally Posted by acevesf View Post

is hearing the buzzing noise from the plasma at 8ft away (my viewing distance) normal?

Well, do you hear it easily or do you really have try and pick the sound out of other ambient noises? Just asking.... if it bothers you then its NOT normal. Some people are more sensitive to it than others. My 5080 is pretty much dead quiet unless my head is behind the panel in which case I can hear a slight buzz. To me, thats normal.

My 2 cents.
post #7630 of 12870
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Originally Posted by acevesf View Post

hey guys noob here, need all the help i can get!

i purchased the 5080 this afternoon and all i can say is wow!!!

however, i saw the break in settings on the first post but that says for use only with the break in dvd, are there any settings for use with a comcast motorola hd dvr box? also is anybody using a comcast dvr box with the 5080 and is there anything i should be aware of?

i will slowly but surely read through alll 500 pages on the kuros. but i'd really like to get some initial settings for the break in period of the new tv!

Scroll down below the first post that describes the breakin DVD settings and look for your pio 5080 model. You will find a set of settings for your model. D-Nice has explained that they can be used for all source devices. You can tweak them from there to your liking.
post #7631 of 12870
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rortiz View Post

Some help please. Is brightness flicker while playing dark SD content over component on the 5010 a known problem? I have heard of this on some of the Sammy plasmas but not the Pios.

No it isn't unless you are using Pure Cinema ADV and your SD DVD you are playing was poorly flagged for progressive playback.
post #7632 of 12870
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Originally Posted by cpcat View Post

Movie mode is so dim you don't notice the oversaturation. YMMV of course.

I guess my mileage must vary then, cpcat! MOVIE mode with the proper settings of course yields a very nice image from blu-ray and HD DVD sources. Many others here think so too!

Contrast needs to be kicked up to about +38 and Brightness to about +3 but otherwise.... VERY nice image from MOVIE mode & the proper settings. MOVIE will not work using settings for User mode or Standard mode though, defintely looks dim.

post #7633 of 12870
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Originally Posted by s2mikey View Post

Well, do you hear it easily or do you really have try and pick the sound out of other ambient noises? Just asking.... if it bothers you then its NOT normal. Some people are more sensitive to it than others. My 5080 is pretty much dead quiet unless my head is behind the panel in which case I can hear a slight buzz. To me, thats normal.

My 2 cents.

yea i can hear it easily. should i wait and see if it improves after the break in period?
post #7634 of 12870
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Please provide official documents from those companies regarding zero dead pixels on flat panel TVs.

http://displays.engadget.com/2005/01...-pixel-policy/

http://www.forbes.com/infoimaging/fe...333-0197-.html

I believe it was in my 4061F's owners manual as well.

This could explain why Samsung has been leading in flat panel sales lately.
post #7635 of 12870
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by robertw11 View Post

http://displays.engadget.com/2005/01...-pixel-policy/

http://www.forbes.com/infoimaging/fe...333-0197-.html

I believe it was in my 4061F's owners manual as well.

This could explain why Samsung has been leading in flat panel sales lately.

I think you need to re-read my post. An LCD computer monitor is NOT a LCD flat panel TV.

You also need to re-read your 4061 manual as you will not find that policy in there.
post #7636 of 12870
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by s2mikey View Post

I guess my mileage must vary then, cpcat! MOVIE mode with the proper settings of course yields a very nice image from blu-ray and HD DVD sources. Many others here think so too!

Contrast needs to be kicked up to about +38 and Brightness to about +3 but otherwise.... VERY nice image from MOVIE mode & the proper settings. MOVIE will not work using settings for User mode or Standard mode though, defintely looks dim.


I can confirm that the saturation levels of Movie mode are not the same as User or Standard mode.
post #7637 of 12870
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

I think you need to re-read my post. An LCD computer monitor is NOT a LCD flat panel TV.

You also need to re-read your 4061 manual as you will not find that policy in there.

The manual states lcd monitors, my mistake.

Now if I call Pioneer and tell them I can notice the dead pixel from where I am sitting will they be able to do something about my problem?, since that is the way they word their dead pixel policy. If the pixel had been not in the middle of the screen it would not pose as a distraction, given it is towards the center it is bothersome.
post #7638 of 12870
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Originally Posted by s2mikey View Post

Ok then.... I did enter the SM and lowered the R-HIGH to 230 as per some posts from Nuance. However, even with this reduction and changing NO other settings I still feel that LOW color temp casts a reddish-brown tint to the whole image. MID certainly leans towards "blue" but its much more pleasing, even with fleshtones.

So, using MOVIE and the rest of Nuances settings I still run it at color temp MID. I did change the -2 Tint setting to -5(RED) to balance things out. Man, Im done screwing around.... you can drive yourself nuts with this stuff trying to get it just right only to edit again kater that night.

I must be missing something though or my set really is different enough to look good with color temp MID instead of LOW.

Use whichever settings you want to; only our opinion matters. However, I suggest trying User mode with a Contrast of 29, a Brightness of +2, a Tint of 0, a Color Temp of Low and a Gamma of 3. It looks amazing on my TV, but your mileage may vary.

D-Nice also has reference settings that he uses; many people like them. And lets not forget about the truly talented calibrators on this forum, such as umr (Jeff). If the colors still don't look right to your eyes after you try all of our settings, pay to have it ISF calibrated. I doubt you'll regret it.

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Originally Posted by rortiz View Post

Some help please. Is brightness flicker while playing dark SD content over component on the 5010 a known problem? I have heard of this on some of the Sammy plasmas but not the Pios.

Try turning Pure Cinema Mode to Advance with blue-ray and standard with cable/dish. Else try turning it off. Also, turn power save mode off.
post #7639 of 12870
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

I think you need to re-read my post. An LCD computer monitor is NOT a LCD flat panel TV.

You also need to re-read your 4061 manual as you will not find that policy in there.

And we aren't in South Korea either...so I don't see how those links are relevant to our discussion of plasma TVs in the US.
post #7640 of 12870
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Originally Posted by robertw11 View Post

The manual states lcd monitors, my mistake.

Now if I call Pioneer and tell them I can notice the dead pixel from where I am sitting will they be able to do something about my problem?, since that is the way they word their dead pixel policy. If the pixel had been not in the middle of the screen it would not pose as a distraction, given it is towards the center it is bothersome.

I also have a bad pixel just to the right of center which can be seen under certain on screen colors from my seating position of about 10 feet. Even if I am directly in front of the tv there are certain colors that the problem pixel can not be seen. I called Pioneer and explained the situation and their stance is that it is completely within spec even if it can be seen from a seating distance as far as mine. They also referenced their policy in the manual. It was the wording I believe you are pointing out in the manual that lead me to call them and inquire in the first place. I thought due to the position of the pixel and it could be seen from my seating position I would have a shot at replacement. That didn't happen. They said if the tv were to develop a cluster of bad pixels that would clearly be considered a manufacturing defect and the tv would be replaced.

Thanks,

Rod
post #7641 of 12870
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

I also have a bad pixel just to the right of center which can be seen under certain on screen colors from my seating position of about 10 feet. Even if I am directly in front of the tv there are certain colors that the problem pixel can not be seen. I called Pioneer and explained the situation and their stance is that it is completely within spec even if it can be seen from a seating distance as far as mine. They also referenced their policy in the manual. It was the wording I believe you are pointing out in the manual that lead me to call them and inquire in the first place. I thought due to the position of the pixel and it could be seen from my seating position I would have a shot at replacement. That didn't happen. They said if the tv were to develop a cluster of bad pixels that would clearly be considered a manufacturing defect and the tv would be replaced.

Thanks,

Rod

Well I guess that saves me time to not even try to call them. My problem is that I can't even exchange the tv, since they are all sold out and are listed as closeout so they can no longer be ordered. I don't know if I can live with the dead pixel or just go and return the tv. Pioneers cost a good chump of change, and if it were an Olevia I wouldn't be as bothered by it since you get what you pay for. But in this case I guess not.
post #7642 of 12870
At extremely low volumes, I too hear the slight buzz. Even with the issue raised on this forum, it is manageable. I suspect over time I won't even be conscious of it. When playing a BR disc, the player's inherent whirl is more noticeable. Don't go OCD on us!
Saldisk
post #7643 of 12870
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Originally Posted by robertw11 View Post

http://displays.engadget.com/2005/01...-pixel-policy/

http://www.forbes.com/infoimaging/fe...333-0197-.html

I believe it was in my 4061F's owners manual as well.

This could explain why Samsung has been leading in flat panel sales lately.

You're wrong:

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/fa...p_nm=LN-T4065F

Click on #4 on their pixel defect policy. One or two dead pixels is considered normal.
post #7644 of 12870
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Originally Posted by robertw11 View Post

The manual states lcd monitors, my mistake.

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Originally Posted by clau View Post

You're wrong:

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/fa...p_nm=LN-T4065F

Click on #4 on their pixel defect policy. One or two dead pixels is considered normal.

Thanks.
post #7645 of 12870
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Originally Posted by robertw11 View Post

I can tell you right now, the pixel will not be operating normally ever since I ran a program off of jscreenfix.com that normally get stuck pixels to fire in 20mins and have been running D-nice settings with the break in dvd for over 2 hours now and it is still stuck.
I really doubt this thing will begin working correctly.

Try running the jscreenfix tool for a few hours instead of just 20 minutes. Also, get a copy of The Incredibles DVD, and play it through a few times (zoom to make it full-screen). I had a cluster of stuck pixels on my 6010, and both of these helped. Of course, "stuck on" is different than "dead", but it's worth a try ....

If none of this works, and it's still an option - I'd say try to return the TV and either look elsewhere (if another vendor has that model), or look at another model. If it's readily visible from your seating location, I'm not sure the aggravation is worth it ...
post #7646 of 12870
guys I'm having an issue with Xbox 360 in Input 2 (component). It seems that sometimes, I will start my console and switch to input 2 and I am faced with just a black screen. I can see the audio, and after 20 minutes of unplugging things and plugging them back in, switching inputs it finally shows up.

I think this started happening when I had something plugged into input 2 and something also in input 3 (component).

What the hell is going on?

I have a 5080
post #7647 of 12870
Has anyone used the video set-up found in the Ratatouille movie? I went through the process and found it helpful, but it comes nowhere near D-Nice's reference settings.

Has anyone gone through video set-up found on dvd's before? How did you like them? Thanks.
post #7648 of 12870
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Originally Posted by s2mikey View Post

I guess my mileage must vary then, cpcat! MOVIE mode with the proper settings of course yields a very nice image from blu-ray and HD DVD sources. Many others here think so too!

Contrast needs to be kicked up to about +38 and Brightness to about +3 but otherwise.... VERY nice image from MOVIE mode & the proper settings. MOVIE will not work using settings for User mode or Standard mode though, defintely looks dim.


All joking aside, I suspect there's a correlation between screen size/viewing distance and preference for screen brightness with those watching smaller screens from further away tending to prefer overall higher light output.
post #7649 of 12870
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Originally Posted by chadmak09 View Post

Wish me luck with my 6010. I am fairly new to plasma being an extremly big LCD fan. I am gonna try my best to avoid IR/burn-in and do a good break-in. But I am still a little hazy how I m going to get a break in dvd because I have no dvd burner.

Look on this site - you can buy a copy of the break-in DVD for $6.50:
http://www.eaprogramming.com/
post #7650 of 12870
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Originally Posted by acevesf View Post

is hearing the buzzing noise from the plasma at 8ft away (my viewing distance) normal?

is this gonna be something im just gonna have to get used to? will it get better after the break in?

what are the recommended screen sizes to use for HD content and SD content?
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