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post #8761 of 12870
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Originally Posted by speed_of_sound View Post

I second everything above, Jeff (UMR) calibrated my 150FD Monday evening.

Thanks for your calibration report. I've included in the list of other owner's reports that is linked at the bottom of my post
post #8762 of 12870
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Originally Posted by Starbuckdell View Post

Thanks for the recommendation. I think I am going to order a couple this evening.

Well I normally use the 360 to play movies, but for the break in I just hooked up the other one I had. Yeah I need a new on that's for sure. Actually looking to get a Blu-Ray player.

While talking about Blu-Ray I have been trying to decide what to do. I play games here and there when I can, nothing major, so I have been thinking about the Playstation 3. If I go that route, is there, or will I see any picture quality difference from a stand along Blu-Ray player like a Sony or Samsung? I thinking I can kill two birds with one stone by getting the PS3. Or should I go with the stand alone? Thanks guys. That's the great thing about this place. Everyone is so willing to help.

I just ordered one of the 28 AWG 10ft he mentioned. It is great and works just as good as the 6ft monster HDMI cable I was dooped into buying at Circuit city about 2 years ago.

I would try to stay away from the 24 AWG. I bought one from monoprice and although it works great, it is very stiff and if you need to plug in at an angle you will have issues. The 28 AWG will bend in tight spots great and works just as good.
I currently have three HDMI cables. a monster expensive one, A monoprice 28AWG and a monoprice 24 AWG. And I cannot tell the difference between any of them as far as PQ goes. But as most here know, HDMI is digital, so it really doesn't matter what cable you use. But best buy willl try to tell you different and that you NEED a monster for a good picture. I think that the markup on cables is crazy.
post #8763 of 12870
Does anyone know of a way to skip inputs on the 5080?
What about labeling inputs?
With my XBR4 I could name each input whatever I wanted (BD-ROM,cable,DVD,etc.) and I could set the inputs i wasn't using to "skip", that way when you press input it will only toggle thru active inputs and not thru a bunch of empty inputs.
Anything like this on the Kuro's???
post #8764 of 12870
As D-Nice has mentioned, the glass (plastic in this case) isn't optically perfectly clear. The reflected light is what you see when you see the grey'ish blacks during the day due to ambient light reflecting off the screen.

My recommendation is to work on ambient light within the room. I've got full length curtains I'll pull closed and see no ill effects from ambient light. Panel looks every bit as good during the day and I don't have to mess with daytime/nightime settings.
post #8765 of 12870
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Did you try using the Day settings I posted? Try those and then try these.....

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Standard
Contrast: 30
Brightness: +1
Color: -10
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15


Pro Adjust

Pure Cinema

Film Mode: Standard
Text Optimization: Off

Intelligence: Off


Picture Detail:

DRE Picture: Off
Black Level: Off
ACL: Off
Enhancer Mode: 2
Gamma: 2


Color Detail:

Color Temp: Mid-Low

CTI: Off

Color Management
R 0
Y 0
G 0
C 0
B 0
M 0

Color Space: 1


Noise Reduction:

3DNR: Off
Field NR: Off
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off

Power Save Mode: Off

Orbiter: On

Well I tried these settings this morning, first with my blinds closed, and I did favor these settings over your original daytime settings. My blacks did seem darker, not as black as they do at night but at least darker than they did yesterday. Of course once I opened my blinds and the sunlight hit the screen the side bars on ESPN whent from fairly black to pretty gray and thus somewhat dulling out the picture, no glare though which im amazed buy just dulling of the picture once the sun hit it.

I think all this being said it goes back to your logic on how plasma screens unlike LCD's as in the case of my xbr4, are not dark/black, which you notice in a well lit room when they are off. Just as in the case of these Kuro's, there like a grey plastic like screen thus giving me greyer blacks during the day when there is a lot of sun hitting it.

One thing I will add though is, I can definetly conclude after going from a 1080p set to a 720 Elite is that there is a big diference, at least to me, in picture detail. Which I dont think I can live without. Which means a pro-110 along with its I believe better video proccesser would make me happier but not my bank account.

I will continue to let this set break in and see what it can finally do but I dont see the graying of the blacks during the day get any better due to the nature of the plasma screens, which just SUCKS for me!! Damn windows! Plasmas are just for the most part better for the right enviorment meaning darker rooms. I not calling it quits yet for palsmas, especially these amazing Kuros, but i for see my love/hate relationship with my old Sony always being there and possibly leading me back t her again. Somebody convince me otherwise PLEASE
post #8766 of 12870
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Originally Posted by speed_of_sound View Post

I second everything above, Jeff calibrated my 150FD Monday evening. Jeff did an amazing job with the display and the sound. It is incredible how much the system was improved.

We also played House of the Flying Daggers. Very Spectacular. Amazon.com is selling the blu ray disc for $14.95 currently. I had to get my own copy.

Jeff, Thanks again for your work.

Thank you. It was my pleasure.
post #8767 of 12870
I am the owner of a Pro150 that has reached the desired amount of hours and is ready for a professional calibration.
I am in the middle of nowhere and the nearest calibrator is 200 miles away. I will have to pay $1.00 per mile each way plus the cost of the calibration so I want to make sure that it is done correctly and with the correct equipment.
Can any of the calibrators here (or anyone else for that matter) provide me with a list of questions that I should ask before I choose which calibrator to go with? What equipment should they be using etc?
There was some discussion that the ISF day/night calibration was not completely ready yet for the Pioneers. Is this the case? Would you recommend waiting until it is?
post #8768 of 12870
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Originally Posted by luvnhateSony View Post

Damn windows!

Not to point out the obvious, but perhaps you could get some blinds/shades/curtains for the windows to darken the room when watching the TV? Depending on what you choose, they can be almost hidden when not in use. Think of it like hotel rooms. They usually have 2 sets of curtains on the windows, one light and completely non-transparent. When you close the "dark" curtains the room becomes dark as night in the midday sun. This may actually be the more cost effective solution as well. JMO...
post #8769 of 12870
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Originally Posted by chadmak09 View Post

Does anyone know of a way to skip inputs on the 5080?
What about labeling inputs?
With my XBR4 I could name each input whatever I wanted (BD-ROM,cable,DVD,etc.) and I could set the inputs i wasn't using to "skip", that way when you press input it will only toggle thru active inputs and not thru a bunch of empty inputs.
Anything like this on the Kuro's???

Why would you need something like that when each input has direct access on the remote? There is no need to toggle thru imputs in this manner. I guess I am not understanding your need. Please explain further.
post #8770 of 12870
Using the reference settings from D-Nice on my 1150HD seems to have my red out of wack. I watched Richard Pryor's Live on the Sunset Strip and his 'red' suit was as 'orange' as can be?
post #8771 of 12870
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

Using the reference settings from D-Nice on my 1150HD seems to have my red out of wack. I watched Richard Pryor's Live on the Sunset Strip and his 'red' suit was as 'orange' as can be?

What is your reference point as to what the color of his jacket "should" be? If you are basing it on your previous non-Elite panel, you have to remember that it was hard coded with colorspace 1.......oversaturated reds.
post #8772 of 12870
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Originally Posted by Cronin View Post

Not to point out the obvious, but perhaps you could get some blinds/shades/curtains for the windows to darken the room when watching the TV? Depending on what you choose, they can be almost hidden when not in use. Think of it like hotel rooms. They usually have 2 sets of curtains on the windows, one light and completely non-transparent. When you close the "dark" curtains the room becomes dark as night in the midday sun. This may actually be the more cost effective solution as well. JMO...

I do have blinds I just dont like to keep them closed during the day since I enjoy the natural light coming into my living room as well as the view of the lake outside my backyard. Its actually one the biggest reasons I bought the house the big windows and beautiful view outside of them.

All I was worried about was glare going into a plasma not a gray screen hazy screen. Unfortunately it was the latter and not the former that was the real problem and possible deal breaker.

I just wanted the best possible which I think the
kuro's are especially the Elites but I think for my situation as much as it pains me to say it an LCD might be more suitable.
THANKS FOR YOUR HELP THOUGH CRONIN!
post #8773 of 12870
i was checking the d65 settings on my 5080 and found that at d65 in the sm - user is d65 but movie is d62 - anyone else notice that?
post #8774 of 12870
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

What is your reference point as to what the color of his jacket "should" be? If you are basing it on your previous non-Elite panel, you have to remember that it was hard coded with colorspace 1.......oversaturated reds.

To add to that, what was the source? If it was broadcast TV it could have been way off. Read my recent post on last night's Celtics-Suns game on 2 different channels to see how "off" broadcasts can be.
post #8775 of 12870
this is the most annoying thing about TV - each channel has its own colors and sharpness - i thought hdtv would fix this - but it didn't.

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Originally Posted by Cronin View Post

To add to that, what was the source? If it was broadcast TV it could have been way off. Read my recent post on last night's Celtics-Suns game on 2 different channels to see how "off" broadcasts can be.
post #8776 of 12870
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

What is your reference point as to what the color of his jacket "should" be? If you are basing it on your previous non-Elite panel, you have to remember that it was hard coded with colorspace 1.......oversaturated reds.

That is true, but I do believe that was a red suit, as it and the leather one Eddie Murphy wore for one of his taped stand-ups are pretty famous suits in the comedy world.
I wonder where I could find out for sure if it was red or ornage?
post #8777 of 12870
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Originally Posted by luvnhateSony View Post

Why is it during the day the blacks and overall picure look hazy, dirty, and duller than they do when im whatching at night.

I know this plasma is the BEST FLAT PANEL PERIOD and i want to finally see it.

Have 3 big windows to the left of it where the sun directly hits it during the day and it barley phases it. Incredible for a plasma!

I don't think anyone would say a plasma is the BEST FLAT PANEL PERIOD for a room where the direct sunlight of 3 windows falls on the set.

In one breath you say the sunlight barely phases it, but complain about a washed out picture. If a bright picture, in a room full of sunlight, is most important to you stick with your LCD. That viewing condition would be unacceptable to myself. I do occasionally bump up the contrast for daytime viewing. A reticulating wall mount that would allow the front of the screen to be angled might help.
post #8778 of 12870
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

That is true, but I do believe that was a red suit, as it and the leather one Eddie Murphy wore for one of his taped stand-ups are pretty famous suits in the comedy world.
I wonder where I could find out for sure if it was red or ornage?

Well, I'm pretty sure that "live" it is read. However, that show was recorded per the Rec601 standard. Red doesn't look like it would as if you were actually there.
post #8779 of 12870
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Originally Posted by ikeb View Post

this is the most annoying thing about TV - each channel has its own colors and sharpness - i thought hdtv would fix this - but it didn't.

IMO, HD made it worse. Now you have lime green goal posts in football which you never had before. Broadcast HD is a nightmare to deal with. Though it looks spectacular when done right, it requires constant minor tweaking on a program-by-program basis to enjoy all it's glory. I guess HD is like a hot girlfriend - both are high maintenance.
post #8780 of 12870
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Well, I'm pretty sure that "live" it is read. However, that show was recorded per the Rec601 standard. Red doesn't look like it would as if you were actually there.


Holy crap. Just when I think I'm getting a handle on things something like this comes along and puts me in place, lol.
So it was probably red, but because of how they taped it it looks orange on a properly calibrated display....that kind of stinks. I couldn't even make it red last night no matter what I did either.
Thanks D-Nice once again.
post #8781 of 12870
now that you mention it - i don't remember lime green goal posts at the stadium either - but broadcast hd football games do have lime green goal posts. Very annoying!!


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Originally Posted by Cronin View Post

IMO, HD made it worse. Now you have lime green goal posts in football which you never had before. Broadcast HD is a nightmare to deal with. Though it looks spectacular when done right, it requires constant minor tweaking on a program-by-program basis to enjoy all it's glory. I guess HD is like a hot girlfriend - both are high maintenance.
post #8782 of 12870
Luvnhatesony....could you change the location of the display to another area of the room? If it were me I would exhaust all options before leaving myself with an inferior PQ.
post #8783 of 12870
luvnhateSony:

just buy some blinds or drapes and/or get the windows tinted

i had to put in blinds, get the windows tinted and put up awnings over the windows to keep the sun out - works perfectly and looks good.
post #8784 of 12870
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Originally Posted by RShannonCA View Post

Can anyone please repost the SM offsets for the low color temp for the 5010? I could only find (through the hundreds of pages... believe me, I've read about half of them) the offsets recommended for the mid temp, which I've been using, and I'd really like to compare how the low offsets appear.

Sorry to be a pain, but I posted this request a couple days back, and it's gotten buried. I would really appreciate this info.
post #8785 of 12870
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Originally Posted by RShannonCA View Post

Sorry to be a pain, but I posted this request a couple days back, and it's gotten buried. I would really appreciate this info.

i don't know if there are "official" offests for the LOW color temp, but here's what i did using more or less D-nice's reference settings, and it looks great to me...seems to have gotten rid of the red push to the point where the picture still looks warm, but not too reddish (noticeable most with skin tones).

R High: -12
B High: +4
G High: 0 (no change)

i did not mess with the RGB Low settings in the SM.
post #8786 of 12870
Thanks for sharing your settings. I'm guessing you dialed those settings in by eye, or did you use a colorimeter?

Also, I just wanted to say that I was brave enough to follow all of D-Nice's SM offsets for the Mid temp, meaning I have also changed the RGB Lows too, and it had no adverse effects on my unit... well, actually, I did have my TV go a little nuts on me the night before last (I commented on this a couple pages back)... but that may or may not have had anything to do with changing the low offsets, and it's fine now. Anyways, just wanted to say this in hopes of dispelling the fear of touching the low offsets.
post #8787 of 12870
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

Luvnhatesony....could you change the location of the display to another area of the room? If it were me I would exhaust all options before leaving myself with an inferior PQ.

Unfortunatley the living room is my only option and the one room that would ever be a possibility is to small to turn into a media room, meaning i'd be sitting 6ft away from the tv which is to close for my taste and eyes and to close to forget its 720p... which still messes with my head since I had a 1080p xbr4 and the difference is all to clear and Im currently sitting 10ft away from the Elite.
post #8788 of 12870
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Originally Posted by ikeb View Post

luvnhateSony:

just buy some blinds or drapes and/or get the windows tinted

i had to put in blinds, get the windows tinted and put up awnings over the windows to keep the sun out - works perfectly and looks good.

I do have blinds and I dont (especially my wife) want the windows tinted. We love the view of the lake to much durring the day as well as the natural sunlight coming in or living room. Being in an almost completly dark room durring the day is deppressing to me anyway. Thanks for trying to help though!
post #8789 of 12870
Everyone,

I just got my new PRO-150FD in and it looks sweet. The born date is March 2008. Awesome!!!
post #8790 of 12870
FYI: I have no buzzing noise at all not even when the colors change.
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