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post #9121 of 12870
I do have a life beyond my display and it's exhausting trying to keep up with the important information regarding my TV.

This information desperately needs to be more organized. 300 serial pages is just insane especially when 80% is junk or obsolete.

I have seen a few great sites for my other toys that maintain a forum and a Wiki and it is great. Even for contrubitions I make myself I use it as reference.

Couple samples:

http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/mogul...6800-wiki.html
http://www.meridianunplugged.com/wik...x.php/HomePage

So I've started a Wiki for Pioneer Plasma's. With FULL credit of where the information came from.

Please don't go by what current information I have on the new Wiki which has been nicely orgnaized by D-Nice but there is tons of other pieces of information that should be consolidated.

Information like Buying Authorized
New generations
Service Menus
The Buzz issue.
Etc.
Etc.

It also allows more than one person to contribute to a piece of information.

It's not much but it's a start.

http://pioneerplasma.wikidot.com/

I hope I can convince folks that this is a better way.

If you agree create yourself an account and PM me and I'll add you as an editor.

I would have no problem handing over manager duties to someone like D-Nice or other Plasma guru.

I'm just trying to seed the idea of moving towards a Wiki.

There is Wiki's on PS3, Processors, Phones etc. But nothing for our Plasmas.
post #9122 of 12870
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Originally Posted by ikeb View Post

i don't know what you mean?

i'm just trying to show you that after "fixing" the service menu settings - user and movie put their own twist on them and you can never get this thing totally correct.

i've never played with an elete, but i understand that there is a mode where you can set the r-high, r-low etc and that's the way it will be -in the 5080 - can't be done.

What I mean is, what adjustments did you make in the service menu (eg. what are your offsets) Also what are you settings under user and movie modes (eg. what are you contrast brightness tent etc.) in both modes? I was just trying to compare all your settings to mine since you seem to have everything correct, I wanted to try out all your settings, I am new to calibration so, not really even sure how to read your graphs.
post #9123 of 12870
blue ray - in user
+35
+3
-7
1R
-11
adv
off
mid
off
on
2
1
mid
off
low
off

blue ray - movie
+37
+1
+2
R1
-11
adv
off
mid
off
on
2
1
mid
off
low
off

dtv - user
+35
+2
-13
0
-11
standard
off
mid
off
on
2
1
mid
off
low
off

i am not a purist in the strictest sense - so some of these setting are just personal taste after screwing with this thing for 8 months



Quote:
Originally Posted by lesson View Post

What I mean is, what adjustments did you make in the service menu (eg. what are your offsets) Also what are you settings under user and movie modes (eg. what are you contrast brightness tent etc.) in both modes? I was just trying to compare all your settings to mine since you seem to have everything correct, I wanted to try out all your settings, I am new to calibration so, not really even sure how to read your graphs.
post #9124 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by ikeb View Post

i calibrated it myself in the service menu

IIRC, you'd previously had your set professionally calibrated as well. (Twice?) Did you keep any of those charts, by any chance? I'd guess not, since you discarded your D-Nice settings results, but they would be interesting for comparison if they were available.
post #9125 of 12870
i have the ones from the first pro calibration on paper - but i'm pretty sure it was wrong and screwed it up - the second one was a unique situation - the charts for it are gone and were specifically for movie mode where move mode was incorporated into the service menu settings by going in and out and in and out - but that was not good either because it left me with terrible user and standard, etc modes. So i deciided to to do this stuff myself when i want to and how i want to! In a way its fun and in a way its very frustrating.

you take a guy like d-nice who knows what he is doing and he can do all this in a short period of time - its taken me 8 months to get this right.

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Originally Posted by Macfan424 View Post

IIRC, you'd previously had your set professionally calibrated as well. (Twice?) Did you keep any of those charts, by any chance? I'd guess not, since you discarded your D-Nice settings results, but they would be interesting for comparison if they were available.
post #9126 of 12870
Hi again Kuro owners,

An update to my post about stuck/dead pixels a few days ago.

Pioneer authorized local service company to inspect my 40 day old 5010. They were at my home 2 days ago. Good news is that the string of what I thought to be dead pixels was some sort of very thin layer of manufacturers adhesive stuck hard on the screen. Bad news is that what I thought was a cluster of dead pixels is in fact 1 dead pixel. Only the red cell is dead though. Not a big problem, but once you know it's there, you see it everytime the screen goes red/orange.

The TV service company made their report to Pioneer Canada. Pioneer won't replace TV. I didn't think they would. Good news is, Best Buy will replace the 5010. They have none in stock so in a few weeks I might get a newer model.

Here's a very strange thing that I was informed of by the Pioneer authorized service company. They are returning to my house next week to do a firmware update on my 5010 before it is returned to Best Buy. I enquired what the update was for and here's their response.

Pioneer Canada has been experiencing problems with the HDMI switching on some of their new Kuro Models. It seems that continual cable box updates are causing frequency changes in HDMI connections. These changes are causing the cooling fans in the TV to stop operating and the circuit boards are overheating and shutting down the TV. The service company told me they have already done a few of these firmware upgrades already. They have also had to replace a few burned out circuit boards as well.

When I asked them if my new 5010 will need this upgrade, he said to call Pioneer with your model# and serial# and they'll tell you if a service call is warranted or not.

Now there's a lot to chew on!
post #9127 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by mswlogo View Post

I do have a life beyond my display and it's exhausting trying to keep up with the important information regarding my TV.

This information desperately needs to be more organized. 300 serial pages is just insane especially when 80% is junk or obsolete...

...So I've started a Wiki for Pioneer Plasma's...

...It's not much but it's a start.

http://pioneerplasma.wikidot.com/...

Nice idea. Hope it takes hold. Those of us who have been reading the Kuro threads from the beginning may be able to keep up, but I certainly pity the neophyte. It has to be overwhelming.

Even some of us old timers get frustrated trying to refer back to something posted a few months ago. The search function tends to turn up a disheartening number of posts to wade through (at least it does for me ). And sometimes it turns out the post in question was in a different Kuro thread anyway. Some organization would be a great help.

Good luck.
post #9128 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by ikeb View Post

...In a way its fun and in a way its very frustrating.

...its taken me 8 months to get this right.

Me too, although my "right" uses quite different settings than yours. (Mine is based on Low color temp.)
post #9129 of 12870
i used low for quite a while - but hatted it - too much yellow/brown/red. i had my 36xbr250 calibrated some years ago and the guy who did it told me that mid for the color temp was the best because it didn't insert any inaccurate colors - so he he did it in mid. the 5080 with the settings found on this site used low and i tried and tried to live with them - am much happier now with mid. just personal taste.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Macfan424 View Post

Me too, although my "right" uses quite different settings than yours. (Mine is based on Low color temp.)
post #9130 of 12870
Hi,

If your referring to my long post, if you read the bottom 2 paragraphs you will see that this is a very important post. I haven't read anything on all 458 pages of this thread that talks about HDMI problems.
post #9131 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by ikeb View Post

blue ray - in user
+35
+3
-7
1R
-11
adv
off
mid
off
on
2
1
mid
off
low
off

blue ray - movie
+37
+1
+2
R1
-11
adv
off
mid
off
on
2
1
mid
off
low
off

dtv - user
+35
+2
-13
0
-11
standard
off
mid
off
on
2
1
mid
off
low
off

i am not a purist in the strictest sense - so some of these setting are just personal taste after screwing with this thing for 8 months


Are these settings based on these SM adjustments?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ikeb View Post

R-High=7
G-High=0
B-High=-8
R-Low=-6
G-Low=-3
B-Low=-14
post #9132 of 12870
mswlogo

Thank you for the effort and trouble to attempt to organize the information for our Kuros.
It's very much appreciated and is definitely a time saver.
post #9133 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by Macfan424 View Post

Nice idea. Hope it takes hold. Those of us who have been reading the Kuro threads from the beginning may be able to keep up, but I certainly pity the neophyte. It has to be overwhelming.

Even some of us old timers get frustrated trying to refer back to something posted a few months ago. The search function tends to turn up a disheartening number of posts to wade through (at least it does for me ). And sometimes it turns out the post in question was in a different Kuro thread anyway. Some organization would be a great help.

Good luck.

Thanks for the Kudo's

I set it up so you can become a contributing member (a wiki author) using a password.

Just go here http://pioneerplasma.wikidot.com/system:join
Create an account and use the password below.

Password is: ilovemypioneerplasma

By the way if AVS forums some day supports wiki's (many large forum sites do) I have no problem helping transfer the content to a Pioneer Plasma Wiki on AVSforums.
post #9134 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by ikeb View Post

i used low for quite a while - but hatted it - too much yellow/brown/red. i had my 36xbr250 calibrated some years ago and the guy who did it told me that mid for the color temp was the best because it didn't insert any inaccurate colors - so he he did it in mid. the 5080 with the settings found on this site used low and i tried and tried to live with them - am much happier now with mid. just personal taste.

I liked your settings very well (and D-Nice's similar looking SM settings, too), but I think I have just gotten used to Low, so after a couple of days I reverted because I liked my own just a little bit better. As you said, just personal taste.

I still use Mid on a few shows, though, the ones that are just too oversaturated for me, or tilted too far to the red. I usually use "User" for D* programming, but setting up "Standard" to work with Mid gives me a quick and easy solution to those "aberrant" broadcasts, even though I know it's less than accurate. And I like the "pop" Mid provides to baseball and football games (for which I tend to use Optimum).
post #9135 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cronin View Post

I think we are seeing more evidence that the 768p Kuro's are set up different from the 1080p Kuro's. If someone with a 4280 can chime in with their RGB factory defaults we may have all the evidence we need.

I finally got enough viewing hours on my set, and I went into the SM. First thing I checked was to make sure that the viewing hours and plugged-in hours were what I was expecting them to be, and not those of a "pre-owned" set that was re-boxed to look new.

The factory defaults on my 4280 were:
R-High: 242
G-High: 256
B-High: 224

512 for R,G,B-Low

I noticed that two other 4280 owners here also had their default B-High setting around mine, which is about 15-20 clicks lower than the average B-High of those who either have a 5080, or who I'm guessing have a 5080. I wonder if this has any implications. Any other 4280 owners have their default B-High setting this low?

I'm now trying out D-Nice's RGB High & Low settings (thanks!) along with the accompanying User menu settings. I'll test them out for a while before trying ikeb's settings. One thing I've immediately tweaked is the color (saturation), which I have bumped up to -9 for video-sourced TV programs like the news or late-night shows.

I also tried out that eyeball method that someone suggested a week or so ago where you turn the color down all the way to -30 to get a black & white picture, then I switched between the 3 color temperature settings to see the differences. I should have done this before going into the SM for a comparison, but at least for after the SM tweaks I could see how the Low temperature setting produces a red-brown-yellow tint, whereas High temperature was more of a purpleish blue. As expected, the Mid temperature was the most neutral, but it does seem to have a bit of a green-blue tint to my eye. Don't know if I should worry much about that, 'cause it looks good with the color turned back on. Overall, it seems that the SM adjustments have improved skin tones a bit, but to be honest, the settings I had with Mid temperature before I entered the SM really weren't all that bad as compared to what I see now. Keep in mind though that I just recently made these settings changes, and I don't have blue-ray for a means of comparison.
post #9136 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by mittene View Post

I finally got enough viewing hours on my set, and I went into the SM. First thing I checked was to make sure that the viewing hours and plugged-in hours were what I was expecting them to be, and not those of a "pre-owned" set that was re-boxed to look new.

The factory defaults on my 4280 were:
R-High: 242
G-High: 256
B-High: 224

512 for R,G,B-Low

I noticed that two other 4280 owners here also had their default B-High setting around mine, which is about 15-20 clicks lower than the average B-High of those who either have a 5080, or who I'm guessing have a 5080. I wonder if this has any implications. Any other 4280 owners have their default B-High setting this low?

I'm now trying out D-Nice's RGB High & Low settings (thanks!) along with the accompanying User menu settings. I'll test them out for a while before trying ikeb's settings. One thing I've immediately tweaked is the color (saturation), which I have bumped up to -9 for video-sourced TV programs like the news or late-night shows.

I also tried out that eyeball method that someone suggested a week or so ago where you turn the color down all the way to -30 to get a black & white picture, then I switched between the 3 color temperature settings to see the differences. I should have done this before going into the SM for a comparison, but at least for after the SM tweaks I could see how the Low temperature setting produces a red-brown-yellow tint, whereas High temperature was more of a purpleish blue. As expected, the Mid temperature was the most neutral, but it does seem to have a bit of a green-blue tint to my eye. Don't know if I should worry much about that, 'cause it looks good with the color turned back on. Overall, it seems that the SM adjustments have improved skin tones a bit, but to be honest, the settings I had with Mid temperature before I entered the SM really weren't all that bad as compared to what I see now. Keep in mind though that I just recently made these settings changes, and I don't have blue-ray for a means of comparison.

You know you can bring up about 100 different calibration patterns while your in the SM

.
Most of them are gray patterns so you can eyeball them without leaving the SM.
It's kinda complicated explaining on here how to get the patterns up, at the same time as adjusting the RGB settings. But it is very effective.
post #9137 of 12870
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Originally Posted by thaxx View Post

You know you can bring up about 100 different calibration patterns while your in the SM

Most of them are gray patterns so you can eyeball them without leaving the SM.
It's kinda complicated explaining on here how to get the patterns up, at the same time as adjusting the RGB settings. But it is very effective.

Well damnit Thaxx..... how do we get these patterns???? C'mon, most of us were dumb enough to go into our SMs in the first place, whats another level of "messing" around gonna hurt?

post #9138 of 12870
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Originally Posted by s2mikey View Post

Well damnit Thaxx..... how do we get these patterns???? C'mon, most of us were dumb enough to go into our SMs in the first place, whats another level of "messing" around gonna hurt?


I'll tell ya what. I would rather talk you through it while your in front of your T.V. It's nothing dangerous or anything. It's just not easy to explain here.
post #9139 of 12870
thanxxxxxxxxx
post #9140 of 12870
Guys and Gals,

Can anyone point me to a site that I can download the ELITE KURO PRO-1150FD owners manual for free? I have tried the Pioneer website for 10 days now and it stops downloading each time half way through. Is there any other site? Thanks.
post #9141 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by cjre1 View Post

Guys and Gals,

Can anyone point me to a site that I can download the ELITE KURO PRO-1150FD owners manual for free? I have tried the Pioneer website for 10 days now and it stops downloading each time half way through. Is there any other site? Thanks.

I've had trouble recently downloading manuals as well. I was able to get what I needed by stopping and restarting a few times. You probably have already tried that though.....
post #9142 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by thaxx View Post

I'll tell ya what. I would rather talk you through it while your in front of your T.V. It's nothing dangerous or anything. It's just not easy to explain here.

Sometime maybe we could do that.... thanks!!!
post #9143 of 12870
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Originally Posted by NemoZorro View Post

I've had trouble recently downloading manuals as well. I was able to get what I needed by stopping and restarting a few times. You probably have already tried that though.....

Yes, I have tried that about 100 times. I did find another electronic web site that had the manual. I downloaded, saved and printed it without any issues.

FYI to all:
The Pioneer website is not working correctly to download the Plasma owner manuals.
post #9144 of 12870
I'd like to hear from 5080 owners who used the service menu to change the color of sidebars from gray to black. Have the black sidebars caused any burn-in issues?

It's my understanding the reason some panels have gray sidebars is because they're less likely to cause burn-in than black sidebars.
post #9145 of 12870
Is there a post about DRE picture? What is DRE? What is ACL? Why does D-nice say turn these off in all setting modes? Why do we also want Black level off? I am trying to understand the new settings. Thanks.
post #9146 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by cjre1 View Post

Guys and Gals,

Can anyone point me to a site that I can download the ELITE KURO PRO-1150FD owners manual for free? I have tried the Pioneer website for 10 days now and it stops downloading each time half way through. Is there any other site? Thanks.

Try this site:

http://www.manualnguide.com/download...rs-manual.html

I've downloaded many manuals from it, including all the Kuro manuals before I bought the TV to learn about it.
post #9147 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cronin View Post

Try this site:

http://www.manualnguide.com/download...rs-manual.html

I've downloaded many manuals from it, including all the Kuro manuals before I bought the TV to learn about it.

Awesome. Thanks. I will check that site out.
post #9148 of 12870
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Originally Posted by like2watch00 View Post

I'd like to hear from 5080 owners who used the service menu to change the color of sidebars from gray to black. Have the black sidebars caused any burn-in issues?

It's my understanding the reason some panels have gray sidebars is because they're less likely to cause burn-in than black sidebars.

I've used black sidebars on my 5080 since day one (~8 months ago) with no problems whatsoever. I also used them on my previous Panasonic plasma for 4 years.

You are correct, the gray bars are designed to reduce the likelihood of IR, and those who are paranoid about this subject may be wise to stick with the factory settings for their own peace of mind, if nothing else.
post #9149 of 12870
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Originally Posted by Macfan424 View Post

I've used black sidebars on my 5080 since day one (~8 months ago) with no problems whatsoever. I also used them on my previous Panasonic plasma for 4 years.

You are correct, the gray bars are designed to reduce the likelihood of IR, and those who are paranoid about this subject may be wise to stick with the factory settings for their own peace of mind, if nothing else.

I did it as well and have had no issues. Frankly, I hated the look of the gray sidebars. The weird thing is that the sidebars are only gray on 4:3 SD broadcast programming content. Even if you change nothing, the sidebars on 4:3 HD broadcast programming content are black. Kind of defeats the purpose IMO.
post #9150 of 12870
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cronin View Post

I did it as well and have had no issues. Frankly, I hated the look of the gray sidebars. The weird thing is that the sidebars are only gray on 4:3 SD broadcast programming content. Even if you change nothing, the sidebars on 4:3 HD broadcast programming content are black. Kind of defeats the purpose IMO.

That's because the black bars in HD broadcasts are encoded into the signal which is always transmitted in 16:9. The TV is just reproducing what it is sent. (The side bars are colored in some 4:3 HD broadcasts: 60 Minutes, ESPN, etc.)
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