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post #1 of 29
6/10/07 at 4:40pm
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Ok so this is a little different. i did a search,couldnt find anything.
Here it is. I went to an auction and picked up a few plasmas.
2 42"NEC's and 2 60" Zenith Plasmas.
Heres the problem, They have some REALLY BAD burn in. COuldnt check before hand of course. but thats the risk you take.
Anyway is there any fix or am i out cash? I was thinking is there a program that inverses an image? they were used as bank dispays i found out when i got them home, The burn in is Some commerce bank logos and about saving with a home equity loan
is there anything ican do?Someone i can pay to fix them?
no bad pixels or anything,Just this horrendous burn in. If i look in the sunlight i can see the burn in. In theory inversing the image should work right?
Argh. Someone help me out These plasmas were SO ABUSED
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post #2 of 29
6/10/07 at 5:08pm
There is....it's called a white-wash which I wouldn't recommend if the sets were purchased new and fairly recent, but given these were in bad shape when you got them, I'd say it might get rid of 75-90% of your problem.

Not an expert on the procedure, sure someone will post your options soon.
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post #3 of 29
6/11/07 at 4:09am
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really?Awesome. Someone chime in
Its def. Burn in and not image retention.
i hope it works!
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post #4 of 29
6/11/07 at 7:36am
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Just got off the phone with a "TV Tech" but he said even an inverse image wouldnt work. He said just throw it out. i dont think thats entirely true is it?
Let me know!
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post #5 of 29
6/11/07 at 8:25am
Depends how bad it is. If they had bank logos posted for months (and probably in torch mode), then you're likely not going to get a perfect panel. I'm not famliar with those models, but there may be a scrolling bar test pattern in the service menu. It'll age the TV but may reduce the burn-in.
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post #6 of 29
6/11/07 at 8:52am
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Originally Posted by SeveNx7 View Post

Just got off the phone with a "TV Tech" but he said even an inverse image wouldnt work. He said just throw it out. i dont think thats entirely true is it?

Burn-in is permanent damage and it's very unlikely that you'll ever be able to get rid of it. Sorry. How much did you pay for these 4 plasmas? Hopefully not too much. Maybe they'd have some value for their electronic components via EBay or some local plasma repair centers?
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post #7 of 29
6/11/07 at 9:10am
Well he said he bought at a auction, we all know how sometimes people go way overboard in the bidding frenzy, hope it wasn't more than 3-400 a piece.
There probably older panels that were more prone to burn-in, try using the breakin test dvd found in this thread somewere.
We have a few Crt's here at my work that are burned in pretty bad.
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post #8 of 29
6/11/07 at 12:03pm
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600 for the 60" and 250 for the 42 inch.. i see the bank logo burned in,i se it when off too :/
the 42" are not so bad. i could deal with them. Its the 60 inch i want to work

I can try jscreenfix but i think it will take weeks of constant running i think i will try the white screen. even though i dont think that will do anything as the wear is already uneven. it doesnt have to be perfect,just viewable and bearable
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post #9 of 29
6/11/07 at 12:07pm
Just loop something full screen non-stop for a few days. It probably won't get rid of it but it may help.
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post #10 of 29
6/11/07 at 12:45pm
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At this point its not about making it 100%...maybe just 75%
i have it on jscreenfix for 2 more days,after 2 days it became kind of watchable,when io first got it there were globs of blue and color splotches,they're gone now,and the burn in is a little lighter.
Keep the suggestions coming guys,and thanks!
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post #11 of 29
6/11/07 at 2:06pm
I wouldn't think a white-wash or break-in disc would work. The pixels that are "burned-in" have had their phosphors aged more quickly than the other pixels. If you age all the pixels on the display evenly, I wouldn't think you'd realize any decrease in the burned pixels. If you could somehow display a negative of the exact image that caused the burn-in, then you could age the phosphor in the other pixels more rapidly and achieve somewhat of an equilibrium after approximately the same amount of time.
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post #12 of 29
6/11/07 at 5:24pm
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Originally Posted by B Leisle View Post

I wouldn't think a white-wash or break-in disc would work. The pixels that are "burned-in" have had their phosphors aged more quickly than the other pixels. If you age all the pixels on the display evenly, I wouldn't think you'd realize any decrease in the burned pixels. If you could somehow display a negative of the exact image that caused the burn-in, then you could age the phosphor in the other pixels more rapidly and achieve somewhat of an equilibrium after approximately the same amount of time.

yes,now the challenge is...how do i do that?:/
that was my idea from the start
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post #13 of 29
6/11/07 at 5:40pm
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Originally Posted by SeveNx7 View Post

yes,now the challenge is...how do i do that?:/
that was my idea from the start

Display a white image, take a photograph of the screen. Invert the image. Adjust levels so black is RGB 0,0,0. Blur it. Display it on your tv.
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post #14 of 29
6/11/07 at 7:21pm
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Burn-in is permanent damage and it's very unlikely that you'll ever be able to get rid of it. Sorry. How much did you pay for these 4 plasmas? Hopefully not too much. Maybe they'd have some value for their electronic components via EBay or some local plasma repair centers?

all that burn in is is the aging of the phosphors at different levels, making them produce LESS visible light when hit by the uv rays.


the only way a negative image would work is if it mirrored the EXACT gradation and pattern of the "darker" spots/areas...

the problem with burn in, is it is very hard to match the negative...for every color in every pixel (according to its output)...exactly that is.
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post #15 of 29
6/11/07 at 7:23pm
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Originally Posted by positronic View Post

Display a white image, take a photograph of the screen. Invert the image. Adjust levels so black is RGB 0,0,0. Blur it. Display it on your tv.

also, depending on how light/bad it is, a gray"er" image (instead of white), might be looked after


that is a great idea none-the-less
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post #16 of 29
6/12/07 at 8:46am
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I guess i will take a picture of it,then post it so you can all see the magic. In other news i watched a High def version of chicago and it was actually pretty watchable
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post #17 of 29
6/22/07 at 4:45am
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Just plugged in the 62"
Here are the links to the pictures...any comments/suggestions? Thanks

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...22-07_0731.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...22-07_0730.jpg
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post #18 of 29
6/22/07 at 5:02am
Yikes, that *IS* really bad.

What model are those panels? Older plasmas were notorious for burn-in issues and even 30 minutes of a static image on an old plasma could cause damage. If these panels are more than 3 years old and have such an issue, you're probably not going to be able to clean them up.

Do you have any shots of the 42" panels? Really, NEC makes a superior plasma to begin with and those might be your better bet.
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post #19 of 29
6/22/07 at 5:13am
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they are p60w26p zeniths. manufactured march 2003 :/
i really hope theres something i can do, if you look at the picture theres a band of light blue as well...seems they used that color alot in that section :/ i need to get a working remote so i can play with the settings...
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post #20 of 29
6/22/07 at 5:23am
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Originally Posted by SeveNx7 View Post

they are p60w26p zeniths. manufactured march 2003 :/
i really hope theres something i can do, if you look at the picture theres a band of light blue as well...seems they used that color alot in that section :/ i need to get a working remote so i can play with the settings...

I saw this comment in a review...

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The biggest issue with the DPD60W had been a tendency to temporary screen burn-in, visible primarily from test patterns. If a light-colored pattern was held on the DPD60W's screen longer than average scenes in normal program material, the image was still visible even a minute or two later during dark scenes. It faded away eventually, but that could take several minutes.

Doesn't sound good.

What about the NEC models?
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post #21 of 29
6/22/07 at 8:14am
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there are some dead pixels in that display,and i ran jscreenfix for 4 days and it doesnt seem to be doing much.
Getting hopeless
i guess i could just get someone to converge my NEC PG9+ and use that
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post #22 of 29
6/22/07 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by SeveNx7 View Post

600 for the 60" and 250 for the 42 inch.. i see the bank logo burned in,i se it when off too :/
the 42" are not so bad. i could deal with them. Its the 60 inch i want to work

You mean you spent $850 total for 4 screens? Or were those the prices for each? Not for nothing but do you actually need all 4 screens? May be that the best way to cut your losses would be to relist them for auction (eBay?) and hope to get close to break-even. If you get your money back, you'd be pretty close to the price of one 42"....
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post #23 of 29
6/22/07 at 11:19am
The NEC should have a Long Life menu with an Inverse setting. Set it to WHITE which will display an all white screen. Leave that on for a few hours and see if it helps.
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post #24 of 29
6/22/07 at 12:58pm
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i "needed" 3 for a forza setup with the three screens. Was just playing with the idea and messing around. the 60" and 42 were all i needed,was gonna give a 42" to my mom.
I spend 925 on all 4. not a big deal,but would like one working Panel
but we cant have it all...cant find and inverse selection,but i could just use a white 1280X720 image right?
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post #25 of 29
6/22/07 at 3:40pm
Alternate between JSF and the break in DVD. Make sure your screens are on torch mode (max brightness, contrast, color) and they aren't in danger of overheating.

You will need extreme patience. If you thought 4 days would do it, you bit off a more than you can chew. I'd gauge progress weekly.
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post #26 of 29
6/22/07 at 6:17pm
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hmmm...well lets try a month...i dont have a break in dvd...i gotta find it. but what is that slight tinge of blue in the middle of the screen in that one picture?
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post #27 of 29
6/22/07 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by SeveNx7 View Post

i "needed" 3 for a forza setup with the three screens. Was just playing with the idea and messing around. the 60" and 42 were all i needed,was gonna give a 42" to my mom.
I spend 925 on all 4. not a big deal,but would like one working Panel
but we cant have it all...cant find and inverse selection,but i could just use a white 1280X720 image right?


I give you a ton of credit for trying to pull off the "3 screen Forza" setup its one of those things you would only see in a magazine or at Bill Gates house...I would think that you could still buy a new screen for the front and just use the Burned in ones for the sides considering you wouldn't be looking at them much except for out of the side of your eyes..

good luck
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post #28 of 29
6/22/07 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by SeveNx7 View Post

they are p60w26p zeniths. manufactured march 2003 :/
i really hope theres something i can do, if you look at the picture theres a band of light blue as well...seems they used that color alot in that section :/ i need to get a working remote so i can play with the settings...

I'm sorry to be blunt but you'll NEVER get rid of this; or even get noticeably better. You said in an earier post that you can see it when the set is off - that's classic burn-in, not IR. Also those pictures show just how bad they are. Don't waste any more time and money; they're done.
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post #29 of 29
6/24/07 at 12:12pm
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Well i decided to use them as my left and right screens,and mt LCD as the front,screw it...burn in doesnt really matter on my left and right forza screens
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