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post #721 of 733
Well your flying alne by the seat of your pants now because to date no one else has used a Graco for S-I-L-V-E-R.

Nail it down then make a final report as to what works best.
post #722 of 733
So, to mention more. The last mix I made, which consisted of 5 oz of water, I noticed that even with the gun at 50% open there was still unwanted bigger drops. Mind you, it was better then the 6 oz of water at 50% open. The 5 oz water at 50% open gave a better, more duster like pattern, then the 6 oz at 50% open. The jump from 5 oz to 6 oz made things worse in having more bigger drops. I'm guessing that the mix, with only the initial 4 oz water, will probably spray at the needed duster but still only with the gun dial only at 50% open. As you mentioned, I want to have the gun dial at least 70% open. So, what I'm going to do, is try the mix out with only 3 oz of water then i'll try 4 oz, with the red dye in it, and see how much water it will take to give me the best duster. I want to have the gun at least 70% but would prefer 80% open. Heck, since i'm using the Graco 3900 spraystation which, has more air flow then the 2900, I may end up finding out that 2 oz of water, eek.gif , is all that it will take instead of the initial 4 oz...
Second, I'll have to use the Martha Stewart polish silver for the next batch and I notice that the consistency of the Martha Stewart, Polish Silver, is thinner then the Liquitex silver. Up to this point I've been using the Liquitex .Does the thinner MS silver mean I need to add more silver to the batch or keep it the same?? How will the thinner MS silver effect how the gun sprays??
I'm glad you guys switched to the MS polished silver. It's cheaper then the Liquitex silver and you get more of it as well. It's also far easier to find a Home Depot then a Micheals. Thanks guys for making the change. smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif
post #723 of 733
Your welcome, but use the amounts suggested....no guessing.
post #724 of 733
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

Your welcome, but use the amounts suggested....no guessing.

MississippiMan, unfortunately frown.giffrown.gif , MS polish silver didn't work to well for s-I-l-v-e-r. Since the viscosity of the MS silver was thinner it messed up the viscosity of the completed s-I-l-v-e-r mixture. I started with 3 oz of water, then I tried 4 oz, then 5 oz and even though I had the gun dial at 60% open it spit BAD. The 3 oz of water in the MS version of s-I-l-v-e-r spit like the 6 or 7 oz water in the Liquitex s-I--l-v-e-r mixture. Once I went to 4 oz and 5 oz it got far worse and worse. Maybe you can try your hand at the MS silver, s-I-l-v-e-r mixture, and get the kinks out.
Second, the MS silver didn't blend as well with the Behr Faux glaze as the Liquitex silver did. I had a hard time getting the mix to blend completely and after mixing the MS silver would separate a bit in the paint cup. Also, the MS silver, s-I-l-v-e-r mixture was darker then the Liquitex s-I-l-v-e-r mixture. I would have to recommend sticking with the Liquitex silver for s-I-l-v-e-r....back to Michaels morrow.
post #725 of 733
Well Pooh....., frown.gif

At least your going to get back to a point where the Mix is at it's most viscous (thickest) and you can make your adjustments from there.

I'm almost tempted to pack up and send you one of my old Wagner Control Spray Guns(original)...the type I did all my own S-I-L-V-E-Rs with.

They actually started selling them on the Gleem website again. $45.00
http://www.gleempaint.com/wagner-control-spray.html

Just what you wanted to hear...eh? tongue.gif
post #726 of 733
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

Well Pooh....., frown.gif

At least your going to get back to a point where the Mix is at it's most viscous (thickest) and you can make your adjustments from there.

I'm almost tempted to pack up and send you one of my old Wagner Control Spray Guns(original)...the type I did all my own S-I-L-V-E-Rs with.

They actually started selling them on the Gleem website again. $45.00
http://www.gleempaint.com/wagner-control-spray.html

Just what you wanted to hear...eh? tongue.gif

ill go back to the liquitex and give it another go. should be able get itdown on the liquittex version. let you know how it goes.
post #727 of 733
Okay, I want to recant on the mix not seeming to blend as well with MS polish silver. The MS silver mix just looked swirly when looking at it in the paint cup but I went to take a closer look at the s-I-l-v-e-r mixture I have that has the Liquitex brand it has that swirly look to, maybe not quite as much but still has it. The reason the MS silver just looked worse to me is because the s-I-l-v-e-r mixture that has the MS silver in it is darker then the Liquitex silver mixture and am able to see the imperfections better. But, it is still important to note that
s-I-l-v-e-r with the MS silver is a darker grey then the s-I-l-v-e-r with the Liquitex silver.
Second, is the silver in the Liquitex jar the same consistency as the ones in the tubes?? I know you prefer the jar over the tubes and was wondering if that was why.
post #728 of 733
Glad yo hear you recognized there was no real issue. When I think about it, I remember seeing the same thing, but any close and objective examination showed that the mixture overall was thoroughly blended.

No difference in consistency, just easier to get it out. Also, you can add a bit of the listed water to the Jar, shake vigorously, and reclaim some of the stubborn "hanger on" .

I cannot confirm this, but logic dictates that the darker MS Silver should up the ambient light resistance at least a bit beyond what the older S-I-L-V-E-R formulations afforded. Also, the original Behr Silver metallic was quite a bit darker than the Liqutex, as well as the preceding Gleam varieties.

And what's up with this "s-I-l-v-e-r " stuff. It's "S-I-L-V-E-R", Bub ! biggrin.gif
post #729 of 733
Though the added darkness would help with ambient light wouldn't that also cause it to crush the whites a little bit more in the process?? Would be nice if it increased blacks and better ambient light tolerance but still allowed the whites to be as bright as it would with the liquitex silver.
post #730 of 733
S-I-L-V-E-R has never had any issue with preserving Whites. The original Formula being the reference standard to judge all others by, and it was a over-achiever itself.

If current thinking holds any meaning, the MS-SM is the best quality and consistency SM we have encountered to date.

Go with whatever you feel most comfotrable with...you are past the point of needing to elicit opinions
post #731 of 733
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Originally Posted by narhic_fd View Post

Though the added darkness would help with ambient light wouldn't that also cause it to crush the whites a little bit more in the process?? Would be nice if it increased blacks and better ambient light tolerance but still allowed the whites to be as bright as it would with the liquitex silver.

Sorry MississippiMan. I think i worded my question wrong. When it comes to the MS silver brand being used for S-I-L-V-E-R, I was afraid that the darker shade would crush the whites a little more then if one was using the LIquitex silver. You mentioned that using the MS silver would give better ambient light performance since it's a shade darker but I was curious if it being a shade darker would also crush the white a little bit more then the Liquitex silver would. I was thinking it would be cool if the MS silver offered better ambient light control as well as maintaining the white to the same extent as liquitex silver did. You know...basically getting the up shoot on ambient light but not at the expense of loosing those maintained whites. biggrin.gif. biggrin.gif
post #732 of 733
I know what you meant...and your using the difference between the Liquitex and MS as your criteria for judgement. What I said was the original S-I-L-V-E-R formula that used Behr Premium Plux Faux Metallic Silver resulted in a similar if not darker shade of Gray....almost identical to the MS Silver. The original dis not crush Whites at all...in fact...as you should be aware by now, a prime aspect of S-I-L-V-E-R is it's extreme enhancement of Colors...something that is inherent in using a Gray, but the ability to retain Whites as well.

S-I-L-V-E-R has never been a application that touts ambient light capability, however any S-I-L-V-E-R formulation that results in a darker shade of Gray than another will do better in ambient light than the lighter Gray example. If the ratio of Silver Metallic is equal in both (Mica Flakes) then the only other variable is going to be within a small degree of added Gain due to the lighter screen being...well, lighter. But ambient light performance will take a hit with the lighter screen (...I already said that, didn't I...)

My switch from using Behr SM to using Delta Ceramcoat was predicated on trying to increase gain while maintaining S-I-L-V-E-R's original properties.(...as well as take advantage of D-C's smaller Mica chips...)

That is why I added the "HG" designation to S-I-L-V-E-R.

You have to accept the known premise that a lighter color screen will not combat ambient light better than a darker screen, if all other properties are equal. Ultra High Gain Retro-Reflective Screens notwithstanding.
post #733 of 733
MississippiMan, How much water should i start out with if using the Graco 1900 spraystation unit per quart of S-I-L-V-E-R mix???
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