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RPU primarily for PC use...which is best?

post #1 of 11
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I want a HDTV 1080p at least 60" mostly going to be used with my PC for Photography work/show and PC gaming. Colors need to be true, fonts need to be sharp and I dont want to deal with a ton of overscan forcing me to drop my resolution to make it fit on the screen (setting custom rez for desktop is easy but in games very hard). And if I pay for 1080p I want all my pixels visable, thank you! I'm goign to be using DVI-HDMI to connect unless someone has a better idea.

I want to stay under $2000

So I've been looking at:

Sony 60A2020 or 2000
Toshiba 65hm167 or 62MX196 (which is better?)
Samsung HL-R6168W
Mitsubishi Wd-65731
JVC HD-61FH97
Any other suggestions?

Or is their maybe something worth waiting for?

PLEASE HELP GUYS!! I'm very new to the HDTV world and no one at the stores knows anythign about hooking up a PC to there TV's

Jordan
post #2 of 11
Probably don't want 65HM167 and they do use overscan with PC. Not sure about the VGA port as it is limited to 1024x768 resolution (I used DVItoHDMI cable)

With Mits 65731, you can use Reduced mode with pic size button to see the whole desktop but it will have black bars all around the screen and with Normal mode, it is using overscan.
post #3 of 11
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I can set my desktop to 1920 X 1080 resolution if there no overscan then it should fit perfectly but alot of 1080p HDTV can really only put up like 1850x 1000 resolution the cutting off the surrounding 50 pixels of important stuff like your "Start" Button
post #4 of 11
Yep you're right. My Tosh 65HM167 doesnt display start menu/taskbar on bottom. I just used crtl esc to bring start menu up =p I only use my PC as HTPC so that doesn't really bother me.
post #5 of 11
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there's no adjustment ont he tosh to be able to see all the pixels at 1920 x 1080?
post #6 of 11
AFAIK, unfortunately no. Only HPOS and VPOS in service menu which won't even help.
post #7 of 11
All rp tv's have some amount of overscan.....nature of the beast. Unless you are willing to reengineer the light path (move the mirror or light engine) you cannot get away from it.

That said, I use a KDS60A2000 on my htpc setup with overscan correction (HAH! Good joke on Nvidia's part, but I digress....) applied. Too blurry for websurfing / email / etc (unless I let it overscan) but ok for gaming / dvd's.

If I were looking for a new set today and thinking gaming / really big monitor as the main use, I would seriously consider a direct view lcd. Generally easy to eliminate overscan without loosing sharpness, and the refresh rates on the new units are more than acceptable for me. The price......well, I would have spent a whole lot more to get 60" at 1080p.....

Like everything else in this "hobby", sometimes you have to make tradeoffs....
post #8 of 11
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that sucks i thought that unit would have been the better. I think more fuss needs to be made about overscan. It's missleading to says something's 1080p and yet it can not display a 1920x1080 image. they need to add a "Visable/usable resolution" stat to these TVs.
post #9 of 11
Ah, thats the thing.....television signals are designed with overscan in mind. The extra scan lines are used to carry data, things like commercial break timing and the such. If you could see them on the screen it looks like static at the top and bottom of the picture. Of course, this only applies with analogue signals.

TV signals are formated in such a way that the unused scan lines do not contain anything important...like stock tickers, scoreboard overlays, etc. This is all kept in the safe area of the screen, out of the potential overscan region.

Given a digital signal, this becomes moot. The data is no longer presented as a video scan line so there is no danger of it (the data bursts) showing on the screen. The producers / broadcasters could fill that whole signal but then you run into the problem of sets where overscan is a fact of life. You wouldn't want the ticker on CNN cut off on the bottom simply because some sets can display the whole signal. The folks who can't, and they are still the majority, would be looking for heads!

Since these things are designed to watch television / dvds (not desktops), I would guess the manufacturers are not overly concerned with overscan. At least direct view flat panel owners have the option (in most cases) to set up their tvs to "Show me all the dang pixels I paid for!".

Could be worse though....you could be dealing with a plasma that has a funky rectangular pixel layout (like 1024 x 1024 in a 16:9 screen) that gives you Stretch-o-Vision on a pc signal
post #10 of 11
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So alot od LCD have a "Show my damn pixels" option? any recomendations?
post #11 of 11
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and alot of source used on HDTV have no need for overscan: gaming and dvd players have no need of pixels to be pushed off screen. It should be an option. And it doesnt even seem that the amount of overscan is standardized! it seems to range from 3-5% that must be annoying to programers not sure whats a safe area to put things and whats not.
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