The "Official" Denon AVR-3808CI Thread - Page 452

afol....

"I finally found them. They were in the Internet Radio -> Favorites folder. "

It is confusing. Especially when there are two different places "Favorites" is used. The labeling/folder names for the internet radio piece need some attention, that's for sure. Denon has a way to go to address that particular piece in order to make it more user friendly.

Did you do the upgrade (Audyssey dyn. volume + dy. equalizer)? Then your problems maybe due to HDMI CEC functionality that comes with the upgrade, too. This leads to changes in the HDMI TV assignement which are described in the accompanying manual. Maybe you try switching off HDMI CEC first and checking if the problems remain.

JS,
Do we select in setup menu which device is to do the decoding. or does system pick the best automatically? I have Comcast HD DVR. Would the SD programming be better decoded by the Denon, or the Mitsub. WD-73734 DLP? Any way I can tell from the specs?

You can turn video conversion on or off for any input you configured. And you need to select the Denon to do A(nalog) to H(DMI) conversion and/or H to H conversion generally. This setting applies to all inputs. The Denon then cannot further distinguish if it is fed with HD or SD content through a certain input. Thus, your setting for a source would affect every content that is input there.
Of course, if you want to let the Denon do the upscaling and conversion, you ought to specify the native resolution of your display in the Denon's source selection so that the signal will not get processed twice and degrade.
Then, chose which way the result looks best to you.

ES,
I do have the Denon set to A-H and I believe automatic set for the TV native resolution. Which for HDMI is...
60Hz: 480i. 480P, 720P, 1080i.
24 Hz, 30 Hz, 60Hz: 1080P
So does this setting have the Denon doing the conversion?

What setting would I use if I wanted to let the TV do the conversion to compare. Would the best way to compare be on an SD TV channel? I wonder if my current 1909 setting above has the Denon doing the conversion for (SD) DVD's played on my BD55? I do not see any problems, but if anyone has this set up and has a prefered set up, I'd be curious.

Keep a couple things in mind as you go through this exercise. Not only is the TV already upscaling and deinterlacing to 1080p, your Comcast HD DVR can also upscale SD to 1080i as well of course as your BD55 upscaling to 1080p, all three of which will most likely do as good (or better) a job than the Denon will do. Also, the 3808 uses the same video chip as does your 1909 so if you've tried it on the 1909, there's not going to be any difference. IMHO, skip the Denon doing any video processing and let your other components do the job.

JD,
I thought that was what I had heard. Am I correct that the Denon manual as well as Batpig's guide took that into account in their rec. of setting the the 1909 to A-H with conversion set to automatic? Meaning, is this setting, the way to bypass the Denon doing upscaling and letting the Comcast box, TV and BD55 do the upscaling? Will the source device (BD or Comcast box automatically upscale to 1080p, then the TV just says, cool, that's my native, go right on directly through untouched (by TV converter)?

If you're only using HDMI, then AtoH has no effect as it only concerns "analog" to "HDMI" scaling. If you are using component then it should be OFF if you don't want the Denon doing any upscaling. You may have to set the Comcast HD DVR and the BD-55 to whatever resolution you want it to output/upscale to, unless they are able to detect the resolution of your TV in some kind of AUTO mode. It's a matter of preference as to how you do it (the source device or the Denon or the TV), however, whatever you send to the TV is going to be upscaled to 1080p if it's not already 1080p going in.

JD,
sources are all HDMI to 1909, then HDMI to HDTV. I don't have any problems with the PQ, so I will not mess with it.
Thanks

Watch my post get buried by this Mammoth sized thread.

I was also getting the blue screen issue but all I did was unplug all my HDMI cables, perform a soft reboot (Using Master Power button) and then I restarted the receiver. No more blue screen issues but just to be safe, I would recommend you save a backup of your receiver config file and if you have to perform a total reset, you can restore the config settings.

JD,
My Motorola Comcast box defaults to 16:9 & 1080i. So the TV would deinterlace 1080i to 1080P if the 1909 did not do it first. I could not find any reference in the 1909 manual or menus regarding video resolution/conversion. If this relates. in 'Status', 'input' and 'decode' modes are both set to auto.

Also in the BD55 set up, there is a PCM down conversion choice. I'm not sure which applies, but I have had it set to 'ON' (convert to 48Hz). My TV (WD-73734) only mentions 60Hz for digital 640x480 - 1920x1080.

'ON' - Signals are converted to 48Hz (choose when the connected equipment cannot process signals with sampling freq. of 96Hz)
'OFF' - Signals are output at 96Hz (choose when the connected equip. can process signals with sampling freq. of 96Hz.

Thanks

To the folks who own and know....Is the combo deal considered an average deal or a great deal?

I am mainly looking to upgrade to a nice receiver from my cheapo Denon 3802 in a spare room. I already have a Sony S550 but could use another BD player.


Based on some recent pricing I have seen it seems like this may be just an average deal and maybe I should spend $1700 for a better receiver or much less just for the 3800ci.

From what I've seen that sounds like a below average deal.

not bad, I paid $1758 for the same setup from an Authorized dealer and he shipped for free.

I would continue trying to get the receiver on its own for cheaper. Not to long ago 6ave had a sale in which the receiver was $1098 shipped. The receiver isn't getting any newer.

The deal is still available...I just got one yesterday.

I spoke to 6Ave yesterday. That price is still good. Just tell them your are an AVS forum member and you heard they had the best price. The rep will sat, yes it is $X,oxx. Cal for the exact #. You will like it!

Edit: Well that will teach me to reply to a post, go walk the dog, THEN hit send. ;o)

Might this be a hint that Denon is clearing the channel prior to introduction of a revised model?

Dave Ings,
Toronto, Canada

Somebody must know somebody, that knows somebody, who knows a person, that has a cousin, who is really close friends with a marketing guy at Denon, with loose lips!

I doubt it. There has always been at least a few months notice before a new model is released. Though that doesn't mean there will be this time...

OTOH, the 3808 is reportedly the best selling AVR in the world, regardless of price, so from a marketing perspective: what's the hurry to "fix" anything?

I spoke in person with a "authorized" local Denon dealer. He told me there is at least one upper end receiver coming later this year and as of now the model number will be 4310. Don't know much about it but probably will be expensive.

From what you have seen, please advise of an 'average' deal or 'above average' deal for the 3808/2500 combo package. My package is in transit so if I can find a better deal I might consider returning my stuff as soon as I get it...

goodeye,

What are you not seeing in this thread? People have repeatedly in the last few posts stated that they could get the 3808 from 6ave for $1098 SHIPPED. Factor in a 2500 for $489 regular old retail price on 6ave.com and you're still less than $1699. I bet 6ave would take less than $489 on the 2500 if you talked to them.. can't imagine many people are buying those. Anyway you slice it, $1098+$489 is < $1699 already... hence "below average deal."

Why do you want a combo? Take a look at the post just 6 or so prior to this, then look around for the lowest price you can find on the 2500BTCI, it should be around or under $450.

My guess is that Denon views the 3808 + the Feature Pack as a "semi" 3809 so I wouldn't be surprised if another year passes before a new replacement model is released.

Don't know if it is still the same price, but BB had the 2500 for less than what you have quoted.

Is anyone using the 3808ci with NHT Classic Three's up front. If so, do feel the receiver has enough power to drive them without over extending? Do you like the sound quality? Other issues?

You mean under $450?

True, but in Australia the RRP (Recommended Retail Price; same as MSRP I think) was increased by a few hundred AUD.


Do you have any web links or articles that have reported this (or is a comment from Denon or Denon re-seller)?

blairy

I got the part about 6th Ave having a great deal. I just thought that since he didn't throw out any numbers maybe he saw the combo for $1300 or so. Rest assured I'll be on the phone today with 6th Ave trying to get that deal. I don't really care about the Blu-ray player but all the PRINT ads show $1699 with a "free" 2500 Blu-ray player so I thought I was getting a great deal. Even 6th Ave shows the combo at $2298. If I get the $1098 deal or anything close, I'm in...