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post #14971 of 19878
6/8/09 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by neonflx View Post

need help
i upgraded the firmware on my 3808ci and it went ok
then i purchased the features package follow the instructions but is been updating for hours now
the screens says

main firm 1/14
updating 00%

any suggestions? thanks

Official firmware trqacking thread for the denon AVR's

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=995566
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post #14972 of 19878
6/8/09 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by liquidmetal View Post

Batpig, do you recommend matrix or plIIx for 7.1 with 5.1 source? or true 5.1 with SBs unused?

personal preference, totally up to you. I don't even have surrounds, I just read stuff on the internet
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post #14973 of 19878
6/8/09 at 3:57pm
anyone else?
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post #14974 of 19878
6/8/09 at 6:20pm
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Originally Posted by blairy View Post

A quick trawl thru the thread will reveal this is a somewhat common problem. Many set top boxes seem to have hdmi handshake issues with the 3808. Unless your box outputs video at 1080p (most don't) you'll lose nothing in terms of quality by connecting your box to the avr via component and digital (optical or spdif). The avr can pass the video as hdmi signal to you tv.

Good Luck

I've used over a dozen HDMI ST boxes with my 3808 with no handshake issues
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post #14975 of 19878
6/8/09 at 11:07pm
aaronwt, you and your 10 (more?) perfectly functioning HDMI devices are truly a blessed miracle, but not much consolation to those who do experience the pitfalls of this poorly thought through standard...
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post #14976 of 19878
6/8/09 at 11:25pm
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Originally Posted by liquidmetal View Post

anyone else?

PLIIx ... nothing to lose here.
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post #14977 of 19878
6/9/09 at 12:39am
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Originally Posted by blairy View Post

Official firmware trqacking thread for the denon AVR's

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=995566

thanks i got it fix
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post #14978 of 19878
6/9/09 at 4:57am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

aaronwt, you and your 10 (more?) perfectly functioning HDMI devices are truly a blessed miracle, but not much consolation to those who do experience the pitfalls of this poorly thought through standard...

Has it been determined that the 3808 is actually to blame for the devices that do not handshake well?
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post #14979 of 19878
6/9/09 at 5:47am
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Originally Posted by earcotton View Post

Has it been determined that the 3808 is actually to blame for the devices that do not handshake well?

No idea. I run devices through multiple HDMI splitters, several HDMI switches, an Algolith HDMI Flea and a DVDO EDGE before going to my 3808. But in my setup, the only problem I've encountered was with my FIOS STB and that was from a connectgear HDMI switch not the 3808. I just moved my switches around so the monoprice switch was on the FIOS HD STB and it was fine.
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post #14980 of 19878
6/9/09 at 7:23am
well the problem seems to have gone away. Generally in the past when this stuff happens I keep taking the boxes back to the comcast store and getting new ones until I get one that works.
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post #14981 of 19878
6/9/09 at 7:44am
Could somebody please help me out and explain how to disable the scaler and upscaling on my 3808, I don't want it interfering with my Oppo. The only option I can find is "video convert" which can be turned on/off for different inputs.

Thank you very much,
Cam
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post #14982 of 19878
6/9/09 at 7:54am
That should be the setting.
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post #14983 of 19878
6/9/09 at 7:57am
No, video convert is for converting analog to hdmi, I think. You can turn this off on a digital source
with no ramifications.

You want to turn the i/p scaler off.

manual setup -> hdmi setup -> i/p scaler
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post #14984 of 19878
6/9/09 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by Quadcam99 View Post

Could somebody please help me out and explain how to disable the scaler and upscaling on my 3808, I don't want it interfering with my Oppo. The only option I can find is "video convert" which can be turned on/off for different inputs.

Thank you very much,
Cam

QC99.....is your name Cam?


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post #14985 of 19878
6/9/09 at 8:53am
Those of you sitting on the fence about purchasing the 3808 may want to act soon. I finally pulled the trigger ($980 from 6th Ave. using their "Name Your Price"). I was hoping for further price reductions (mister cheapo here), but instead I'm seeing that the dealers are running out of them (just this morning Vann's listed it as "no longer available", and Crutchfield only has open box versions left). And with the Audyssey Feature upgrade "date hack" still apparently working though perhaps not beyond June 30th....
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post #14986 of 19878
6/9/09 at 9:06am
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Originally Posted by liquidmetal View Post

anyone else?

Greetings!
I have done alot of research and testing since going to 7.1 a few months ago. I have found PLIIx to be best for me, since it applies steering logic to the 2 rears, not just copies the surrounds like matrix...
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post #14987 of 19878
6/9/09 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by earcotton View Post

Has it been determined that the 3808 is actually to blame for the devices that do not handshake well?

no, the blame is probably with cable boxes. but it's hard to pin the blame on anything precisely, it's can occur with the right combination of HDMI devices and various splitters/switchers. 90% of the complaints on forums are about cable boxes though. I will also occasionally lose sync with my HD DVD player when switching discs but that's rare...

but, more broadly, my point was that the REAL blame lies with the HDMI standard and how it has been hamstrung by all the digital copyrights protection and multiple versions.

aaronwt's setup with 10+ HDMI devices, networked through a maze of splittes/switchers, all working flawlessly, is truly an inspiration for all of us though I mean, the 3808CI is what, 2.5 years old? The fact that he's already had over a DOZEN HD cable boxes just brings a smile to my face....
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post #14988 of 19878
6/9/09 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by liquidmetal View Post

No, video convert is for converting analog to hdmi, I think. You can turn this off on a digital source
with no ramifications.

You want to turn the i/p scaler off.

manual setup -> hdmi setup -> i/p scaler

this is correct, VIDEO CONVERSION ON/OFF is for enabling cross-conversion of video formats.

the I/P SCALER setting is for enabling the scaler. AFAIK it's a separate chip from the format conversion.

So, for example, you could have Video Conversion "ON" and I/P Scaler "OFF" and still convert analog to HDMI, but the scaler would be bypassed so it would go out via HDMI at the same resolution it came in.

For an all-digital input (HDMI in/out) I disable BOTH the I/P Scaler and Video Conversion, just in case...
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post #14989 of 19878
6/9/09 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

no, there is only a global "restore" function which will put EVERYTHING back at the Audyssey defaults. you can't just restore one specific surround mode...

Yeah, that's kinda what I figured, thanks.
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post #14990 of 19878
6/9/09 at 12:25pm
What are people's thoughts on after market power cables for your AVR?

I am looking at getting a Panamax 5300ex or APC HP10 and thought I read somewhere that some folks upgrade that power cable as well.

What are the benefits of doing this?
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post #14991 of 19878
6/9/09 at 12:32pm
the benefits are that the scam artist selling the cable gets a big wad of your money.

oh wait, do you mean the benefits for you?
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post #14992 of 19878
6/9/09 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

the benefits are that the scam artist selling the cable gets a big wad of your money.

oh wait, do you mean the benefits for you?

Good one

Beyond them getting my hard earned money. Is there an acoustical, electrical, whateverical benefit to them?
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post #14993 of 19878
6/9/09 at 12:49pm
there will most certainly be ZERO acoustical benefit. fancy power cords are "snake oil" of the highest degree.
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post #14994 of 19878
6/9/09 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

there will most certainly be ZERO acoustical benefit. fancy power cords are "snake oil" of the highest degree.

There is one member here who will argue that and give some real scientific reasons why that _might_ not always be true. I haven't ever been able to get him to categorically state that there is a realizable benefit, but there can be a difference at least in theory. However, that's not to say any high priced power cord is even implemented in a way to properly realize these theoretical benefits. Personally, I've got a dozen other things to spend my money on first...
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post #14995 of 19878
6/9/09 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by Nurn View Post

Not sure what you mean by the "net",

The Net/USB input. The Denon won't play videos directly from your computer, but of course if you play them with your PS3 it won't matter.
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post #14996 of 19878
6/9/09 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by liquidmetal View Post

No, video convert is for converting analog to hdmi, I think. You can turn this off on a digital source
with no ramifications.

You want to turn the i/p scaler off.

manual setup -> hdmi setup -> i/p scaler

I was going from memory which was obviously wrong. I rarely go to either of those settings since I use an external scaler and don't use any analog inputs.
Sorry about that.
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post #14997 of 19878
6/9/09 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

no, there is only a global "restore" function which will put EVERYTHING back at the Audyssey defaults. you can't just restore one specific surround mode...

FYI for anyone else using a Pronto - I added a button to send commands via TCP/IP to set each channel level to the desired value. (You could do the same with RS232 if you have the extender.) Works very nicely. Just need to update the values in the Pronto if you re-run Audyssey.

Still, seems like this would be an obvious feature to have built in.
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post #14998 of 19878
6/9/09 at 4:44pm
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Originally Posted by scientest View Post

There is one member here who will argue that and give some real scientific reasons why that _might_ not always be true. I haven't ever been able to get him to categorically state that there is a realizable benefit, but there can be a difference at least in theory. However, that's not to say any high priced power cord is even implemented in a way to properly realize these theoretical benefits. Personally, I've got a dozen other things to spend my money on first...

Think of it this way. There are probably Kilometers/Miles of cable between the power station and your house, then there is meters and meters of cable from your meter box to your amp, how is that last 1.5 meters of cable going to have any noticeable difference.

As others have said, it will make NO difference what-so-ever (other than to your wallet).
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post #14999 of 19878
6/9/09 at 4:48pm
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Originally Posted by grantb3 View Post

...*So does anyone have a good recommendation for a decent remote?? I understand the supplier one (two) is (are) crap. Preferably something <$200.

I too would recommend a Harmony remote. It is the best compromise between flexibility and ease-of-setup. It's only major shortcoming is that the programmable "soft" buttons don't allow for "macros" (i.e., multiple commands sent to multiple devices) - you need to do this by selecting a different "activity". For example, my 1st gen Sony HDTV requires a convoluted menu penetration session to switch between 16:9 and 4:3 DVD viewing, so I had to set up a "Watch DVD" activity and a "16:9 DVD" activity (which totally confuses my wife). OTOH the Pronto that I owned before the Harmony was way more flexible (i.e., you could add a soft button that would issue the macro for switching between 16:9 and 4:3, which was only slightly less confusing to my wife). HOWEVER, the Pronto was an evil, never-ending computer programming project that sucked me in like a black hole.
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post #15000 of 19878
6/9/09 at 4:57pm
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Originally Posted by av-ra View Post

I too would recommend a Harmony remote. It is the best compromise between flexibility and ease-of-setup. It's only major shortcoming is that the programmable "soft" buttons don't allow for "macros" (i.e., multiple commands sent to multiple devices) - you need to do this by selecting a different "activity". For example, my 1st gen Sony HDTV requires a convoluted menu penetration session to switch between 16:9 and 4:3 DVD viewing, so I had to set up a "Watch DVD" activity and a "16:9 DVD" activity (which totally confuses my wife). OTOH the Pronto that I owned before the Harmony was way more flexible (i.e., you could add a soft button that would issue the macro for switching between 16:9 and 4:3, which was only slightly less confusing to my wife). HOWEVER, the Pronto was an evil, never-ending computer programming project that sucked me in like a black hole.

I have read good things about the URC Digital R50. I just picked one up yesterday at Fry's and will test it out over the weekend. May be an option for you.
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