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post #16441 of 19885
11/22/09 at 1:57am
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Originally Posted by blairy View Post

Streaming music from my PC has always been a little hit and miss for me. Sometimes it works and sometimes it just doesn't want to know me. When it works it's great, but the one feature I'd really love is streaming my music from PC and having the Denon play tracks randomly from all over my music collection.

This can be done via USB but the Denon won't do it via ethernet. Lots of posts to this effect...

Er, Blairy, perhaps you missed the post where I found the fix to let the Denon successfully play tracks streamed from a PC. The trick is to add a rule to your router's firewall to prevent the Denon from accessing the Rhapsody servers. See this blog post for more info. As I note in an update to the blog post, Denon released a firmware update on Octber 15 2009, which may have been designed to address this problem.

These days, I'm happily using the "Play To" feature in the Windows 7 Windows Media Player to stream music stored on my Windows Home Server to my Denon. It's so much easier to use this than battle with the dreadful and slow GUI menu navigation on the Denon itself.
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post #16442 of 19885
11/22/09 at 7:04am
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Originally Posted by k3fallout View Post

Thanks for the suggestion. Yesterday I couldn't wait and I feel a bit more clear about what I'm doing(so, that post was mostly a rant). I pushed the gain back about 10 'o clock and recalibrated. The channel level given by the calibration was -2dB, so I was happy. I used the preview of Transformers on the Star Trek blu ray to check for bass level and popping. Luckily, there was no popping so I was extremely happy. However, due to preference, I still want more punch from the bass(or I want to feel it a bit more.). Or atleast, I really think my subwoofer is capable of doing more. Does changing the subwoofer level in EXT. IN actually do anything? I have a feeling it will only have an effect based on how the sub is hooked, and all I did was hook up the sub with a coaxial cable to the SW input on the receiver. According to batpig, it only applies to multichannel analog inputs.. which I'm not sure if I have.

Additionally, I partially understand about the whole LFE crossover thing. I didn't know I was supposed to set it to advanced to see it and to set it specifically for each speaker. Initially I set it to 80hz, but I changed it to advanced then changed it to : Front L/R: 80hz, center: 60hz, rear L/R: 80hz, and LFE: 120hz.

Also, I've been playing around with the channel level to get any more bass, so I set it to 0dB. However, from 0 to maybe -1dB I still get the popping. So right now, it's at -1.5dB.

Overall, I'm pretty sure no one is really answering me because no one can fathom how much of an idiot I am with this. Or perhaps, I'm just biting off more than I can chew and should just leave everything to Audyssey.

First: LFE is Low Frequency Effects. It should be set to 120 and left alone. It is the EFFECTS channel only there is no reason for the AVR to even have an adjustment for it besides to confuse people. It has nothing to do with the re-direction of bass from your speakers to the sub. That setting is the speaker cross-over.

Second: if you are setting your sub channel above what the auto-setup is determining and the amount of bass you are getting from the sub is not what you prefer and your sub is distorting or clipping then it sounds like your sub can't handle your preference.
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post #16443 of 19885
11/22/09 at 10:12am
K3

The subwoofer level in EXT In is used when you are connected via the multichannel analog inputs to your bluray player and such. If you are using HDMI or Toslink, then that setting is not of any use. I dont remember your mentioning using the EXT.IN on your Denon. Are you? If so, then using your last Audyssey calibration is fine. However make sure that the EXT.IN subwoofer setting is at least + 10db (for your preferences, maybe +15)

Steve
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post #16444 of 19885
11/22/09 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by sbaqar View Post

Lately whenever I try to watch any cable channel the picture comes and goes every few seconds - the TV screen turns black for few seconds and the after few seconds the picture comes back on again. This contionously repeats regardless of what channel I'm watching.

Both my HDTV and HD cable box are coonected to Denon receiver via HDMI. The one end of HMDI is connected to HDMI 1 of my HDTV and the other end is connected to the "out monitor" in the Denon receiver. My HD cable box is also connected via HDMI - one end of the HDMI cable goes to the back of the cable box and the other end into the TV/Cable HDMI in the receiver.

I don't have any problems when I watch DVD on my Blu-ray DVD player or play games on XBOX 360. Both these units are also connected to Denon receiver via HDMI cable.

As a test I have hooked my HD cable box directly to my HDTV and I didn't encounter any problem. Thus I'm assuming the problem is within the receiver. I have also tried using different HDMI inputs on the receiver but every HDMI input results in the same problem - the picture comes and goes every few seconds.

I had the above settings since I bought the Denon receiver in August 2008. The above described issue occured couple of months ago.

Please help.


IMO, there is ZERO benefit to connecting the STB's via HDMI. Well, that's not true, you get to deal with just one cable with HDMI

Cables boxes just don't play nice with many many receivers. It's not just Denon. Lot of TVs have problems with AVRs as well. I had enough of it and switched to component/optical on the cable boxes. No more frustrating HDMI glitches.
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post #16445 of 19885
11/22/09 at 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by hansangb View Post

IMO, there is ZERO benefit to connecting the STB's via HDMI. Well, that's not true, you get to deal with just one cable with HDMI

Cables boxes just don't play nice with many many receivers. It's not just Denon. Lot of TVs have problems with AVRs as well. I had enough of it and switched to component/optical on the cable boxes. No more frustrating HDMI glitches.

So, you don't think this is an AVR issue? I'll try connecting my cable box to the receiver via component/optical cables instead of HDMI cables. Will let you know what happens.
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post #16446 of 19885
11/22/09 at 8:06pm
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Originally Posted by captavs View Post

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post16809715

This is re: SIRIUS

It turns out that the Pro kit does not come with a 232C cable. I ultimately determined that trying to use Sirius with this receiver is too much of a kludge; it was made for XM and you'd be much better off just getting a compatible XM tuner for it if you want satellite radio. There was no good way to connect a non-Pro kit, and the Pro kit only comes with an outdoor antenna, and I didn't feel like drilling through walls.
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post #16447 of 19885
11/23/09 at 5:04pm
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"An incompatible audio signal has been received. Check the output audio device settings."

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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Welcome Daddy-Yankee, I have never heard of this being a problem with Denon or PS3. I would think it have something to do with your Tv or monitor that is being connected to. Try to disable the Tv volume or lower it to zero or try muting it and see if that helps. What type of Tv or monitor are you connected to?

I get this message with my Sharp LCD and an Onkyo (haven't tried the TV with the Denon) put I suspect it's a s Sharp created problem (found posts online from folks getting this with Sharp connected to their PC)

The only way I could correct was to disable audio (obviously not even an acceptable workaround)
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post #16448 of 19885
11/23/09 at 8:27pm
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Originally Posted by BeckMule View Post

This is re: SIRIUS

It turns out that the Pro kit does not come with a 232C cable. I ultimately determined that trying to use Sirius with this receiver is too much of a kludge; it was made for XM and you'd be much better off just getting a compatible XM tuner for it if you want satellite radio. There was no good way to connect a non-Pro kit, and the Pro kit only comes with an outdoor antenna, and I didn't feel like drilling through walls.

Did you use the Sirius kit SCHDOC1P? Did you install the feature pack from Denon? According to the Sirius compatibity chart on Denons site there are two different versions of a compatible home kit, one has RS232, the other has a mini connector. I really didnt want to have to go this route, I was just hoping I could stream it from the internet. I found a previous post where the user was able to do this using the uSirius program, but I dont think uSirius is available anymore. See mindbender9 post#7675. I was hoping to not have to purchase additional HW, and just stream Sirius from the internet.
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post #16449 of 19885
11/24/09 at 11:06am
I am sorry guys I searched but could not find the answer on my own. Is anyone Using the radioDenon to set up your Pandora stations so that the 3808 can play them. That to me is the ultimate use of the Network access feature on this 3808.

Is that possible? How can i get there fporm here? Any hep is appreciated
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post #16450 of 19885
11/25/09 at 6:22am
I am looking at getting a 3 channel amp. But now thinking of getting a 5 channel and running my surround back with the other 2. Question is if I do this and assign the surround back amps in the denon to zone 2 will it still output the surrund back channel to the amp or will it just think I have 5.1 disable the back 2?

The reason I want to do this it will allow me to remove my 2807 which currently is powering zone 2
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post #16451 of 19885
11/25/09 at 9:48am
I believe if you are running 7.1 you must use an external amp for Zone 2.
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post #16452 of 19885
11/25/09 at 10:07am
Thanks batpig. I was hoping someone would know. I will test it out using the 2807 for surround back and see if it works and post back for the next guy with the same question.
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post #16453 of 19885
11/25/09 at 10:50am
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Originally Posted by AZuToo View Post

I am sorry guys I searched but could not find the answer on my own. Is anyone Using the radioDenon to set up your Pandora stations so that the 3808 can play them. That to me is the ultimate use of the Network access feature on this 3808.

Is that possible? How can i get there fporm here? Any hep is appreciated

Never heard of Pandora before today. Look's alittle similar to Rhapsody but I notice a problem with Pandora thru a computer. Seems you can't leave it play w/o it seeing some kind of keyboard/mouse activity before it stops playing. Popup screen comes up and it's required to click on something to resume play. Don't know how that would work thru a HT system. Interesting though. I can't get Rhapsody to work like I want and am looking for a alternative.
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post #16454 of 19885
11/25/09 at 11:50am
wdtv live has pandora i believe (i have it, but dont use pandora)
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post #16455 of 19885
11/25/09 at 7:24pm
I had reqested Denon service about how to get the NAS music files to be reloaded - no help. So this was my solution:
Save configuration (use the web interface)
Turn of the NAS
Reboot the Denon - (small power button + [up] and [down] arrows)
For good measure, I re-booted it again using the power button and the first two small buttons on the left in the fron panel. I've read instructions for both - they seem to act the same, but for good measure . . .
Turn on the NAS
Wait. You can turn off the Denon, and as long as the option for "network power save" is OFF, it will continue to load.

Simple - I wonder why they couldn't have told me?
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post #16456 of 19885
11/26/09 at 3:15am
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Originally Posted by rotohead View Post

Never heard of Pandora before today. Look's alittle similar to Rhapsody but I notice a problem with Pandora thru a computer. Seems you can't leave it play w/o it seeing some kind of keyboard/mouse activity before it stops playing. Popup screen comes up and it's required to click on something to resume play. Don't know how that would work thru a HT system. Interesting though. I can't get Rhapsody to work like I want and am looking for a alternative.

I play Pandora on the Denon using a Mac with AirFoil and PandoraBoy (requires AirTunes to be set up). Works great. I am not aware of the mouse-click issue, unless it is something new they started.
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post #16457 of 19885
11/26/09 at 6:28am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I believe if you are running 7.1 you must use an external amp for Zone 2.

Confirmed! Even when using the pre out to power the surround backs when you switch the 3808 from 7.1 to Zone 2 for the surround backs amp the unit stops sending audio to the pre outs.
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post #16458 of 19885
11/26/09 at 12:32pm
I have a Notebook, and connected to it through USB is an M-AUDIO Fast Track Pro (see http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-001-_-Product) I use it now to use the foobar2000 music program to play through my external computer speakers.

The Fast Track Pro has a left/right Output. Can I connect it to my 3808CI so that I can play foobar2000 from my Notebook through the 3808CI? If so, where on the 3808CI would I connect it to? Thanks.
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post #16459 of 19885
11/27/09 at 12:33am
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Originally Posted by gcoupe View Post

Er, Blairy, perhaps you missed the post where I found the fix to let the Denon successfully play tracks streamed from a PC. The trick is to add a rule to your router's firewall to prevent the Denon from accessing the Rhapsody servers. See this blog post for more info. As I note in an update to the blog post, Denon released a firmware update on Octber 15 2009, which may have been designed to address this problem.

These days, I'm happily using the "Play To" feature in the Windows 7 Windows Media Player to stream music stored on my Windows Home Server to my Denon. It's so much easier to use this than battle with the dreadful and slow GUI menu navigation on the Denon itself.

You're right I would have missed that post. In Australia we don't get Rhapsody so I tend to skip posts referring to it. Funny that this works after firmware update (for me too) which may have fixed Rhapsody which I don't get. Wonder if receiver was looking rhapsody servers even though I can't use rhapsody

Windows 7 play to sounds fantastic, still stuck on Vista at the moment.

Thanks again
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post #16460 of 19885
11/27/09 at 6:50pm
Denon 3808 playing Windows media player playlists via network.
Major gaps of 2 seconds between songs - very annoying since songs on many of my CDs are designed to run together (think Buddha Bar or Pink Floyd The Wall - yes I have have eclectic tastes).

Tried Twonky so don't send me there. I recently started linking MP3s together using an editing program - but that is taking forever - is there any solution?


Thanks

Paul
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post #16461 of 19885
11/27/09 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by pgore View Post

Denon 3808 playing Windows media player playlists via network.
Major gaps of 2 seconds between songs - very annoying since songs on many of my CDs are designed to run together (think Buddha Bar or Pink Floyd The Wall - yes I have have eclectic tastes).

Tried Twonky so don't send me there. I recently started linking MP3s together using an editing program - but that is taking forever - is there any solution?


Thanks

Paul

PS3 Media Server

Official Site...

http://ps3mediaserver.blogspot.com/

Download Latest Stable version...

http://ps3mediaserver.org/forum/view...php?f=2&t=1007

Latest Beta version (what I currently use)...

http://ps3mediaserver.org/forum/view...php?f=2&t=3217

There isn't anything that this software won't stream (in my experience). You don't need a PS3. Don't let the name fool you.
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post #16462 of 19885
11/28/09 at 7:13am
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Originally Posted by counsil View Post

PS3 Media Server

Official Site...

http://ps3mediaserver.blogspot.com/

Download Latest Stable version...

http://ps3mediaserver.org/forum/view...php?f=2&t=1007

Latest Beta version (what I currently use)...

http://ps3mediaserver.org/forum/view...php?f=2&t=3217

There isn't anything that this software won't stream (in my experience). You don't need a PS3. Don't let the name fool you.



Thanks - I downloaded, installed, and started this service. The Good News: Denon 3808 recognized the media server service immediately (after full power-down and restart of AVR). The Bad News - shared a series of songs that are designed to have no gap between them and still got a noticable - and annoying gap between songs.

I think this is an issue with Denon and not the server side.
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post #16463 of 19885
11/28/09 at 9:06am
Downloaded, installed, and started PS3 service. Denon recognized server immediately (after total Denon shutdown and restart).... but alas - gaps remain between songs.

I know you can burn DVDs with mp3 (sans gap) so I started that - only to find out that my Sony DVD player was the last model to be built without MP3 DVD recognition.

Eight grand worth of AV equipment - go figure

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post #16464 of 19885
11/28/09 at 10:06am
Try TVersity. On my set up the response to controls and the gaps are smaller than even playing off usb. still there but less.
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post #16465 of 19885
11/28/09 at 11:31am
Thanks - I tried TVersity - the gaps are still there but smaller - I think I am going to spend the time to cross fade all the party music and make some large mp3s (with fade in and out as needed to keep file sizes managable) and transitions smooth - perhaps in 10 or 20 years Denon will have figured out how to cache the next file in sequence and fade in and out for us.


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post #16466 of 19885
11/29/09 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by Perch33 View Post

Did you use the Sirius kit SCHDOC1P? Did you install the feature pack from Denon? According to the Sirius compatibity chart on Denons site there are two different versions of a compatible home kit, one has RS232, the other has a mini connector. I really didnt want to have to go this route, I was just hoping I could stream it from the internet. I found a previous post where the user was able to do this using the uSirius program, but I dont think uSirius is available anymore. See mindbender9 post#7675. I was hoping to not have to purchase additional HW, and just stream Sirius from the internet.

Perch,it's been a while since I looked into it and I don't have a totally clear recollection of everything at this point, but yes, I have the Sirius feature pack upgrade and at the time I went through the Sirius/Denon compatibility chart and spent a lot of time on the phone with both Denon and Sirius, and ultimately concluded that it would not work for me because of the need to install an outdoor antenna (which would have been required with the compatible unit that allowed for viewing information on the TV screen). The SCHDOC1P may be compatible, but my recollection is that it does NOT have an RS232 jack and therefore you cannot view/change channels or get any info on the TV monitor (just on the Sirius unit). Also, the mini plug does not work for Sirius, only for XM. So there were drawbacks and limitations on each available option which led me to conclude that Sirius and my 3808 were just not meant to be. I only wanted Sirius to listen to Stern anyway, and this can be accomplished by listening online and sending the audio signal from the computer to the Denon with a single cable.
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post #16467 of 19885
11/29/09 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by BeckMule View Post

Perch,it's been a while since I looked into it and I don't have a totally clear recollection of everything at this point, but yes, I have the Sirius feature pack upgrade and at the time I went through the Sirius/Denon compatibility chart and spent a lot of time on the phone with both Denon and Sirius, and ultimately concluded that it would not work for me because of the need to install an outdoor antenna (which would have been required with the compatible unit that allowed for viewing information on the TV screen). The SCHDOC1P may be compatible, but my recollection is that it does NOT have an RS232 jack and therefore you cannot view/change channels or get any info on the TV monitor (just on the Sirius unit). Also, the mini plug does not work for Sirius, only for XM. So there were drawbacks and limitations on each available option which led me to conclude that Sirius and my 3808 were just not meant to be. I only wanted Sirius to listen to Stern anyway, and this can be accomplished by listening online and sending the audio signal from the computer to the Denon with a single cable.

Is there a website available to get Sirius from?
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post #16468 of 19885
11/29/09 at 3:17pm
Just wondering when we will see new receivers from Denon or a site with what models are coming?
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post #16469 of 19885
11/29/09 at 9:35pm
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Originally Posted by thebesthereis View Post

Is there a website available to get Sirius from?

If you have a regular subscription you can listen online for free (or for a small additional monthly fee).
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post #16470 of 19885
11/30/09 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by BMLocal175 View Post

Just wondering when we will see new receivers from Denon or a site with what models are coming?

the new models come out in the summer. I think the "10" models (the current lineup) actually hit stores in May/June this past year, so don't expect any announcements on new models for a few more months.

also note that Denon tends not to update their "higher end" models every year, so don't necessarily expect a replacement for the 4310CI and 4810CI this coming year. However, as with the 3808CI, they are firmware upgradeable so they could potentially be updated with new features.
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