The "Official" Denon AVR-3808CI Thread - Page 599

No I have not had that problem. What disc was giving you the problem? Have you tried the BDP-83 forum? They are pretty active.

Well, nobody has mentioned it in the BDP-83 forum, but I'll check around again. Nor in ANY of the reviews for the BD, so I'll say it's not the BD itself. There *is* the possibility that somehow the BDP-83 "loses" the problem when converting the bitstream to LPCM. I won't lose any sleep over it, just thought it might have been something others had experienced. The last FW update of the 3808 seemed to be a bit "dubious", but I have played plenty of TrueHD tracks since and this is the first anomaly.

I don't think I've upgraded to the latest fw on the 3808. I have been going with the "if it ain't broke..." theory. I decided to only upgrade when there is a real benefit.

There use to be issues with the 3808 Decoding early on. Dark City was bad.
The new firmware resolved all this. I have actually witnessed this.
With the new firmware everything has been great for me.

Ta

Dono

I realize we were just discussing the EXT. IN's lack of Audyssey interference, but I'm really curious now as my SACD player only has mirrored distance settings and my rears are pretty far from mirror distances:

Do the Speaker Distance settings (I'm suppose another term would be delay) remain active in the processing of the EXT. IN inputs? I reread the entire manual last night and couldn't find anything regarding this; but perhaps I overlooked something. It sounds in multichannel music listening to me like they do, but I can't be certain.

p.s. To chime in on the other discussion regarding firmware, I updated to the April version (latest) back in April and haven't had a hiccup in bluray playback or any other way since.

Yes, I haven't had any issues with decoding either. It's just that some things were "upgraded" to worse than before with the last FW. So there's always potentially new issues to arise with stuff that was previously OK whenever FW changes...that's where I was coming from. I've been running the newest FW since the day it was released BTW (silly me, I should know better).

I can't comment on some things getting worse with updates.
I have your setup Oppo 83 into 3808.
I haven't come across a issue in ages. Just the Dark city one 18 months ago. The update fixed that.
My 3808 has done nothing wrong since that update.
However I use mine very basicaly. No BD live setup on PS3 or Oppo. No internet radio on 3808 (I can't be bothered).
Just Oppo, PS3, iPod and Denon Dvd 3930 into the 3808. That's all, Not even TV.
Everything works a charm.

Ta

Dono

Can you tell me the title you are having problems with? I could test.

Have you cleared all the data in peristant storage on the Oppo? This is a notorious issue and easy fix.

Has the Oppo got the latest update?

Ta

Dono

^ Yeah, both the Oppo and Denon are up to date re FW. It is not a recent title, so isn't a regular playability issue that persistent storage affects...those usually apparently happen at the beginning of the BD, for the Oppo anyway, and in fact I've never had a BD I couldn't play because I'm always way behind everybody else in watching stuff so the FW has caught up.

I hope you are fortunate enough to NOT have the BD in question. If I told you the title, you might say I would have been better off if it didn't play at all. That's why I'm not worried about it, besides that it works perfectly in LPCM mode.

Oh yeah, it was the internet radio/net stuff where I noticed what seemed to be steps backward with the last FW. I can get by though.

^^^^^^

Which BD is it?

Sex and the city or Bedtime Stories???

Ta

Dono

hi guys, is there a significant difference between the denon 3808 processing vs emotiva UMC 1?

Thank you,

I just upgraded from a UMC-1 to a Denon 3808. Massive improvements. No bugs that I can't deal with. I love this upgrade!

IBJamon

speaker distances/delays are NOT applied to the EXT IN inputs. These inputs are never digitized, and delays are applied in the digital realm.

the only setting that applies to the EXT IN inputs are volumes (e.g. master volume or individual speaker channel levels). Any distance/delay settings and bass management need to be done in the source (player).

sounds like it's time for a new universal player that can do SACD over HDMI

Thanks, Batpig. This is exactly what I needed to know. I suppose I can at least set the settings per my user manual for the non-mirrored rears (nearest).

Would that I had the scratch to lay out on a new universal, but for now I really like my budget 5-disc SACD changer (Sony SCD-CE595). I suppose I'll get some audible benefits by streaming DSD directly to the 3808ci, though (over the three lower end Burr-Browns in the Sony, 1 per 2 channels).

Any of my fellow 3808ci peeps and multi-channel music enthusiasts have recommendations for universals with HDMI out (for DSD) that'll do SACD justice (and DVD-A if possible)? I'm sure I'm about to hear Oppo at least 15 times... (if you're going to recommend one that's also an upscaler, Reon is my preference, but for all I know they could have Anchor Bay chips in players now; I haven't done my homework as I just got the bad news).

Nah, it is The Invention of Lying; the prob starts with a blip (dropout) in the TrueHD track at 20:58 which sends whatever into some kind of losing sync (I suspect) such that I get loud "white noise". Being a comedy, and not a very good one for most of it, using LPCM makes little diff. I wouldn't have even noticed if I had been playing it in my (fat) PS3...

I *do* have the SATC BD but have never watched it.

Got it for my wife for X-mas when she got me the PS3 (trying to entice her into the technology). The PQ almost makes it watchable, but it's still miles off from my taste.

Hi,

If somebody from Denon staff is reading this tread, could you please tell us when is planed the next firmware upgrade ?
I would like to know if you have possibility to integrated Neural surround for 3808A version like it is done for 3808CI version.

It is very difficult to find European Denon contact to get answer, so please I am waiting to answer from you.

In France, since Neural Surround is avalaible on Numeric TV broadcast, we are wainting for this codec. In French homecinema formum, people are waiting to know the date of this uprgade.

Denon for you 100 years birthday, please do effort for your customers, AVR3808A is not a low series and we are waiting for quality and reactivity from you.

Sad to say the Twighlight series is about the only thing that gets my wife into blu-ray. At least the new movie will be watchable when the vampires and wolves rip off some heads

Ta

Dono

Just tried Invention of Lying. Never seen it before and fast forwarded through it to get to the 20 minute mark stopping quite a few times on the way. Mostly dialogue up to that point.

At or very near the mark you mention the sound does ramp up quite a bit (relative to this movie's soundtrack anyway).

No issues when I played it but I'm guessing it's something to do with the sudden volume increase causing you grief.

cheers
blairy

I had sync issues with Kick-Ass. Hitting pause, then play solved it. Had to do that twice. Blu-Ray player is an oppo bd-83.

FYI,

That sync issue is with the oppo, when paused for more than 30 sec, buffer overrun causes syn issue, pause and play clears buffer.

Yes, that is pretty much the movie's only dramatic sound effect. So you can imagine the first time I watched it, and in the middle of that volume ramp-up the sound changed to loud white noise...I didn't know if it was supposed to sound like that or not, but after about a minute of it I caught on...

Maybe I'll exchange the disc, it looks fine and plays in LPCM fine, but if others with the 3808 and/or the BDP-83 don't notice the prob, then it must be a faulty disc after all.

Thanks for checking it out. Actually, the first 1/2 hour is vintage Office-style Gervais so is pretty good. It's the last 1/2 hour that I could barely stomach...

Here is my setup: Denon and Directv receiver are in one room. I have the RF directv remote. My zone 2 is in another room and there is a tv in that room. I can control my tv and change channels with my directv remote. Here is my issue: When I control volume, it is really just changing the volume for the main room. What I need is to control the zone two volume with my directv remote. Is there a way to do that?

Can your Directv remote learn codes?
If so grab the second remote, make sure the Zone 2 light up the top is on and then teach your remote whatever codes you want.
I did this with Harmony remote. works perfect.

Ta

Dono

Point of clarification...I'm not using an Oppo BD player.

I'm in Australia and recently picked up a cheapie BD player, brand Allure for about AUD96 (roughly (USD85).

Do you have another BD player (or access to one) that you could also test this on.

Aplogies if I've caused any confusion.

blairy

I don't think so, but I agree you need to find out if the DTV RC can be e programmed to control additional components. I doubt the DTV STB has an IR out, but just make sure. That small Denon RC is designed for zone 2 audio, and an IR extender would be the cheapest solution, if you can run a new cable. A more expensive solution would be a new RF RC, e.g. Harmony RF for z2.

I had the same issue

No, you didn't cause any confusion (to me), I didn't assume you had an Oppo. Besides the PS3 (mine only does LPCM output), I *do* have another cheapie BDP that bitstreams (that I got for its region-free ability). It's in another system hooked directly to a TV, not suitable for testing "the problem" the way it's set up.

But...I just found out that occasional dropouts with some Dolby TrueHD tracks is still a known bug with the latest Oppo firmware. I remembered it from the last Star Trek movie BD, but the dropouts were rare and for a fraction of a second only. Never noticed it with any other disc (until TIoL recently). I thought it was fixed, but apparently not, people are talking about it again today even*, and also about a "losing sync" problem. I guess I can move the "other" BDP to the 3808 system and verify...but for sure it's not the 3808 anyway.

*Edit: Oppo released a Beta FW that directly addresses this very problem on Aug. 24. LOL

And again: can't blame the TIoL problem on the Oppo, the other player does it too. However...they both use very similar MT chipsets for the basic stuff... Weird how when the player converts the TrueHD to LPCM it's flawless, but the raw TrueHD coming off the disc isn't, huh?

I had no issues with Kick Ass bitstreaming from the Oppo 83. Played it four times.

Ta

Dono

I've had fits and starts with TVersity. I still think it's a cool tool and will use it for some of my needs, but I've just found and fallen in love with the PS3mediaserver. Rather than indexing files like TVersity does, it's a real time access of your PC's directory structure (making it a devil of a lot easier to dig around in my poorly labeled and organized, but ever growing FLAC collection), plus it transcodes on the fly more quickly than did TVersity in my experience, and with more file types directly to the Denon's Net/USB input. I downloaded it to try streaming to my PS3, and was getting choppy output through a wireless N bridge, but in moving to the Denon's Net/USB directory on the same bridge, lo and behold there the PS3 Mediaserver was. Ready and waiting to serve up the goodies. No lag, no chop. Couldn't be happier with it, but trying to figure out if I can stream multichannel FLAC or wma files with little success (everything still comes out "Stereo" according to the onscreen signal info). Stereo stuff is golden so far. Just figured I'd post this find. Sorry if I'm repeating someone else's joy, but it's worth repeating.

EDIT: Haven't been able to stream anything multi-channel directly to the Denon. Anyone have any luck streaming multichannel DTS, flac, or wma files via the ethernet connection (ps3mediaserver, TVersity, or otherwise)? I can't be the only one hankering for this...