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post #19171 of 19885
1/10/12 at 11:07am
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Originally Posted by rakosnicek View Post

It would explain it.

I don't quite get why all of the other 7.1 tracks are allowed to function for some value of the word "function" but this one not. I suppose it has something to do with the DTS spec.

it's just the way this test is designed to work.

there was a whole big discussion about this very test a while back in the 4310ci thread, where FilmMixer (who BTW is a professional, Emmy winning film mixer) first reported that result with the AIX disc. For a few weeks everyone was up in a tizzy thinking that Denons did not properly handle DTS-HD decoding, and then FilmMixer (after speaking with the folks at DTS and AIX) got to the bottom of it and declared that the bug... wasn't. So, in other words, nothing to see here
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post #19172 of 19885
1/10/12 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by gcoupe View Post

But the point is that these days, as far as I'm aware, Microsoft are using the DLNA specs, so they don't need their own certification. Microsoft is a member of the DLNA consortium.

Edit: I noticed that you commented a while back that "I know it isn't part of DLNA or anything like that". Erm, not sure why you are saying this, because it *is* a part of DLNA. You may be thinking of the UPnP standard, part of which covers media servers; but the DLNA specs build on top of the much broader UPnP specs to focus on achieving real interoperability for media devices.

BTW, the media server implementation that I mentioned in a previous message was Jamcast. This is a software implementation of the UPnp/DLNA standards and supports many devices.

When I mentioned that it wasn't part of DLNA, my thinking was that WMA Lossless conversion to PCM isn't part of DLNA or it would work with all DLNA devices, as it does on 3808 and PS3.
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post #19173 of 19885
1/11/12 at 8:36pm
Hi Kevin,

I think I have it finally figured out, however, I spoke to someone from Denon who recommended AGAINST using the passive 4 speaker switcher even though it has impedance matching. He said I really need a way to power it so I do not fry my Denon.

I am considering this unit:
http://www.sonance.com/products/electronics/detail/234

though it is only designed for 3 pairs of speakers.

1.) Is it a bad idea to put make two speakers piggy back into one port? I could do this with two sets of speakers that are used outside that are not often used.

2.) If I were to do this, would I just connect the second set of speaker wires into the same ports that are being used by the other speakers? Is there anything else to be done?

Thanks!!



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How did you make out on this project?
All set?
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post #19174 of 19885
1/11/12 at 11:03pm
Does anyone know of a powered switching device that will enable me to connect 4 speakers to connect to my receiver? I am findings lots of devices that connect 3, 6, and 10 speakers, though not 4 or even 5.

Thanks!
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post #19175 of 19885
1/12/12 at 3:20am
^^
You may want to consider a 2CH external amp and connect the Zone 2 preouts to the 2CH amp and the russound switch to that amp. You can pick up a 2CH used amp on Craigslist for generally about $50-$100 or consider the one below.

http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AM.../dp/B00026BQJ6
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post #19176 of 19885
1/12/12 at 7:37am
Hi jdsmoothie,

Why are you suggesting a 2CH external amp instead of just getting the 4CH powered unit?

Thanks!
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post #19177 of 19885
1/12/12 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by candicoop View Post

Hi Kevin,

I think I have it finally figured out, however, I spoke to someone from Denon who recommended AGAINST using the passive 4 speaker switcher even though it has impedance matching. He said I really need a way to power it so I do not fry my Denon.

I am considering this unit:
http://www.sonance.com/products/electronics/detail/234

though it is only designed for 3 pairs of speakers.

1.) Is it a bad idea to put make two speakers piggy back into one port? I could do this with two sets of speakers that are used outside that are not often used.

2.) If I were to do this, would I just connect the second set of speaker wires into the same ports that are being used by the other speakers? Is there anything else to be done?

Thanks!!

I think that's over kill.
I use zone 2 to a speaker switch. something like this: http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/ishipo4pasps.html

30.00

works great
it makes the receiver think that you have one set of speakers

does that work for you?

start with getting some output into zone 2

did you run the additional wires?
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post #19178 of 19885
1/12/12 at 9:15am
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Originally Posted by candicoop View Post

Hi jdsmoothie,

Why are you suggesting a 2CH external amp instead of just getting the 4CH powered unit?

Thanks!

It's about $200 less expensive.
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post #19179 of 19885
1/12/12 at 10:58am
Hi Kevin,

I currently have this passive speaker selector:
http://www.russound.com/product_detail.php?i=1763

The person I spoke to from Denon warned me that this could fry the receiver. How is the one that you linked to any different? The Denon guy told me he gets 2-3 calls a day from people who do this and fry their receivers.

Thanks!


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Originally Posted by kevinwoodward View Post

I think that's over kill.
I use zone 2 to a speaker switch. something like this: http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/ishipo4pasps.html

30.00

works great
it makes the receiver think that you have one set of speakers

does that work for you?

start with getting some output into zone 2

did you run the additional wires?
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post #19180 of 19885
1/12/12 at 11:05am
If I'm going to connect 4 speakers don't I need a 4 channel amp and not a 2?

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It's about $200 less expensive.
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post #19181 of 19885
1/12/12 at 11:07am
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The Denon rep is likely exaggerating ... with very low background music only levels you could likely get away with connecting the switch directly to the AVR (especially no issues when not using the main zone); however, it would be safer to connect an external 2CH amp as I noted previously.

Note the first line in the marketing info on that switch ....

"The SS-4.2 allows you to switch up to four speaker pairs connected to a stereo amplifier."

You're only passing 2CH audio so you only need a 2CH amp ... the switch will direct the 2CH audio to the 4 sets of "stereo" speakers.
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post #19182 of 19885
1/12/12 at 11:16am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
The Denon rep is likely exaggerating ... with very low background music only levels you could likely get away with connecting the switch directly to the AVR (especially no issues when not using the main zone); however, it would be safer to connect an external 2CH amp as I noted previously.

Note the first line in the marketing info on that switch ....

"The SS-4.2 allows you to switch up to four speaker pairs connected to a stereo amplifier."

You're only passing 2CH audio so you only need a 2CH amp ... the switch will direct the 2CH audio to the 4 sets of "stereo" speakers.

why not just a speaker selectory switch as I suggested a couple posts back?
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post #19183 of 19885
1/12/12 at 11:18am
^^
Read the first part of that quote you just posted ... a little slower this time.
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post #19184 of 19885
1/12/12 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Read the first part of that quote you just posted ... a little slower this time.

i read it.
it's just I have been doing this without an amp for years...
no issues.
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post #19185 of 19885
1/12/12 at 11:35am
Hi guys,

To sum it up for a newbie like me, without any experience doing this.

1. Do you think the Russound 4 pr. Speaker Selector (I already bought it), Single Source SS-4.2 should be sufficient for running 7 additional speakers in zone 2?

2. If so, do I need to be concerned with how loud it is? Can I have all 7 speakers on at the same time? Can I have 7 speakers in addition to my 5.1? What restrictions do I need to be concerned with?

Thanks for your help and patience!
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post #19186 of 19885
1/12/12 at 11:41am
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The switch should suffice just fine, and if the AVR doesn't shut down in protection mode when both the main zone and all Zone 2 speakers are running, then you should be fine there as well. I suggested the 2CH amp merely for peace of mind as there would then definitely be no worries about the AVR shutting down.
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post #19187 of 19885
1/12/12 at 11:55am
1. What do I do if it does shut down in protection mode? How do you get it out of protection mode?

2. Does volume make a difference when running all 7 speakers , or is that not an issue?

Thanks!
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post #19188 of 19885
1/12/12 at 12:06pm
1. Power OFF the AVR. Disconnect the switch from the AVR (and get a 2CH amp) and power the AVR back ON again and you should be good to go.

2. Yes, of course .. the louder the volume the more power is drawn from the AVR.

As Kevin noted above ... he isn't using an external amp and has had no problems so it will depend mostly on how often you have all speakers running in both main zone and other rooms.
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post #19189 of 19885
1/12/12 at 12:52pm
Ok, for peace of mind, lets say I get the other amp
http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AM...=5336055023-20

1. Do I still use my Russound 4 pr. Speaker Selector, Single Source SS-4.2 to switch the speakers? Will it work with this amp?

2. I have an old Sony STR-D650Z receiver somewhere in a box
http://www.fowlervillehistory.org/st...reo_av_re.html

Can I just use the Sony to power the second zone?

Thanks guys for your help!
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post #19190 of 19885
1/12/12 at 1:01pm
^^
1. Yes.
2. Yes, that will work as well.
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post #19191 of 19885
1/12/12 at 2:39pm
JD, bless your patience. You're an asset to the forums.
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post #19192 of 19885
1/12/12 at 4:50pm
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Originally Posted by candicoop View Post

Ok, for peace of mind, lets say I get the other amp
http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AM...=5336055023-20

1. Do I still use my Russound 4 pr. Speaker Selector, Single Source SS-4.2 to switch the speakers? Will it work with this amp?

2. I have an old Sony STR-D650Z receiver somewhere in a box
http://www.fowlervillehistory.org/st...reo_av_re.html

Can I just use the Sony to power the second zone?

Thanks guys for your help!

or just use the rear amp and not an extra receiver..
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post #19193 of 19885
1/15/12 at 7:00pm
I'm looking at buying a 3808CI locally. The owner stated that is does have the Audyssey Feature Pack upgrade. How can I confirm this?

He also said the firmware was up to date. What is the latest version as of today?

Thanks!
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post #19194 of 19885
1/15/12 at 7:26pm
Just go into the GUI and check Audyssey settings. If it has Dynamic EQ/Volume then it has the upgrade by definition.

Not sure about current firmware but thats not a big deal, worst case you update when you get it home. If the guy has it networked you can go into the network settings and have it check for an update, it will tell you if there is newer firmware available.
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post #19195 of 19885
1/16/12 at 6:18am
http://denon-firmware-tracking.wetpaint.com/

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=995566

Should list the latest FW in one or both, along with release notes.
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post #19196 of 19885
1/18/12 at 6:01pm
I added a 2nd Supercube I to my theater last week using an RCA "y" connector from my Denon 3808. Both subwoofers seemed "dormant" afterwards. Do I have to change any settings in the 3808? I did notice that if I tap the gold input screws on the back of either subwoofer that the red light then comes on and they start to work. Anyone care to offer an idea about what is happening? I haven't had a chance to rerun Audyssey XT yet.
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post #19197 of 19885
1/18/12 at 7:06pm
A Y splitter is totally passive. The receiver has no idea it's there so how could it possibly be a setting?

That sounds more like a problem with the cable or the sub itself. You need to do some more testing.
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post #19198 of 19885
1/19/12 at 6:23am
The problem is happening to both my original Supercube I with it's original cable along with the new sub and cable. I'll try another "y" splitter from a source other than "rat shack". Once both subs are active they both work just fine.
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post #19199 of 19885
1/19/12 at 9:42am
Does each sub work normally when you remove the splitter from the equation?
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post #19200 of 19885
1/19/12 at 10:00am
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Originally Posted by Cobra5wood View Post

The problem is happening to both my original Supercube I with it's original cable along with the new sub and cable. I'll try another "y" splitter from a source other than "rat shack". Once both subs are active they both work just fine.

My SC1 stopped working on my Denny as well, I hooked it up to a diff receiver and it came back, I haven't moved it back yet to see what the deal is.
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