The "Official" Denon AVR-3808CI Thread - Page 647

When is the 875 due out? Price? Also other then the video scaller difference what are some of the other major differences between this and the 3808? Links to a full spec sheet

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Spidey sense says "spambot"

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my spidey sense was impaired by highly hopped beverages...

So I take it that the 3808ci will not do HDMI pass through when in standby? Was trying to see if it was possible but not finding anything just yet. For example the AVR is almost always set to my HTPC, but if I'm just watching TV on my HTPC I don't see a way to let it pass through when the AVR is in standby mode... I'm still digging through settings though and might just be missing it.

well... may have found it, but not at home to test. When I was reading around everything said only the 9 year series would do it on the last input selected, and then newer ones would work better.

I seen a page that talked about firmware updates for the 3808CI and it listed the ability to do this as well as a few other things, and sure enough I do have the setting for HDMI control in the menus after the most recent firmware update. I'll be trying this as soon as I get home

it's actually not a firmware update but the upGRADE that costs $100. That upgrade added Dyn EQ/Vol and HDMI-CEC, the latter of which enables the standby passthrough.

Would my 3808ci be able to drive the below setup?

CM9 x2 (FL/FR)
CMC2 x1 (C)
ASW10CM x1 (S)
CM1(SBL/SBR)

Thanks RM

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Yup ... should be no problem unless in a really large room at above reference level volume.

I really thought the manual mentioned pass through of HDMI when the unit was off. Not a default setting though. I seem to remember saying it would draw more power this was, and you could only pass thru whatever the last input was, you could not change it without turning it on.

I will have to drag the manual out and see, I have never used the feature, or upgraded my firmware.

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As batpig already noted a few posts up, the HDMI Standby pass through feature is only available on the 3808CI via the $100 firmware upgrade package installation, as it was only first fully implemented starting on the XX09/X89 models.

http://usa.denon.com/US/Support/Pages/upgrade.aspx

I picked up a used 3808ci recently, and am trying to get it to connect to the internet. I have a asus router that uses DHCP, and am connecting it using a regular LAN cable. But i don't see it getting an ip address. For some reason Network Setup doesn't seem to let me do anything. I cannot see anything underneath this setting. Is there anything i can do to get an ip address? The MAC address has all garbage in it.

The MAC address is hardwired into the Denon itself - it's the unique address of the hardware. It's not garbage, it's supposed to be in alphanumeric format.

If you're not getting a network address from your router, are you sure that you've plugged your ethernet cable into the Ethernet socket? Or have you plugged the cable into the Denon Link socket by accident? You wouldn't be the first person to do this, and you won't be the last.

Thanks for the response, Geoff!

No, i did verify that the ethernet cable was plugged in correctly into the right socket But whats strange is that i'm unable to get to the point where i can turn off DHCP. Is it that it automatically detects the router setting, and switches to DHCP ON and won't let users turn it off?

Also i found out another issue - no subwoofer tone The amps look to be ok. I ran audyssey last night, and it was able to detect all the attached speakers except for the subwoofer.

Well teaches me right for buying stuff on craigslist. I'm afraid that the repair costs might be more than what i paid for the unit... labor costs are mind boggling in this country.

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Try resetting your router. For the sub, pull the sub cable and rub your finger of the tip ... do you hear static coming from the sub? If yes, the sub and cable are likely okay. If not, either the sub or cable itself could have a problem.

Yup .. i verified that the sub/amp/cable are fine ... when i unplugged the cable, and plugged it back in, i could hear a pop. But i'll try it again downstairs with my NHT X1 crossover and NAD C325BEE, and make sure that the subs are fine.
Also i'll try resetting the receiver to see if it might fix some of the things.

BTW, how do i verify if the feature upgrade pack was applied or not (Dynamic Vol, HDMI passthru etc)?

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If pressing the "PARA" button on the remote displays "Dyn EQ/Volume" the update has been installed, otherwise if the Parameters menu shows up, it has not.

Ok .. so looks like the feature pack has not been installed.

I reset the microprocessor, and the results are the same. I've also reset the router a few times, and still its not being assigned any ip address. when i log into the router, i can see that the receiver has been assigned an ip address, and i am able to access that address. I can see the set up menu etc ... I tried updating the firmware from the browser (manual setup->option 3), but i'm getting connection failed every time. Now i don't know if the remote server that its trying to connect to is down, or there is something wrong on the receiver. Wish there were some logs i could look into ...

But still the main issue i've right now is that the subwoofer is not being detected. There is no sound whatsoever from the sub. I've checked the amp/driver and everything. It works perfectly fine once i plug the 2809ci back.

You may have one of the original FW. If that's the case, you may have to try doing the update from someone else who doesn't have you ISP (Cox, maybe?). One of the original FW had a limitation on how far the packets could make it out into the Internet. I'll see if I can dig up the address that you can traceroute to (to see how far you are from the update server)

This exact thing happened to me years ago, at least I had the same symptoms. Check if both your USB ports also don't work. If that is the case, then the only thing you can do is replace the "HDMI board" (cost is probably more than you paid for the 3808, be wary of cheap used boards for sale...). That's what Denon does, and did for me, even though it was unnecessary in the end. If I was there in person I *might* be able to fix it. It's been a few years, but I did once post instructions on what to do, and it worked for those who tried it...maybe I can find it if your situation seems the same as mine was.
Edit: the "fix" costs nothing, just have to take the cover off to get at it. Another symptom IIRC is the ethernet port LEDs won't light at all.

I spoke with denon tech, and was told that the network card needed to be replaced. I managed to return the receiver to the seller. The cost of fixing it would probably be too much .... I loved the amp sound though. Sounded better than my 2809ci.

So i'm back in the market looking for a decent receiver that can drive 4 ohm speakers, and had atleast multiEQ XT. Is 3808ci still a good buy ... or should i look at 4310? I know that 3310/3311/3312 are not direct replacements of 3808.

4311

Can eq two subs and can handle 4 ohm.

It is the "equivalent" to the 3808.

That's the kind of thing I was talking about: it doesn't have a network card. Must be a new guy...

I'd also ask this on the Denonxx12 thread where batpig and jdsmoothie will advise as to alternatives. Here's my experience. I had a 2809 and loved it with 8 ohm Polk RT800i towers (MSRP $1.1/pr). I got upgradosis and considered whether investing more $ in a higher model Denon like the 3808 might be worth it, but I decided to first upgrade my speakers- I obtained a pair of Dali Helicons (MSRP$4K/pr) and at the same time I fortuitously ran into a crazy clearance discount (something like $600) on a Denon AVR4310 at BB. I was thus able to do some A/B tests. The 4310 really did not improve the SQ of the Polks much at all. On the other hand, the 4310 sounded considerably better than the 2809 with the Dalis, more detailed on critical music listening of good source material. But the Dalis seemed hard to drive to anywhere near reference (4 Ohm/88dB sens) so I picked up an Emotiva amp and that fixed that. NOTE: The 4310 required Network card replacement under warranty (it is a known common problem with a couple of the networking xx10 models). But I already had my eye on XT32 and found a deal on the Anniv Edition AVR A100 (basically a 4311). The 4311 meets or beats out the 4310 in every way-and XT32 takes it up a big step in SQ. The 4311 is reliable, feature-packed (networking, Audyssey-Pro, Denon-Link, 11.2 capable, etc) and the best current audiophile value out there IMO. The buy-in is currently 1.3K from authorized e-resellers NIB.


I know you put equivalent in quotes but the 4311 exceeds the 3808 in sooo many ways...

I'd stick with trying to get another 3808CI as the 4310CI has the defective NIC as SOM noted and the 33XXCI series replaced the 2809CI.

Check out DAKMART.com. They're an authorized Denon dealer and have an outstanding price on a refurbished 3808ci.

The Toshiba BDX2200KC connected to HDMI 1 on the Denon 3808CI has no trouble playing blue ray or via internet playing You Tube videos. Litterally unplug the Panasonic DMP-BD30 and plug the HDMI cabel into the Toshiba plus add a network cable to the Toshiba and I was up and running. The Toshiba even went onto the net and uploaded the latest firmware.

But the firt inkling of a problem was when I used my remote to adjust the volume on the Denon. With my Cable Box, PC (with HDMI out), Seagate GoFlex TV the Denon adjusted the volume and displayed the bar on the screen. Hit mute and the annoying "Muting : ON -40dB" message comes on and stays on.

Now the Denon did mute the volume. But it didn't display the volume bar or the MUTE message.

So then I asked the Denon to show the display screens that let me change parameters. Poof. The Blue ray picture vanished and No Video message came up. Hitting my settings button on the remote again brought back the blue ray Toshiba video.

Further investigation shows that I can set the video source to something like the cable box when the Blue is not turned on or has lost the video.

But what appears to be happening is the Denon is turning off the Blue Ray HDMI when it tries to mix the set up screen. And it can't mix in the volume control video at all.

Since this worked with the Panasonic BD30 and with everything else one would think the Toshiba blue ray is at fault. But since the Denon Volume control is mixed with the video that is sent out to the TV why should the Toshiba care?

Oh, and the TV is also a Toshiba. I suspect this is some sort of HDCP problem. But how to solve it?

John

Keep the BD 30.

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Last weekend I attached a 1TB HDD to the rear USB port of my 3808.

Made sure I changed the settings to use the rear port.

Can't see my HDD

Is there a maximum size for attached storage on the Denon?

blairy

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The HDD must be formatted as either FAT16 or FAT32.