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post #19861 of 20190
Yes, the 3808 does not process 4k.
post #19862 of 20190
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Originally Posted by zoro View Post

If I upgrade to 4k TV and watching regular bluray up scaled, am I in for a new receiver? How about with true 4k media server by Sony ?

You can get something like the Oppo BDP-103 Blu-ray player ( $500 ) for just 4K and 3D from disc. One HDMI would go to your legacy receiver and the other HDMI to the TV. That would complicate your setup a little bit because you would now have TWO HDMI running to the TV and would have to calibrate/set up each HDMI to the source. I don't know a whole lot about the Sony FMP-X1 but it would also need two HDMI out for audio and video.

If you are looking at the possibility of having to add two additional devices to the TV, it indeed might be easier just to upgrade the AVR. The New Denon X4000 receiver might be the ticket if you don't care for anything beyond 7.x surround sound without adding external amps.
post #19863 of 20190
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Originally Posted by Featherlite 07 View Post

Been having some issues with my 3808 lately, and was hoping this thread could help. The signal seems to cut in and out. Not sure what is causing it, but it occurs on both the DVD/HDP input and the TV CBL input. I have assigned the HDP input to HDMI one and use that for my PS3 for games and blu-ray and the TV CBL assigned to HDMI 2 for the fios STB. I have an Xbox 360 on the 3rd HDMI and AppleTV on the 4th. I don't use either one too often. I don't have anything else connected. When I am using the PS3 and it cuts out it will switch inputs to the DVD input, so it just goes blank until I switch it back. When I am watching TV it will just keep cutting out for a second then come back on. It's been doing this for around a week and has been increasing in frequency lately. Money is tight right now, so I am hoping I can avoid replacing it. Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

Thank you,

Pete

If you check the cables and they are good then try a microprocessor reset. If nothing else you can get an inexpensive HDMI switch.
post #19864 of 20190
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Originally Posted by Thunder240 View Post

Guys, my apologies if this was discussed years ago in this thread -- I did a quick thread search and didn't see anything.

Can the Denon 3808 stream 96/24 or 192/24 files from computer over the network (either FLAC, WAV, or AIFF)?

Currently I don't have a router in the room with my 3808, or I'd test it myself. If the verdict is that yes, it can stream hi res audio over the LAN, then I'll definitely rectify that deficiency in my home setup. If not, i guess I'll have to purchase a music streaming device, which would be a lot more (especially for one that is 192/24 capable).

Thanks up front!
Edit: I just loaded the Linn hi res test tracks (FLAC and ALAC), as well as decompressed versions of the same (WAV and AIFF) onto a USB thumb drive and stuck it in my 3808. The receiver was able to see all of the files on the drive, but when I tried playing each in turn I got a "File type not supported" error message. I think it's therefore safe to assume that the 3808 can't stream hi res files from a music server, either. Oh well. If I'm wrong, please let me know.

Not to further zombify this thread, but I'm curious too if anyone has a solid and free solution for streaming FLACs to the 3808ci for play without transcoding them.

I've used PS3 Media Server to successfully stream them for playing, but it transcodes them as 44.1 KHz .wav files rather than leaving them untouched. Can't get success through Media Player's "Play To" functionality either, keep getting "Media Format Not Supported" which I'm presuming to be down to the 3808ci's purported inability to play .flac over UPnP given that I've updated the codecs in Media Player to play FLAC files just fine. I've tried to piece together the advice from post #6791 in this thread (with all the links being broken now), but feel I may have made more of a hash of it than anything. All advice is welcome.
post #19865 of 20190
You should be able to navigate through the music library using the 3808's interface, a phone app or Command3808. Then you can browse your collection and stream it. The downside is that the interface is bad and slow. It will recognize playlists (.m3u I think) so you can make a playlist on your computer and then save it to an easy to access folder so that you don't need to browse too much. Even if you want to just listen to an album you may want to use a playlist just to make browsing easier. That is what I remember doing before I had the HTPC hooked directly to the 3808 but it has been a while.
post #19866 of 20190
I stream FLAC to my Oppo BDP-93 > HDMI to 3808 > Internal DAC to speakers, works like a charm. I've used twonky, asset upnp, readynas, and now minimserver - all of them stream to the Oppo without any transcoding.
post #19867 of 20190
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Originally Posted by thaddeussmith View Post

I stream FLAC to my Oppo BDP-93 > HDMI to 3808 > Internal DAC to speakers, works like a charm. I've used twonky, asset upnp, readynas, and now minimserver - all of them stream to the Oppo without any transcoding.

I do the same with my Oppo 93 but the Oppo is doing the decoding from FLAC to LPCM to send to the 3808's DACs. I believe the poster wants to stream FLAC directly to the 3808 without a player or other media streamer to do the decoding.

It seems I did stream FLAC files directly to the 3808 when I first got the 3808 but the UI is so slow and cumbersome I quickly gave it up. Even a cheap media streamer would be well worth it if one wants to stream files vs. the using the 3808's network capabilities.
post #19868 of 20190
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

I do the same with my Oppo 93 but the Oppo is doing the decoding from FLAC to LPCM to send to the 3808's DACs. I believe the poster wants to stream FLAC directly to the 3808 without a player or other media streamer to do the decoding.

It seems I did stream FLAC files directly to the 3808 when I first got the 3808 but the UI is so slow and cumbersome I quickly gave it up. Even a cheap media streamer would be well worth it if one wants to stream files vs. the using the 3808's network capabilities.

You're right on in your assessment that I'm looking to stream direct to the 3808 and let it do the decoding (since it's theoretically capable and has better DACs than anything I've currently got attached to it).

I agree that the interface is cumbersome and sluggish, but I've got patience in far greater quantity than money to buy music servers, so if a solution would allow me to stream directly non-transcoded FLACs to the 3808 to decode, it would greatly help.

Thanks for the replies so far, hopefully someone out there has the magic bullet for my problem, but if not, it's always nice to hear what other folks are doing for high-res audio solutions.smile.gif
post #19869 of 20190
The approach I gave above will give you flac directly to the 3808. I used to do it all the time and it seemed to be the easiest way. The larger your library the more helpful using playlists is. If you have a smartphone the apps seem to be the easiest way to navigate. What I forgot to mention was that if things are really really slow and you are having extra trouble navigating try this: backup your settings, do a factory reset and then reload your settings. It will still be slow and cumbersome but more reliable.
post #19870 of 20190
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Originally Posted by nlsteele View Post

You're right on in your assessment that I'm looking to stream direct to the 3808 and let it do the decoding (since it's theoretically capable and has better DACs than anything I've currently got attached to it).

I agree that the interface is cumbersome and sluggish, but I've got patience in far greater quantity than money to buy music servers, so if a solution would allow me to stream directly non-transcoded FLACs to the 3808 to decode, it would greatly help.

Thanks for the replies so far, hopefully someone out there has the magic bullet for my problem, but if not, it's always nice to hear what other folks are doing for high-res audio solutions.smile.gif

Thinking back on it, I probably played FLAC files direct from a network drive, not tried to stream them with a DLNA server to the 3808. While I have some experience using PS3 Media Server, I was never proficient with it and had difficulty controlling what was being transcoded (or not). My experience using media servers is primarily with Twonky, MediaMonkey, and Foobar, all of which you can easily specify what is being transcoded. Have you tried using oShare which is a very basic and simple to use (and free) DLNA server with the 3808? I don't believe it even has the capability to transcode.

edit: The approach I used was as outlined by rec head. Direct playback, not using a DLNA server. My media collection is very large so navigating folders using the 3808 was painful. I wasn't aware the 3808 recognized playlists, that would seem to help. I frequently create playlists using MediaMonkey and Foobar for playback on my Oppo 93.
Edited by scolumbo - 5/14/13 at 5:14pm
post #19871 of 20190
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Originally Posted by rec head View Post

The approach I gave above will give you flac directly to the 3808. I used to do it all the time and it seemed to be the easiest way. The larger your library the more helpful using playlists is. If you have a smartphone the apps seem to be the easiest way to navigate. What I forgot to mention was that if things are really really slow and you are having extra trouble navigating try this: backup your settings, do a factory reset and then reload your settings. It will still be slow and cumbersome but more reliable.

But wouldn't I still need something to serve the files up, such as PS3 Media Server? I use Homegroup on Win7 to share my documents and files broadly in my network, but the 3808 didn't have an entry under 'Media Server' till I started using TVersity and eventually the PS3MS, though I've also experimented with others. What directory would the networked computer be under in the NET/USB submenu if not using a separate media serving program? Or do I need to take a further step beyond Homegroup sharing to ensure the drive is accessible to the 3808 directly?
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

Thinking back on it, I probably played FLAC files direct from a network drive, not tried to stream them with a DLNA server to the 3808. While I have some experience using PS3 Media Server, I was never proficient with it and had difficulty controlling what was being transcoded (or not). My experience using media servers is primarily with Twonky, MediaMonkey, and Foobar, all of which you can easily specify what is being transcoded. Have you tried using oShare which is a very basic and simple to use (and free) DLNA server with the 3808? I don't believe it even has the capability to transcode.

edit: The approach I used was as outlined by rec head. Direct playback, not using a DLNA server. My media collection is very large so navigating folders using the 3808 was painful. I wasn't aware the 3808 recognized playlists, that would seem to help. I frequently create playlists using MediaMonkey and Foobar for playback on my Oppo 93.

Thanks for all the possibilities! I'll try some out when I get the chance and report back as to their success. Was your network drive a NAS unit? I'd ask the same question of you that I asked rechead, if just connecting directly to a network attached storage device (like a networked and shared PC's harddrive), what directory would you locate that under on the 3808's NET/USB interface? Or do I need to take a further step beyond Homegroup sharing to ensure the drive is accessible to the 3808 directly?
post #19872 of 20190
It's been a while since I've thought about this. Does the drive need to be formatted in a specific way, e.g. FAT32? Search this thread for FAT32.
post #19873 of 20190
Also check out the Sony BDP-S790. (MSRP $250). Very highly rated and 2 outputs - one for audio, one for video. I recently watched Avatar using the Sony and my 3808 -- great picture and sound. Some reviewers feel the Sony is the equal of the OPPO at 1/2 the price - and it has all the Sony smart TV features -- as well as SACD.
post #19874 of 20190
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Originally Posted by Neurorad View Post

It's been a while since I've thought about this. Does the drive need to be formatted in a specific way, e.g. FAT32? Search this thread for FAT32.

I at least recall that a USB drive has to be FAT32, but I don't think it matters over ethernet or wifi.

You guys have helped me work through something I hadn't realized or thought about in a while. I had two dead-end ("< - - - - empty - - - -") listings under Media Servers for my PC's user folders that are shared. Haven't yet figured out what root on the PC they're pulling from for the "Music" directory on the 3808 if anyone knows off hand. This and other solutions ripped from the pages of "Duh! Weekly"! smile.gif

EDIT: Got it! Thanks a million for all your all's help! Love this thread.

EDIT#2: Only .mp3 files are visible? Is there something else I need to do to make FLAC files visible?

EDIT #3: Now FLACs are visible, but when I attempt to play them they go to the playing screen, show 100% loaded and then it bounces back to the directory.
Edited by nlsteele - 5/15/13 at 2:57pm
post #19875 of 20190
I have recently purchased a front projection screen and projector. The screen is an acoustically transparent screen, but of course we all know that there is some high level treble and voice reduction that happens. I need to setup my Denon eq settings so that it compensates for that. But I want to do that only when I'm watching movies on the screen. WHen the screen is up and I"m watching regular TV, it needs to go back to the normal settings.

Is it possible to switch between the EQ settings based on what "mode" I'm in with the Denon? I have not experimented with the 3808 in a while so not sure what is possible.

Let me know any ideas you have.

Paul
post #19876 of 20190
You can definitely save Audyssey settings per input, so for example you can have the "Audyssey Flat" curve as the default EQ for your Blu-ray input and the regular "Audyssey" curve set for your TV input.

The bigger factor though is in which "state" you choose to calibrate. If you calibrate Audyssey with the screen down, then Audyssey's EQ filters will take into account the AT screen and adjust the high freq's accordingly. In this case, the standard "Audyssey" EQ curve will be the "correct" one for movie viewing, but then when you raise the screen up the treble will be too bright. And there is no EQ curve that is more "rolled off" than the Audyssey curve for viewing when the screen is up. You could activate the Cinema EQ setting which rolls off the highs, but I don't know if that setting is input dependent (you can test that pretty easily though).

Alternately, if you calibrate with the screen up, the "Audyssey" curve will now be "correct" for viewing with the screen up, and then when you lower the screen you can switch to Audyssey "Flat" which will boost the treble to compensate for the presence of the screen. But it may not be 100% "correct" since it's just a canned adjustment, not one that is specifically measured to correct for the presence of your screen.

It's kind of a tricky call where you have to decide on your priorities.
post #19877 of 20190
But you cannot have two separate Audyssey calibrations? That was what I was asking in effect? One for screen up and one for screen down?
post #19878 of 20190
You could save two different configuration files to your computer (ie. calibrate with screen down, when finished save configuration to your computer, then calibrate again with screen up, save again). The receiver can't store two separate calibrations, so then you would have to load the appropriate one from your computer when you want to switch. That process takes something like 15 minutes, so it's definitely not an on-the-fly adjustment, but it can be done.
post #19879 of 20190
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Originally Posted by oldprof View Post

Also check out the Sony BDP-S790. (MSRP $250). Very highly rated and 2 outputs - one for audio, one for video. I recently watched Avatar using the Sony and my 3808 -- great picture and sound. Some reviewers feel the Sony is the equal of the OPPO at 1/2 the price - and it has all the Sony smart TV features -- as well as SACD.

I can't speak for the S790, but I can for its sibling, the BDP-S580. This BD player is very good with hi res physical media like SACDs, it can stream standar res (44.1/16) music from a DNLA server, and it can play both standard and hi res music from USB. However I discovered that it cannot stream hi res properly.If you attempt to do so, you'll be treated to a strange, pulsating output that sounds awful. I'm guessing this is a firmware flaw.
post #19880 of 20190
Hi all. Long time lurker here and first time poster. I have an issue that I tried to search but could not find an answer to. I have the Denon 3808 for about 5 years now and am very happy with it. I have the $100.00 Feature Pack Upgrade as well. I also have De Remote app on my iPad. All has been great until recently. Recently I have been having problems with the internet radio function. I search for a genre and narrow down what I want until I see the station I want to listen to and when I select that highlighted station it keeps playing a different station. The station it plays is from the same group of stations I narrowed down my search from but it is never the one I selected. It seem to jump from one random station to another. At first I thought there was something wrong with the app on my ipad so I contacted De Remote and was told it is a software problem with the Denon. So I tried using the Denon remote and confirmed the same problem exists. The DeRemote guy told me that I could try do a small button reset or unplug the unit for 15 minute and see if discharging the RAM would fix the bug. No luck. The only other option is to do a microprocessor reset. My question is if I do a microprocessor reset will i loose the $100 Feature Pack? I don't have a problem loosing my Audyssey setting since I recently did some remodeling and need to calibrate again anyways. But I do not want to loose the Feature Pack or any other important stuff. Any help would be appreciated. If I need to save any configurations to my pc can you tell me if the manual explains how to do that and on which page. I did this a long time ago but am rusty. I know I'm in the right place as you guys have been invaluable over the years to me. Thanks.

Nelson
post #19881 of 20190
You will not loose the upgrade or updates the receiver has taken.


You will only loose all your settings, basically it will be back to factory settings.
post #19882 of 20190
Thank you for the quick reply.
post #19883 of 20190
I'm pretty sure the small button reset won't help. I don't know about a master reset as I've never done one. What's happening is that your 3808 has shifted to random mode for Net/USB. Mine does this every time a small button reset is done but I don't think I've ever seen it happen spontaneously. Anyway this was supposed to have been fixed in one of the firmware updates although I don't remember which. All I know is that it seemed to go away for a while but now is back and is very consistent.

The problem I have is that I can't toggle the random mode UNLESS I'm playing files either from a music server or from a USB drive. It won't toggle on internet radio or favorites or whatever. I used to just go to my music server and toggle random mode ON and then OFF. Yes, that's what I meant. When it was in this state it did not show the random icon. You needed to cycle it to show the random icon and then cycle it off.

The second Denon remote (RC-1020 or something like that) had a random button which I learned into my Harmony.

Since I no longer run a music server through the Denon, I now use a USB thumb drive with some wav files on it to allow me to toggle the random mode on and off.
post #19884 of 20190
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Originally Posted by nkraemer View Post

Hi all. Long time lurker here and first time poster. I have an issue that I tried to search but could not find an answer to. I have the Denon 3808 for about 5 years now and am very happy with it. I have the $100.00 Feature Pack Upgrade as well. I also have De Remote app on my iPad. All has been great until recently. Recently I have been having problems with the internet radio function. I search for a genre and narrow down what I want until I see the station I want to listen to and when I select that highlighted station it keeps playing a different station. The station it plays is from the same group of stations I narrowed down my search from but it is never the one I selected. It seem to jump from one random station to another. At first I thought there was something wrong with the app on my ipad so I contacted De Remote and was told it is a software problem with the Denon. So I tried using the Denon remote and confirmed the same problem exists. The DeRemote guy told me that I could try do a small button reset or unplug the unit for 15 minute and see if discharging the RAM would fix the bug. No luck. The only other option is to do a microprocessor reset. My question is if I do a microprocessor reset will i loose the $100 Feature Pack? I don't have a problem loosing my Audyssey setting since I recently did some remodeling and need to calibrate again anyways. But I do not want to loose the Feature Pack or any other important stuff. Any help would be appreciated. If I need to save any configurations to my pc can you tell me if the manual explains how to do that and on which page. I did this a long time ago but am rusty. I know I'm in the right place as you guys have been invaluable over the years to me. Thanks.

Nelson

I was having a similar issue when my network connection (I use a wireless bridge cabled the 3808ci) got spotty. It would load one station, but as soon as it lost the feed, it would cycle to the next station and so on. If it were me, I'd reset my router(s) and any other network devices in the path to the 3808ci and ensure they're handling traffic as before. For me, specifying my QoS bandwidth (instead of leaving it automatic) resolved the issue.
post #19885 of 20190
Thanks for the insight guys. I too have a wireless bridge that is hard wired to the Denon. I will try resting my routers. As far as the on off toggle for random selection I considered that and I can see it on the DeRemote (ipad app) but it might not be functioning correctly. I'll have to see if it shows up directly from the Denon on my TV screen. I don't remember seeing one. I'll also try going to my music server and see if I can find it there. Great to get feedback and know I'm not the only one that has experience this issue.
post #19886 of 20190
Ok, so maybe this has been mentioned over the years but I didn't find anything with a quick search. I just bought a Denon X4000 but want to use the 3808 to power the LCR and Zone 2 and 3. Here's my question, how should I power on the 3808? I was thinking I would use a switching power strip but that will only put the 3808 into standby. I could use the remote app that I have been using but that is flaky and part of the reason I upgraded was to get better functionality from the android/ios apps. My 3808 often needs to be hard powered off to reset the ethernet connection. Plus I don't want to power on 2 things I just want to power on the x4000 be ready to go. A lot of this has to do with the WAF. The x4000 has trigger outs but the 3808 doesn't have ins. It would be a shame to have to get rid of the 3808 because besides this power issue I have all the gear I need and could actually sell the amp I have powering Z2+3.
post #19887 of 20190
I think a switching power strip is your best option. They make power strips with 12v trigger inputs but I don't even think that's necessary since you will need the 3808 on 100% of the time the X4000 is on.

I'm a little confused though, what exactly is the problem with the 3808 only going into standby? You are just using it as an amp, and will disable any HDMI CEC or network features so it should consume very little power in standby.
post #19888 of 20190
My problem is that when the power strip with the X4000 as the main device powers on the 3808 the 3808 will only go into standby not actually power on. So the issue is with powering on not off.
post #19889 of 20190
Why not get a logitech remote control and then use it to turn on what you want?
post #19890 of 20190
Kevin - I want this to work when using the remote app too.
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