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post #19891 of 20190
I just bought a emotive xpa-5 a month ago and have been using it sparingly. I tried using the pure direct mode for some cds, but it didn't work, only the bass came thru. So, basically my question is do I lose that function since im using the amp now or can I hookup some more cables to get that function back.
post #19892 of 20190
Whether you use internal or external amps has zero impact on surround modes or other processing. The exact same signal goes to the preouts as goes to the internal amps. All that other stuff happens in the processing stage, well before it ever goes to the DACs and then the amps.

In other words the amp isn't your problem.
post #19893 of 20190
I'm also using an XPA-5 with my 3808CI. I have the XPA-5 connected to the pre-amp outputs on the 3808, and the speakers connected to the XPA-5. There is no change in functionality. Everything works as it did before.
post #19894 of 20190
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Whether you use internal or external amps has zero impact on surround modes or other processing. The exact same signal goes to the preouts as goes to the internal amps. All that other stuff happens in the processing stage, well before it ever goes to the DACs and then the amps.

In other words the amp isn't your problem.
Okay, that's what I thought. Just making sure it wasn't something obvious before I start investigating. thanks.
post #19895 of 20190
Quick question. This might be covered but I could not find it in the 664 pages eek.gif.

I just bought a projector to put in my basement. I moved my 6 speakers (5.1 surround) downstairs also. I currently have everything (PS3, XBOX360, Fios, Computer, ect) running through the Denon. I then run my Denon through an HDMI matrix. This is so I can send the Denon signal upstairs to my living room with my old 40" LCD and/or to my basement with my projector (with all my speakers). Everything is working as expected. There is just one problem I have no sound upstairs on my 40" TV. Is there anyway to pass the sound through the hdmi to the TV upstairs? I just want to use the built in speakers on the TV.

I have just picked up the manual and I am also investigating using another Zone. But this opens more questions for me than answers. Can the TV receive the inputs. Then I have to reconfigure my remote.... ect.

What I really want is for the sound to be pumped through the 5.1 speakers and the HDMI to the TV and projector. I can mute the projector or turn it to zero.

Any help would be much appreciated or point me in the direction of a post!

Thanks,
Dan
post #19896 of 20190
The only way to have the sound "pass through" to the LCD is to change the HDMI AUDIO setting to "TV". This setting is found in the HDMI SETUP menu (in Manual Setup). The receiver can either decode the audio for playback on the external speakers (HDMI AUDIO = AMP) or pass it through (HDMI AUDIO = TV). But not both at the same time.

What you might consider doing instead is to have the HDMI matrix switch in-line before the receiver, so the signal can go to the LCD before the Denon strips the audio. This also will provide the side benefit of allowing you to utilize two different sources, e.g. passing the FIOS signal to the LCD upstairs while someone else is playing PS3 on the PJ in 5.1 surround.
post #19897 of 20190
That is interesting and helpful. My original plan was to have my Denon (all my gadgets) able to play on on the 40" and/or the PJ (was hoping at the same time for football parties). The hdmi matrix is a 2x2. The other input I was planning to be another fios receiver. I was going to go SD (to save money) but if I went HD that would allow me to watch TV just fine on either TV. It would still leave me with no sound upstairs when I was using anything passing through the Denon though. If I moved the matrix to before the Denon then I would lose the ability to play my Xbox and PS3 on the 40" TV.

I tried something else last night and was an okay fix but made some of my settings go wonky. I set the HDMI control to ON enabling powered off HDMI pass through. But I can not watch the main Fios box on the 40" and the pj at the same time. But as long as the denon is off the TV upstairs works as expected with sound. The wonky part is that I had Fios running on a particular channel and had it called 'Fios'. When I turned HDMI control to ON it moved Fios to DVR and 'Fios' channel is still there in settings but no longer assigned to an HDMI. Also my screen on the Denon goes blank very quickly after any changes. Not sure if anything else was unintentionally changed.

As I am writing this and thinking I still need to check. I did not think that my xbox or my ps3 would work but maybe they would pass through as well... If they did then the only thing I would lose is the ability to watch the same Fios box (HD) on both TV and pj at the same time. I can't imagine using the PS3 or the Xbox on both Tv's at the same time.

Any feedback is welcome. Thank you for your response!

Dan
post #19898 of 20190
Ah, it's only a 2x2 matrix. I assumed it was something like a 4x2 which would allow you to run sources to it first and then to the Denon.

Can you explain this a bit: "The wonky part is that I had Fios running on a particular channel and had it called 'Fios'. When I turned HDMI control to ON it moved Fios to DVR and 'Fios' channel is still there in settings but no longer assigned to an HDMI."

What do you mean by "channel"?? Like a TV channel? I don't understand how a specific channel can be "assigned to an HDMI"??

The standby passthrough feature is useful but, as you found, it cannot be used in conjunction with the receiver being on. You can pass through different sources but the 3808 only passes through the LAST source selected, so you would have to turn the receiver on, switch sources, then power back off to get something besides the Fios box.

A suggestion, if you are open to upgrading... several recent model Denons (3313CI, 4520CI, X3000 and X4000) have a built-in HDMI matrix switch, with a second "HDMI Zone" output that is independent from the main zone output. The matrix switch is already in the box, so you can connect all your sources to the receiver, play whatever you want in main zone with multich audio, and also pass through a different HDMI source (or the same one) to the Zone output for your LCD upstairs. There will of course be incremental cost from selling the 3808 and buying the newer model, but simplifying your setup and allowing the functionality you want could be worth it.
post #19899 of 20190
Now you are talking my language... upgrade! I am trying to teach my wife that language. And this is exactly what I need to do it. Some good reasons.

Thanks for answering my question on the specifics on how the Denon passes the hdmi while its off. I spent 5 minutes on it last night and had me confused.

So for a better explanation of my wonky settings changes to fios. During set up you can go in and set up each thing coming into the Denon and assign it to a 'channel'. Each of these 'channels' were preset and have limitations. Some of them were CD, DVR, ect.. So I called one PS3 and set it to HDMI 1 lets say. Then another 'channel' I might have my xbox360 then set it to input hdmi 2. I had Fios set to one of the channels and it was set up to lets say hdmi 3 and I called it Fios. When I did the pass through it moved HDMI 3 (Fios input) from my Fios channel to the DVR channel. The Fios 'channel' was there but no longer had an input assigned to it.

I am sorry my terminology sucks. Going to take some time looking at those models you listed as well as what I think I can get out of mine.

Thanks for the feedback and discussion!
post #19900 of 20190
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Originally Posted by bluetobb View Post

So for a better explanation of my wonky settings changes to fios. During set up you can go in and set up each thing coming into the Denon and assign it to a 'channel'. Each of these 'channels' were preset and have limitations.

Thanks for the feedback and discussion!

'each thing coming into the Denon' = source

'assign it to a 'channel'' = assign it to an input

Well that's how I'm reading it anyway.
post #19901 of 20190
OK, it definitely makes it a lot harder to help you when you invent your own terminology! biggrin.giftongue.gif

As rec head notes, those are called INPUTS on the receiver. You assign the sources coming in to a specific "input name" like DVR, DVD, VCR, TV/CBL, etc.

My assumption is that your Fios box is assigned to the TV/CBL input. What is happening is a result of the firmware feature upgrade and HDMI Control. When you turn on HDMI Control, it locks out the TV/CBL input from having an external HDMI source assigned to that name. This is actually noted on page 6 of the supplemental manual for the 3808/4308 that Denon published after releasing the Dyn EQ/Vol and HDMI Control upgrade:



The point is that when HDMI Control is on, it "expects" you to have a "Control monitor" linked up with the receiver, and assumes you will be piping back audio from the TV via an optical cable. If you continue to page 7 it notes that for the digital assignment, it locks in Optical3 to the TV/CBL input. So, essentially, that TV/CBL input name becomes "dedicated" to an expected digital audio pipeline back from the TV. The same thing happens on newer Denons when you turn on HDMI Control, but they also allow you to pipe the audio back via HDMI ARC (audio return channel) through the single monitor connection.

I attached the manual supplement here for your reference, that footnote is on the bottom right of page 6 under "Assign": Denon AVR-4308_3808CI-OM-Addendum-E_008B.pdf 2918k .pdf file
post #19902 of 20190
Man you know your stuff! I am impressed! You a firmware architect at Denon? smile.gif You just made sense out of my entire experience.

So I looked at the other Denon's you listed in your previous post. Obviously there is a huge price range. So I was in a $1500 price range (AVR-3808CI) when it was new. What am I losing if I step down to the $800 to $900 current unit price range. It seems like everything on 'AVR-3313CI' and 'AVR-X3000' are better and surpass the 3808CI, even the wattage is just a tiny bit lower. I will have a hard time talking my wife into a $1200 to $2500 upgrade. eek.gif I know I can sell the 3808 but even that is daunting to me. I don't usually sell my stuff but if I could get say $500 to $800 for it to put toward the upgrade I could easily get the deal by my wife.

I was explaining to her the situation this morning and she suggested we just hook the second fios box up to the 40" LCD and call it a day. What could she be thinking mad.gif. My PJ is 3D so there is another reason for an upgrade so we can listen to the great sound and watch 3D which the 3801 does not do.

Thanks for the PDF, I did not have a copy of that.
post #19903 of 20190
Hello, I've had my 3808 for several years Noe and I love it, been a solid receiver for me. One feature I've never used is the multi zone option as I was using it solely for my home theater setup. For a long time I have envisioned the 3808 powering outdoor speakers on one of the zones. My biggest issue always was the ability to remote control it from outside.

I recently bought a chromecast and figured FINALLY solved my problem. I wired everything up to the outdoor speakers and went to try it out and couldn't get any sound on zone 2 or 3. I tested the speaker connection by putting it into one of the main channel outputs and it worked fine so I knew my connection was fine. I also swapped over to another source besides the chromecast (which works fine on the main zone BTW) so I tried TV on zone 2 and plugged the outdoor speakers back into the zone 2 output

Here's my question. Are there any particular setting I need to make sure are set since I've never actually used the multi zone features. I done have the exact settings I used in front of me but I will post them when I get home from work tonight. I saw the display pannel show a separate volume setting for zone 2 when I used the second controller and tried using several inputs. Everything looked like it should have been OK. Thanksand sorry I don't have better details on my exact settings since I'm not at home at the moment.
post #19904 of 20190
HDMI won't go to zone 2. Only optical/coax digital inputs and analog inputs. To make sure zone 2 is working just try using the tuner.
post #19905 of 20190
The 3808 can be configured for 7.1 for zone 1, or 5.1 for zone 1 and a pair of powered channels for Z2. If Z1 is configured for 7.1 then Z2 will not be powered.
post #19906 of 20190
Do you have digital and analog connections from the sources to be played in zone2?
You need both. And as the other poster said try the fm tuner.
post #19907 of 20190
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Originally Posted by rec head View Post

HDMI won't go to zone 2. Only optical/coax digital inputs and analog inputs. To make sure zone 2 is working just try using the tuner.

Darn, that really puts a damper on the whole reason I got the chromecast. I will definitely try the tuner in the morning and report back. Thanks
post #19908 of 20190
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Originally Posted by kevinwoodward View Post

Do you have digital and analog connections from the sources to be played in zone2?
You need both. And as the other poster said try the fm tuner.
. all of my inputs are HDMI, I'll give the tuner a shot tomorrow when I can hook it back up again. Are there any HDMI > analog converters that could be used?
post #19909 of 20190
Somebody on one of the android forums said they bought this http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00BIQER0E/ref=redir_mdp_mobile?ref_=pd_sim_e_3&tag=androidcentral00-20 to convert to analog audio. So in theory I should be able to plug the output on this into one of the analog inputs (for vcr or something im not using) on the 3808 and use that as the source for zone 2?
post #19910 of 20190
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Originally Posted by yoyoma-den View Post

Somebody on one of the android forums said they bought this http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00BIQER0E/ref=redir_mdp_mobile?ref_=pd_sim_e_3&tag=androidcentral00-20 to convert to analog audio. So in theory I should be able to plug the output on this into one of the analog inputs (for vcr or something im not using) on the 3808 and use that as the source for zone 2?

That should work. I use an HDMI switch from monoprice to do the same thing with my HTPC. http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=5557&seq=1&format=2
post #19911 of 20190
Well that was it. I can't believe it was that simple. I was trying every setting I could think of and it was just the source. So what I ended up doing, temporarily until I get an HDMI converter, is push the analog out for zone 1 into the aux input. Then use aux as the feed for zone 2. That way I can still use chromecast to feed zone 2. The only downside is that it also has to be in zone 1 for now but that's no big deal for a few days.

Also thanks for the link rec head, that looks like a better converter. I might go with that one.
post #19912 of 20190
Not sure if it is possible but I would like to connect the following speaker setup in the same room
2 main fronts (Energy RC70)
2 surround A (Energy RC 10)
1 center (Energy RCLRC)
1 Sub
And 4 in ceiling 6.5" 100w speakers (Energy EAS 6C)
Can the 3808 drive all of them or do I need to get a small separate amp to drive the ceiling speakers?

Thank you
post #19913 of 20190
I think you could do it. I don't know if you would want to. It really depends on where the in ceiling speakers are and what channels you want them to be. Examples: If you want them as surrounds (side) then 2 could be on surround A and 2 on surround be and the Energy RC 10's could be surround backs. Or the RC 10's as surround A and one set of in ceilings as B then the remaining in ceiling as rear. I never used surround A+B so you should check the manual to make sure the speakers can be different.
post #19914 of 20190
Wow, glad you guys are still here, after being away for quite a while with perfectly-performing 3808. Same as Yoyoma above, I received Chromecast today and suddenly slapped my head when realizing that my Kuro display does not send audio back to the 3808. OK, I've put in a cable from the TV optical out and am in the process of working assignments, though real foggy. I use only one zone.

I just printed the Addendum E (Thanks Batpig) and ran the latest firmware upgrade sucessfully.

Now I've got reading to do and will report back.

Confused, just like the old days.....

warcloudwells
post #19915 of 20190
OK, in a moment of clarity, i simply plugged the chromecast into the unused 4th HDMI input, Assigned V.Aux to HDMI 4, PCM'd the audio, and it works; sending vid and audio up to the display.

Not sure why I didn't think of that approach first.
post #19916 of 20190
Hi,

I've have the UK Denon AVR-3808.

I'm taking an HDMI input (from a Roku 2 XS) and I'd like to be able to forward the audio from this input to a digital optical out so it can be taken as an input to a third device (telme2 bluetooth transmitter).

I'm not convinced it is possible to take an HDMI input and have the audio redirected - but thought I'd check here! I don't want to pay out for a transmitter unless I'm pretty sure it will work!

Is it possible to use the VCR optical out for example, or will this only output what is input into the optical in (rather than the HDMI audio)?

2 other points:

The Roku 2 XS does not have its own optical out so I can't use this - it is HDMI or analogue only.

I know I can do this by simply getting a transmitter that fits into the headphone jack, but figure the digital->analogue->digital conversion is going to loose so quality compared to a transmitter that can take a digital input.


Thanks for any advice!

Phil.
post #19917 of 20190
There is no HDMI audio down conversion, rather you would need to connect optical IN to get optical Out.
post #19918 of 20190
Thanks for the reply!

I suspected this would be the case, but wanted to be sure before I went for the headphone-jack solution!

Cheers!
post #19919 of 20190
What is the best solution for playing 3D bluray movies? I understand the Denon is only HDMI 1.3 and 1.4 is needed for 3D bluray.
I have a Samsung UN607500F and would the option to view the limited 3D blurays from time to time but it is not worth upgrading to a new receiver.
I have the TV set to auto view 3D and I can view the initial 3D movie but it loses picture.
suggestions please, willing to return Samsung BD F5900 for a resolution, suggest brand make model.
Edited by 1MaNArmY - 8/31/13 at 9:07pm
post #19920 of 20190
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I already bypass my 3808 for video since it cannot handle 3D. I don't see 4K becoming mainstream anytime soon. But if/when I get a 4K set, I will consider upgrading my receiver then.

what work around solution are you using to play 3D blurays?
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