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post #3061 of 20190
Looking for a solution for a new house and I want to support video distribution to two zones. I'd like to be able to output one source to zone 1 in HDMI and then output another source (as well as the same source that is going to zone 1) to zone 2 via component out. I'm going to use a component balun to transmit over Cat 5e to the 2nd zone.

Can this be done with the 3808? I know it has multiple outputs but it isn't clear to me if you can output different sources to each simultaneously and/or the same output source.

Thanks,

Ron
post #3062 of 20190
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Originally Posted by mrmark View Post

I used this product from Netgear:
NETGEAR XE102G Wall-Plugged Ethernet Extender Kit

nothing HD or fancy!


I have to agree with mrmark. Needing a "bridge" is not necessary. Just get a $50 router (wireless or wired is okay) and hook it the Internet port (WAN) to your cable modem and then connect an ethernet cable from one of the available ports (most inexpensive routers have LAN 4-ports) to the Denon. Turn on the cable modem first, then the router (it will acquire an IP address from your cable modem) then the plug-in the Denon and turn it on (it should then acquire an IP address from the router). If that doesn't work, you might have to try a Denon system reset outlined in one of the previous threads. But I didn't have to do this.

If you don't want to run a ethernet wire across your room, you could put a wireless computer next to the Denon. The wireless computer would receive the signal from the router and then pass it through it's ethernet port to the Denon. You'll have to turn on "Internet Sharing" (at least that's what its called on an Apple product) to make your ethernet port available to be used by other computers (the Denon).

Hope that helps clear things up.
post #3063 of 20190
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Originally Posted by RonP View Post

Looking for a solution for a new house and I want to support video distribution to two zones. I'd like to be able to output one source to zone 1 in HDMI and then output another source (as well as the same source that is going to zone 1) to zone 2 via component out. I'm going to use a component balun to transmit over Cat 5e to the 2nd zone.

Can this be done with the 3808? I know it has multiple outputs but it isn't clear to me if you can output different sources to each simultaneously and/or the same output source.

Thanks,

Ron

Granted, I don't have mine in hand yet so I am not the best source. But I am pretty confident you can output different sources to the other zones. But Zone 2 is a composite out for zone 2, not component. There is a component out for a video recording source but it would record the primary zone. Someone whose had their unit a while is welcome to correct if I am wrong.
post #3064 of 20190
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Originally Posted by mitchlewis View Post

If you don't want to run a ethernet wire across your room, you could put a wireless computer next to the Denon. The wireless computer would receive the signal from the router and then pass it through it's ethernet port to the Denon. You'll have to turn on "Internet Sharing" (at least that's what its called on an Apple product) to make your ethernet port available to be used by other computers (the Denon).

That seems like a waste when a $30-$40 wireless bridge will do the same thing. Another alternative is powerline networking, as noted above.
post #3065 of 20190
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Originally Posted by mitchlewis View Post

I have to agree with mrmark. Needing a "bridge" is not necessary. Just get a $50 router (wireless or wired is okay) and hook it the Internet port (WAN) to your cable modem and then connect an ethernet cable from one of the available ports (most inexpensive routers have LAN 4-ports) to the Denon. Turn on the cable modem first, then the router (it will acquire an IP address from your cable modem) then the plug-in the Denon and turn it on (it should then acquire an IP address from the router). If that doesn't work, you might have to try a Denon system reset outlined in one of the previous threads. But I didn't have to do this.

I'm confused.

This seems to presume that everything is in the same room, or at least located nearby. My router, or "controller" unit as it's called, is on a different floor of my house. Also, how would the 3808 begin its fw update without any input/instructions through the on-screen GUI?
post #3066 of 20190
so I just ran the audessey eq auto set up, it gave pretty good results for distances, except the subwoofer came out to be 20 feet, when it was actually like 10! IT also set the sub at -12 db...?

I changed it manually to 10 ft and about -5 db, should I have adjusted the sub this much? I do not have an spl meter.
post #3067 of 20190
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Originally Posted by cydog3 View Post

I have gone back and forth between onkyo 875 and denon 3808. I have read both threads (boy that took awhile lol ) I am going to move forward on the 3808 . Question I have is where are people [urchasing this for 1200 that I have seen in this thread? I can find it for 1174 shipped but not from authorized dealer. Seems all the authorised dealers have it for 1599


Thanks in advance

I bought my 3808CI at BestBuy for 1257. Just print out a bunch of prices from the net then ask BestBuy to price match.
post #3068 of 20190
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Originally Posted by Robert D View Post

I bought my 3808CI at BestBuy for 1257. Just print out a bunch of prices from the net then ask BestBuy to price match.

You have a generous Best Buy. Most don't match online deals, only "advertised" prices from local retail competitors. Here in NJ and NY, they often don't even do that. I have had a few experiences with more than one area Best Buy where I was able to show a current advertised price at a local store and they confirmed current inventory but still came back and say "sorry, we are declining to price match." They said it is elective on their part even with allthe criteria met. I never had that happen to me in CA, but the market is more...
post #3069 of 20190
Well, after waiting and talking about a new AVR for several years, I FINALLY pulled the trigger on the AVR-3808CI today... in related news, I threw my spare kidney up on eBay to pay for it . I did get a better price then the one a few posts up, but mine isn't "an authorized dealer". Even if BB matched the above price, I'd get slaughtered on the tax, so I took this gamble .
post #3070 of 20190
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Originally Posted by Heado View Post

Hello,

This actually depends on your service provider. There are several standards used out there, such as Dynamic IP, PPPoE, PPTP, Static IP. There is no reason you couldn't just plug your 3808 into your service provider's modem if they are utilizing either Dynamic IP (aka DHCP) or Static IP. In the latter case you would need to manually configure the 3808 network connection, in the former just turn DHCP on.

If your provider uses PPPoE, you will need a router as a login/password is required to gain access to the network. Having said this ... 90% of service providers out there use Dynamic IP.

Who is your service provider? Is your current PC (connected to the modem) set to use DHCP?

-K

Thank you for your assistance. The service provider is AT&T Yahoo High Speed DSL. We just received the modem and it will be hooked up on Friday, Nov. 30th. How do you set the computer to use DHCP? I have a wired router that I use with a second computer.
post #3071 of 20190
I have a couple of basic questions about the 3808CI I'm hoping someone can answer for me.

1. I know you can turn on/off the volume display. Is there a way to turn on/off the muting display? It's annoying that the muting display box never goes away.

2. Occasionally when I'm using the Tuner or Internet radio, the on-screen display disappears. I'm assuming this is just a timeout issue, but how do I get the display to appear again?

3. Lastly, is it normal when muting the receiver to hear a small pop?
post #3072 of 20190
Newbie here with a set up problem...

I have my 3808 connected per below:

HD cable box to 3808 via HDMI
Samsung Blue to 3808 via HDMI
3808 to Sony Flat screen via HDMI

The problem that I have is that I am not receiving some of my cable channels. I do receive some High Def channels, but not all. When I change to some of the channels I get is a gray screen. I have no problems when I pull the HDMI from the back of the 3808 and connect it directly from my cable box to the t.v. Any thoughts on this from the experts.

Thanks for your input.
post #3073 of 20190
get a linksys (or comp) wireless gaming adapter. It plugs into the ethernet port and communicates with your wireless router. The thing works great and I swap it between the 3808 and my A2 HD DVD player for updates and interactive programming on HD DVDs.

This thing is reliable, fast and easy to use!

You can get them online for around 50.00
post #3074 of 20190
I bought a d-link wireless gaming router, and setup was a real pain. So, I returned it, and bought ethernet over power devices from linksys, and they work great! Plugged them in, connected one to the router, and the other to the 3808, and wala...update was successful. Ethernet over power is awesome...and very reliable...no hiccups in the wired connection!

NOTE: The update did freeze, at one point, so, I restarted it all, and second time around, it was fine. There were lots of things that seemed to get updated...took over 2 hours for everything...but, it did all go through.
post #3075 of 20190
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Originally Posted by SushiBill View Post

get a linksys (or comp) wireless gaming adapter. It plugs into the ethernet port and communicates with your wireless router. The thing works great and I swap it between the 3808 and my A2 HD DVD player for updates and interactive programming on HD DVDs.

This thing is reliable, fast and easy to use!

You can get them online for around 50.00

Bill, this is what I have. Did you risk doing the firmware update over it? I dunno, I just don't have much confidence in wireless not dropping the connection for some reason and killing the AVR .
post #3076 of 20190
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Originally Posted by SledgeHammer View Post

Bill, this is what I have. Did you risk doing the firmware update over it? I dunno, I just don't have much confidence in wireless not dropping the connection for some reason and killing the AVR .

I did the FW update with this setup. It dropped 2/3 of the way through the first time(don't believe it was an adapter issue). Couldn't get it to reconnect to the server until I did the three finger reset. After that, it completed all the way to the end.
post #3077 of 20190
Just purchased the AVR-3808Ci for $1099 at 6th Ave (877-684-2831) from David (ext. 8474). Also purchased additional 3 years warranty (to bring warranty to 5 years) for an additional $69 (total $1168). iPod dock was an additional $99. Free shipping and easy to deal with.
post #3078 of 20190
Can someone please help me out?

Is this the only way to use a sub with stereo sound is to change your main speakers to small and assign a crossover? The audessey eq set my mains to large, but some bass heavy music still neesd a sub. Do I just thave to manually change them to small when I want to use the sub with my music?

thanks
post #3079 of 20190
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Originally Posted by mfogo View Post

Just purchased the AVR-3808Ci for $1099 at 6th Ave from David (ext. 8474). Also purchased additional 3 years warranty (to bring warranty to 5 years) for an additional $69 (total $1168). iPod dock was an additional $99. Free shipping and easy to deal with.

There seem to be a few Denon iPod docking options. Does anyone know the difference between them and which one makes the most sense?

As I understand it, I can play music from my iPod via the USB port even without the dock, but I wouldn't get the benefit of it charging or the ability to control the iPod from the remote and GUI. Is this correct?

While on the topic, has anyone priced or tried the XM tuner. Is it worth it? And if you are nowhere near a "south facing window" does it even work?
post #3080 of 20190
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Originally Posted by Citivas View Post

There seem to be a few Denon iPod docking options. Does anyone know the difference between them and which one makes the most sense?

http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/Accessories.asp
post #3081 of 20190
I have a specific issue and wanted to see if anyone who already has the unit either knows the answer or can try it out.

I intend to run my DirecTV HR10-250 HD TiVo through HDMI to the 3808 then on to my Plasma. However, I also want to view shows sometimes without the receiver on. I can run component cables out directly from the TiVo to the TV, but the problem is that the TiVo disables output to the component cables when the HDMI is active.

Some people have found that if the HDMI is not active -- i.e. it is getting no power or signal indidcation from the TV or receiver -- that it allows the components to work. The results must vary by the TV/receiver and whether it sends any power to the cable when the device is turned off. If it doesn't, that could be ideal because I only need the components to work when the receiver is off anyway.

But I have no way to know if this works with the 3808 in particular without trying. I could be patient and try myself but if it doesn't work it sets off a whole chain of events for me about my system so I would rather know sooner if anyone can help.

Thanks.
post #3082 of 20190
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So the differences seem to be locally attached versus network attached versus wi-fi network attached...

I assume the $99 was for the D-Dock local attached version?

Does anyone know if it is compatible with the iPhone?
post #3083 of 20190
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Originally Posted by terzaghi View Post

Can someone please help me out?

Is this the only way to use a sub with stereo sound is to change your main speakers to small and assign a crossover? The audessey eq set my mains to large, but some bass heavy music still neesd a sub. Do I just thave to manually change them to small when I want to use the sub with my music?

thanks

You probably have your sub set as LFE only change it to LFE & Main.
post #3084 of 20190
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Originally Posted by tstolze View Post

You probably have your sub set as LFE only change it to LFE & Main.

You are right, I do not have LFE+ Main on. I will try that when I get home.

I guess I am confused on this:

If I want to get bass to my sub during stereo playback of bass heavy music (rap, techno, or pipe organ for example) What is the difference between these two options:

1.)Leave the mains on large and change sub to LFE+main

2.)Set the mains to small and assign a crossover (say 60 hz for example)
post #3085 of 20190
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Originally Posted by jerryhb View Post

Just installed my 3808, small problems such as HDMI audio but slugged through it. I will attempt auto setup in a few days. I can not seem to get the GUI to appear on my Pioneer 5070 plasma, any ideas? Thanks

strange, as I have this tv and the 3808's OSD works perfectly for me...
have you tried resetting the denon to factory settings (just in case you've made some interesting change in the denon config)?

slightly off-topic, I find the 5070 to be a great tv... now if only it did 1080p/60 my life would be complete (as it is I have to play dvds and ps3 games in 1080i/60, though blu-rays at 1080p/24 are great)
post #3086 of 20190
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

Did you select bitstream audio output rather than PCM? And did you actually select the TrueHD track through the menu on the disk?

The firmware update on the BD30 improves stability with DVD playback and fixes the issue with the Spiderman3 BD. It doesn't have anything to do with bitstream output.

Well, I was able to update the FW on the Bd30 last night (after the wife/kids went to bed). But, I think the kicker was that I had to select TrueHD on the TMNT disc menu (as suggested by bfdtv). Viola! Worked like a charm. Too bad I wasn't able to turn the volume up to see what the difference was in quality. Maybe tonight...

Thanks for the help!
post #3087 of 20190
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Originally Posted by johnd'oh View Post

I have a couple of basic questions about the 3808CI I'm hoping someone can answer for me.

1. I know you can turn on/off the volume display. Is there a way to turn on/off the muting display? It's annoying that the muting display box never goes away.

2. Occasionally when I'm using the Tuner or Internet radio, the on-screen display disappears. I'm assuming this is just a timeout issue, but how do I get the display to appear again?

3. Lastly, is it normal when muting the receiver to hear a small pop?

1. Your stuck with this one. It's a known issue and we can only hope a FW update with resolve this.

2. I just bump the volume control and the web screen pops up. It is a timinout issue that can be adjusted via the menu.

3. I'm pretty sure that popping sound during muting is a good old fashion relay switching over.
post #3088 of 20190
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Originally Posted by johnd'oh View Post

I have a couple of basic questions about the 3808CI I'm hoping someone can answer for me.

1. I know you can turn on/off the volume display. Is there a way to turn on/off the muting display? It's annoying that the muting display box never goes away.

2. Occasionally when I'm using the Tuner or Internet radio, the on-screen display disappears. I'm assuming this is just a timeout issue, but how do I get the display to appear again?

3. Lastly, is it normal when muting the receiver to hear a small pop?

Some of this was answered, but here are mine:
1) Turn off "text" in the display setup area.
2) Yes, it's a timeout thing. Just do as the other poster said and bump the volume.
3) Mine has no popping sound or any other sound when I mute, it just goes silent.

HTH
post #3089 of 20190
I just purchased the Denon 3808CI receiver and have set it up in a rather small den (15' wide by 10-1/2' deep). I'm using Axiom M3 bookshelf speakers, Axiom QS4 surrounds, an Axiom VP150 center, and a Hsu STF-2 sub. I've calibrated the speakers using Denon's Audyssey setup. Here's my question. Is it possible to increase the volume on the center and decrease the volume on the surrounds with the Denon 3808? In skimming the manual, I couldn't find a way to do it.

The reason I want to change the volume is that I have Tinnitus (a permanent high-pitched ringing sound) in my left ear. I've noticed that when I listen to movie soundtracks that have a lot of explosions (e.g. "Master and Commander"), if I turn the volume up enough to make the vocal track easily discernable through the center speaker, the surrounds become way too loud during loud passages and this aggravates my Tinnitus. What I'd like to do is raise the sound level of the center speaker while simultaneously lowering the volume of the surrounds in order to save my hearing. I'm afraid that if I can't find a way to do this, I'm going to have to get rid of the surrounds and sub and just listen to the bookshelf speakers and center. There goes my home theater!

Thanks.
post #3090 of 20190
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Originally Posted by SledgeHammer View Post

Bill, this is what I have. Did you risk doing the firmware update over it? I dunno, I just don't have much confidence in wireless not dropping the connection for some reason and killing the AVR .

Not only did I update the 3808, I updated my Toshiba A2 HD DVD player as well. Solid as a rock. I stream files from my pc to the Denon and play some internet radio stations and have never even had a hiccup.
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