The "Official" Denon AVR-3808CI Thread - Page 148

I've been a long time Yamaha user ... I'm not a gamer but I will tell you that the 3808 has much better sound than the 2700 that I just moved to another room. Picture is great ( I'm using it primarily for blu-ray movies ) Also I'm tired of technology changing faster than I can buy new equipment... so the ethernet update feature presents the potential for accomondating new features and improvements

Kind of a stupid question but here it goes.
I have the 1908 model and am wondering if I hook up component cables for a DVD to the #2 slot (VCR) and a coax into the #1 slot (DVD/HDP) will it be smart enough to give me the sound or do the names have to match.
I want to hook up a PS3 into HDMI 1 (DVD/HDP) so will to look for sound over the coax and give me no sound from the DVD player??
Sorry for the long question but I would rather set-up everything once then find out I cant do that.

I realize I am probably picking a nit at this point, but this one piece of functionality seems to elude me:

I am receiving a DSD signal from my DENON SACD player. This is confirmed by the 3808. When I check INFORMATION>AUDIO INPUT SIGNAL it shows:

Surround Mode:

Multi Channel Direct
Signal: DSD Page 41 of the manual indicates the front panel should be displaying "DSD MULTI DIRECT", but mine only shows "MULTI CH DIRECT".

The manual further states, "When DSD signals are converted to PCM signals as set by the audio parameters and speaker settings, "DIRECT" or "MULTI CH DIRECT" is displayed".

What does this mean? How can I get the display to show "DSD MULTI DIRECT".

Thanks.

Hi Dan,
I have a brand new 3808ci, URC 850 and
MRF 350. I didn't even think about the rear jack! Now I have to try it.

Mine is set up using the IR emitters. and it works great. The only issue I've had is the "self stick" tape on the IR emitters is somewhat flawed. I have mine stuck on with bluetape for now.

Anyway, the remote works great in this setup for all sources from anywhere in my room pointed anywhere which was the point of it all.

You can not change the back surround settings when playing these DTS HD MA disc. I have tried, and it stays on Discrete. You can change it, but it will go back to discrete. The signal coming in is flagged as 5.1, but it is 7.1. There is no PLIIx being applied to the signal.

Mark

You have to go into setup and assign digital audio inputs to the correct logical input. The names on the back panel are the DEFAULT assignments. RTFM. This is the 3808 thread BTW....

Forcemany: Your solution works. While I am getting only the surround material (lots of reverb) in the extra room , since the room is within shouting distance of my main room, I think this will work for me. Also, now that I am not using the surround back jacks, I gather I can go ahead and bi-amp my front speakers on my next "rainy day". Many thanks (no pun intended)!

You have to get your source to pass DSD.

And there are a very limited number of sources that do that (the 2930, 3930 and Oppos 981 come to mind)

Hey - any issues with the logon fails - see earlier in this thread. Simply reset the Denon using the instructions listed, then log on and perform an update. Also, since the updates wipe your personalised settings, log onto the Denon directly using the IP it is set to (check network settings - most probably 192.168.xxx.xxx - type this directly into your web browser). For the later firmware upate, you can save your personalised settings through the web browser (the Denon will show that it is saving) and if you perform an update that wipes your data, simply log on again via the web browser and load your settings back - also helpful if you need to reset the receiver for any reason.

I've connected my Wii to the Denon using the component cable and upscaling to 1080i (maximum of my Sony Bravia) without any issues at all. Can't see any reason why 1080P would be any different.

I have problem with my 3808... When i change inputs the amp resets my sub level to -7dB!

I keep changing it back to -2dB but as soon as i change input it reverts back to -7dB.

I initially set it up with the Ausyssey but had to manually change a couple of things within the Manual Setup screen (specifically Channel Level).

Am i doing my modifications in the wrong menu and therefore its not memorizing it or is it something else?

Help!

MTX

Check to make sure that the HDMI setting is set to AMP on the Denon - you won't get any sound from the TV, only thru the receiver.

For the low centre channel, there are a couple of ways around this:

1). When the menu is off, press your enter key and increase the centre channel independent of the other channels - note that this needs to be set for different inuts.

2). The more preferable way is to set the Denon onto the input you are using for the DVD playback, then go into the SETTINGS -OTHER and increase the digital (and analogue if required) input value - +8 is pretty impressive at increasing the whole overall input. We had the same issue and couldn't hear the centre channel - increasing the input cured this. Also, if the volume of sound between the lows and highs is too different, then set the night mode to low or medium.

Did you check that the level is the same across the different inputs that you are using and for the different decoding options? Clear the menu from and press the ENTER key on the remote and check the level of the sub. Change inputs/decode mode and check again.

Thanks mate. Didn't realise you had to set it for each decoder option.

I was using quick select and so it was reverting back to my original quick select settings which i done before modifying the levels, forgot that quick select saved all the EQ settings aswell as the source input - doh!

Thanks!

So, can anyone confirm that this is a New Line Problem or does this have something to do with Pioneer and Denons software. I've watched Hairspray and Pan's Labyrinth on my 3808 and both come across as 5.1 being the inputting signal. I can overlay PLIIx on the 5.1 signal to get 7.1 which sounds beautiful but the reason I purchased the 3808 was to get discrete 7.1 when it became available. I watched War the other night and it came across as a 7.1 and outputted as 7.1 which I know is an Uncompressed format but still.

For whatever reason I find it hard to beleive that New Line has messed up the flagging on not one, but more than one disc but not to say this isn't the case. I know many are saying that the Yammys and Onkyos are not suffering from this problem but from the few threads I've read I see many stating they are "outputting" 7.1, well so am I with PLIIx overlayed, I've seen no one say what the incoming signal is. If this is Pioneer and Denon's problem, so be it, I just hope they release a firmware update that will correct it. If this is New Lines problem, I'll stop purchasing the disc until they get the flagging issue corrected. Just wish whomevers at fault, one would step up to the plate and admit it, doesn't matter whos fault it is, just correct it. Just my thought.

I have a 3910. I believe it is passing DSD based upon the Audio Input Signal screen and the little "DSD" light on the 3808 front pannel.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post12665219


Works on Yamaha too.

Well i guess i might go for the 3800 and cancel my 3808 order.
I think these Denons werent ready for release yet.
Too many firmwares, too many bugs.
If you pay so much for a receiver that is suposed to do 7.1 hd audio and it doesnt, that not good.

If it is a receiver problem, people can't hope it will be fixed on a firmware upgrade. Because it can also be a hardware limitation like the ps3 that isnt able to bitstream True HD and DTS HD

Well, what I've gathered from post by browninggold and posts 1 & 2 by Rhythmx here and from Robert George's posts at 4308 thread it would seem as:

1) bitstreamed 5.1 TrueHD and 5.1 DTS HD MSTR are seen by receiver as 5.1, and DPLIIx can be overlayed to make them 7.1
2) Pan's Labyrint etc. 7.1 sources bitsreamed are also seen by receiver as 5.1, but you CAN'T overlay DPLIIx over them as the receiver sees surr back as discrete AND there is still sound from them.

So it would seem that this receiver can do 7.1 very well: overlay DPLIIx for any 5.1 AND play discrete bitstreamed 7.1 sources..?

Only problem being display working incorrectly (which could be caused by Denon's buggy firmware or incorrectly flagged disc). I could live with this and finally make the decision to move from Onkyo 805 to this receiver...

Have you checked that DPLIIx setting really stays on when you activate it for those sources?

My 3808 clearly says "Multi In + PLIIx" on the display. I'll double check today but I'm almost 99% sure it stays on throughout the whole movie. I'm also using the Sony BDP-S1 as my BD player so I'm not sure if this makes a difference or not.

If it says Multi In your player is not bitstreaming - it is sending multichannel PCM.

Pretty sure the S1 will not bitstream, I wanna say it's only Ver. 1.1 HDMI.

These are infact good news in a way (so the hope lives that Denon 3808 can infact manage 7.1 bitstream sources), as they don't contradict with my post .

It would seem that HDMI 1.1 S1 is decoding 5.1 DTS Core to 5.1 PCM which is what your Denon sees.

Yamaha receivers only have one set of display for speakers, and that is what is being output. Denons, however have what is being input on the Left, and output on the right.(I have both Yamaha and Denon receivers for different rooms). My Denon lights up all 7.1 channels on the right side when doing dts hd ma 7.1, but the input lights on the left show 5.1. However, when playing the new line intro, both displays show 7.1. Yamahas only show what is being output.
I think this is the big mixup, and why people say their Yamaha receivers are showing 7.1. This is definitley a flag issue, and has been seen on other receivers besides the Denon. Yamaha people need to check to see what is being input.

I have shortlist my first HT setup to B&W 68* series speakers and Denon 3808. I have already ordered Oppo DVD player and got a 40 inch Sony V series LCD display. The B&W 685's and HTM62 are bi-wireable but I am not sure how to bi-wire them with 3808. Wanted to check if I can bi-wire them with Denon 3808 and if the answer is yes, then how do I bi-wire them.

Thanks.

What about claims that surr back speakers are extremely low with these sources?

Extemely low? Based on what? It is hard to say what the surrounds are supposed to sound like without hearing it at the mixing studio. Maybe the Yamahas are too loud, and not calibrated correctly? Mine sound great. Don't forget, surrounds are not supposed to always be loud. Most of the time the surrounds are for ambience. However, Hairspray sounded great. I have also had my setup calibrated by an HAA tech Lee Richman.

That's it - I'm going to order mine now..

I don't think there has been direct comparisons here, but I remember reading from some thread that altough there were sound from surr back, it was lower volume than usually (maybe compared to matrixed 7.1 or 7.1 pcm).

EDIT: here it is: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post12665692 - rumours, rumours - I know..

this is the display on the Onkyo
it also shows all 7 channels
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post12614037

Once again, this is only showing what is being outputted by the rear speakers, has anyone shown what the actual input signal is on the Onkyo or the Yamaha? My 3808 shows this also on the right hand side of the display (speaker output), if I look on the left hand side it only shows 5.1 being the input signal. I guess the only option I have left is to go out and purchase the HD-DVD version of Pan's and see how my XA2 handles the decoding via bitstream.