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post #4471 of 19879
1/3/08 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by forcemany View Post

I think you'll do better with 5 channel stereo especially for background music.

5 channel makes sense. Since I'm still on vacation, I went ahead and bi-amped the front R&L speakers and figured I ought to re-run the auto speaker setup after bi-amping. Not sure how much of a difference the bi-amping will really make but it makes me feel better. Thanks for all of your help. If I relied on Denon, I wouldn't have made this much progress.
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post #4472 of 19879
1/3/08 at 4:31pm
I’ve had my 3808 for about three weeks now and I’m still having trouble understanding how to select certain devices. On the back panel there are inputs for what Denon calls “HDP” next to “DVD” and “DVR” next to “VCR”. I have reserved the HDP inputs for a Blu-ray player which should be here shortly. I plugged a cassette player into the DVR inputs.

I know I can select the HDP inputs by pressing, in AMP mode, the digit 4 key twice. I can select DVR (my cassette player) by pressing the digit 7 key twice. I don’t care about controlling the cassette player remotely because it doesn’t have a remote control. I would like though to control the Blu-ray player when it gets here.

After selecting the DVD inputs I can press the touch screen, press the DVD button in the top right, make sure I am in Device 1 mode and I can use the play/pause/stop/etc buttons successfully. For some reason Device 2 of the DVD button is CD.

The diagram on page 60 of the manual shows both “DVD” and “DVD Recorder” as being Device 1 and “CD” and “CD Recorder” being Device 2. What does this mean? How do I control the “HDP” device? How do I control the “DVR” device (If I ever change it from the cassette player)?

Any help would be appreciated.
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post #4473 of 19879
1/3/08 at 4:47pm
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Originally Posted by valmont74 View Post

Maybe I have a bad unit... I still cannot connect despite reset--- Login failed...

I use a D-link DIR-655 router, do I need to open any ports for the Denon? (I shouldn't need to, but I think I might ask just in case...)

Hey Valmont

From what you describe it would appear unusual that you can't update. If you can connect to the internet radio, then you must have internet connectivity. What reset method did you use for the receiver? Check link #3816 as this usually works for the log on problem. (Turn off the receiver using the small power button, press and hold both the up and down arrows on the receiver and repower on the Denon - wait for display to flash a few times).

I'm not familiar with the D-Link as I'm using a Netgear WPN 824. The router is set to provide the addresses for attached devices (DHCP set to ON) and the only port forwarding I use is for my X-box 360. UPnP is set to OFF as the Denon couldn't connect properly with this on. Check what IP address the Denon has set for it using Network setup, then log onto your router and check on the connected devices - the Denon should show up here. You could even permanently set the IP address for the Denon on the router by reserving the address for the Denon on the router if that option is available.
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post #4474 of 19879
1/3/08 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by Supermann7 View Post

Anybody. I'm about to buy 3808 from J&R. I am worry about not getting the latest firmware in the unit. I saw in Denon latest update firmware is already out 12/21/07. What is the latest firmware I expect to see if I buy the unit let say tomorrow. Thanks.

Latest MAIN firmware in the US is 1.57. Don't worry about it though -- if you have a broadband connection then downloading the latest firmware is trivial to do (though it takes about an hour for it to complete). You don't even need to have the receiver hooked up to a monitor, in case you don't have ready access to your broadband network from wherever your TV is. You can navigate the whole process just using the display on the receiver.
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post #4475 of 19879
1/3/08 at 5:37pm
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Originally Posted by little_donkey View Post

What if it's a hardware problem, because remember, these are all new formats.
Pioneer has the same problem, maybe using the same kind of chip? dunno though.
Because it doesnt explain why the logo is 7.1 and movie itself not

I know the following is definitely apples and oranges, but FWIW--on Star Wars Ep. III, the THX intro has the Dolby Digital EX flag, which the 3808 correctly detects and thus lights up the surround back speaker icon on the left-hand side of the 3808 display; however, the audio track for the movie itself--which also has the DD EX soundtrack--does not light up the SB speaker icon on the left-hand side. Matter of fact, the movie soundtrack will not light up the SB speaker icon on the right-hand side either (or to put it another way, the 3808 won't recognize that it's a DD EX soundtrack) unless I set the SB CH Out to "MTRX ON". FWIW--my 5-year old Sony DA4ES exhibited this same issue...it could detect the EX flag in the THX intro, but not in the movie soundtrack itself.

My point is that there could be various reasons why a logo intro is properly flagged but the movie isn't--the fact that this discrepancy isn't necessarily limited to New Line only adds to the possibility that the issue may not necessarily be (solely) a h/w issue w/ the receiver. I also don't believe that the issue is necessarily because these audio formats are "new"--DD EX isn't exactly a "new" format, yet both my 3808 and my DA4ES can't detect the EX flag in the movie (can't remember whether it was an issue of a missing flag or an improperly encoded one) but can detect it in the THX intro...
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post #4476 of 19879
1/3/08 at 5:42pm
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Originally Posted by couchMan1 View Post

Latest MAIN firmware in the US is 1.57. Don't worry about it though -- if you have a broadband connection then downloading the latest firmware is trivial to do (though it takes about an hour for it to complete). You don't even need to have the receiver hooked up to a monitor, in case you don't have ready access to your broadband network from wherever your TV is. You can navigate the whole process just using the display on the receiver.

Interesting - latest firmware for Australian/NZ is 1.60.
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post #4477 of 19879
1/3/08 at 7:39pm
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Originally Posted by Hotshotnz View Post

Interesting - latest firmware for Australian/NZ is 1.60.

And the latest for Europe is Main 1.64 / Sub 00.73

Im praying to the AV gods, that when this one arrives to me that it fixes all of my bass issues...

Where is Denon R&D? Europe? That might explain why the version precedence emanates from there.
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post #4478 of 19879
1/3/08 at 8:23pm
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Originally Posted by HumanMedia View Post

And the latest for Europe is Main 1.64 / Sub 00.73

Im praying to the AV gods, that when this one arrives it fixes all of my bass issues...

Where is Denon R&D? Europe? That might explain why the version precedence emanates from there.

Your (and others) bass issues are intriguing. I have my 3808 set up as a 5.1 system with Wharfedale Evo 40s as the fronts and Evo 8s as the rear (with Evo centre). The Evo 40's frequency response is 30hz - 28kHz (at +/- 3dB), the centre 90hz - 35 and the Evo 8's, 65 - 28kHz. Auto setup detected the fronts as 40Hz, centre at 80 and rears at 60, so pretty much bang on. I have a Velodyne CHT10R as the sub. My sub is set at -3.5db and only LFE effects (in two channel). Setup is on advanced with the fronts as large and the rest as small with crossover for the fronts at 40Hz, the LFE at 80hz. Bass extension is superb and the crossover to the sub is almost seamless (the sub is on direct for the crossover so that the Denon is doing all the work - it's really hard to pickup when the signal changes - try with a THX audio (bass) setup option on a suitable DVD). As far as bass is concerned, at -25dB on the Denon (with a +8dB input on the channel to kick the centre speaker along for DVD speech), the bass response is fantastic with both the fronts and the sub providing effortless and powerful bass (too much according to my wife as it shakes the upstairs bedrooms when playing music with heavy bass (and also X-box 360 or watching movies - the bass from dolby digital/dts encoded titles is fantastic without upsetting the overall balance of the film). I would be interested to know if you bass issues are something different entirelly (am I way off the target??)
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post #4479 of 19879
1/3/08 at 9:08pm
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Originally Posted by Hotshotnz View Post

Your (and others) bass issues are intriguing. I have my 3808 set up as a 5.1 system with Wharfedale Evo 40s as the fronts and Evo 8s as the rear (with Evo centre). The Evo 40's frequency response is 30hz - 28kHz (at +/- 3dB), the centre 90hz - 35 and the Evo 8's, 65 - 28kHz. Auto setup detected the fronts as 40Hz, centre at 80 and rears at 60, so pretty much bang on. I have a Velodyne CHT10R as the sub. My sub is set at -3.5db and only LFE effects (in two channel). Setup is on advanced with the fronts as large and the rest as small with crossover for the fronts at 40Hz, the LFE at 80hz. Bass extension is superb and the crossover to the sub is almost seamless (the sub is on direct for the crossover so that the Denon is doing all the work - it's really hard to pickup when the signal changes - try with a THX audio (bass) setup option on a suitable DVD). As far as bass is concerned, at -25dB on the Denon (with a +8dB input on the channel to kick the centre speaker along for DVD speech), the bass response is fantastic with both the fronts and the sub providing effortless and powerful bass (too much according to my wife as it shakes the upstairs bedrooms when playing music with heavy bass (and also X-box 360 or watching movies - the bass from dolby digital/dts encoded titles is fantastic without upsetting the overall balance of the film). I would be interested to know if you bass issues are something different entirelly (am I way off the target??)

This sounds exactly like what we all should be getting. But we are not.
I have full range speakers all around (with 12" drivers on my front Left and Right) and a Velodyne sub. And yet the Audyssey EQ'd bass response sounds like its from a TV speaker, I kid you not. The Sub is almost never active, even when set to LFE+Mains.

I wont again go through everything I have tried. But Ive basically tried everything in this discussion, the bugs discussion and the Odyssey discussion. Switching Room EQ OFF or using a customised manual EQ are the only things which give normal bass for me.

I dont like excessive bass and I know I have a 100hz resonant room frequency, which I can live with.

What I cant live with is an erroneous Audyssey drastic roll-off of everything under 200hz.
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post #4480 of 19879
1/3/08 at 9:09pm
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Originally Posted by kennyboy View Post

5 channel makes sense. Since I'm still on vacation, I went ahead and bi-amped the front R&L speakers and figured I ought to re-run the auto speaker setup after bi-amping. Not sure how much of a difference the bi-amping will really make but it makes me feel better. Thanks for all of your help. If I relied on Denon, I wouldn't have made this much progress.

Listen to it single wire and get a good feel for the sound. Then bi-amp it. You'll hear a definite improvement.
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post #4481 of 19879
1/3/08 at 9:13pm
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Originally Posted by quenthal View Post

I meant the overscan setting of your display/projector to make sure no borders is cut out from the picture. This is required as Denon allegedly messes up just the two rightmost rows of pixels.

If someone has PS3 or PC connected to Denon using 1080p could they try out those test patterns: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post12558172

I have a PS3 and I can confirm that there is an issue with at least one rightmost row of pixels (but I think you mean to say "columns").
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post #4482 of 19879
1/3/08 at 9:41pm
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Originally Posted by HumanMedia View Post

This sounds exactly like what we all should be getting. But we are not.
I have full range speakers all around (with 12" drivers on my front Left and Right) and a Velodyne sub. And yet the Audyssey EQ'd bass response sounds like its from a TV speaker, I kid you not. The Sub is almost never active, even when set to LFE+Mains.

I wont again go through everything I have tried. But Ive basically tried everything in this discussion, the bugs discussion and the Odyssey discussion. Switching Room EQ OFF or using a customised manual EQ are the only things which give normal bass for me.

I dont like excessive bass and I know I have a 100hz resonant room frequency, which I can live with.

What I cant live with is an erroneous Audyssey drastic roll-off of everything under 200hz.

Thanks for the update. I did find it interesting that when I first set the Denon up, it correctly detected the speakers (freq range/size) and the distances, but set the channel levels really high (plus 12dB). It also sent a very loud audyssey test signal to all channels (I had reset the sub prior to setting up so that it was consistent, but the sub signal was too high and "drowned" out one of the test positions). After updating to the latest firmware, the audyssey setup signal was far lower across all the channels and when finished, it was correct for speaker sizes/distances and freqs, but the channel levels were all around the 3 - 5dB mark. Obviously something changed between original firmware and version 1.60 (for NZ/Aus Denons).
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post #4483 of 19879
1/3/08 at 10:30pm
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Originally Posted by MacHaggis View Post

I have a PS3 and I can confirm that there is an issue with at least one rightmost row of pixels (but I think you mean to say "columns").

Oh no, this is not good news. How on earth can they even f...k this up?
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post #4484 of 19879
1/4/08 at 1:09am
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Originally Posted by Hotshotnz View Post

Hey Valmont

From what you describe it would appear unusual that you can't update. If you can connect to the internet radio, then you must have internet connectivity. What reset method did you use for the receiver? Check link #3816 as this usually works for the log on problem. (Turn off the receiver using the small power button, press and hold both the up and down arrows on the receiver and repower on the Denon - wait for display to flash a few times).

I'm not familiar with the D-Link as I'm using a Netgear WPN 824. The router is set to provide the addresses for attached devices (DHCP set to ON) and the only port forwarding I use is for my X-box 360. UPnP is set to OFF as the Denon couldn't connect properly with this on. Check what IP address the Denon has set for it using Network setup, then log onto your router and check on the connected devices - the Denon should show up here. You could even permanently set the IP address for the Denon on the router by reserving the address for the Denon on the router if that option is available.

Thank you for the clarification, I did not do the reset properly I gather. I will also try checking the router.

Can I see my current fw somehow?
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post #4485 of 19879
1/4/08 at 2:18am
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Originally Posted by MacHaggis View Post

I have a PS3 and I can confirm that there is an issue with at least one rightmost row of pixels (but I think you mean to say "columns").

Kishiro wrote good report on this issue at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post12558172

Does Denon mess up those pixels no matter what (video) settings are used?
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post #4486 of 19879
1/4/08 at 5:14am
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Originally Posted by JeffNLA View Post

Where did you get the notion that WEP can be broken in seconds? Can you post a link to that information. I know it can be broken... but not in seconds.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ds&btnG=Search

or 128 bit broken in 3 minutes? (180 seconds counts right?)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...es&btnG=Search

WEP is very insecure, there are tools that inject packets into a wireless network very quickly to gather the data needed to crack the encryption.
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post #4487 of 19879
1/4/08 at 5:27am
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Originally Posted by Supermann7 View Post

Anybody. I'm about to buy 3808 from J&R. I am worry about not getting the latest firmware in the unit. I saw in Denon latest update firmware is already out 12/21/07. What is the latest firmware I expect to see if I buy the unit let say tomorrow. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by couchMan1 View Post

Latest MAIN firmware in the US is 1.57. Don't worry about it though -- if you have a broadband connection then downloading the latest firmware is trivial to do (though it takes about an hour for it to complete). You don't even need to have the receiver hooked up to a monitor, in case you don't have ready access to your broadband network from wherever your TV is. You can navigate the whole process just using the display on the receiver.

I ordered mine on Dec. 24 it came with the original 1.28 firmware.
http://usa.denon.com/AVR-3808CIFirmw...te-Web1128.pdf
That's the firmware setup guide from the Denon product page (for some reason firmware upgrading is not included in the manual.) Apparently there have been 2 firmware releases since 1.28 but newer models will downlolad them both when you do your first firmware upgrade and take you to 1.57.
As stated it takes about an hour, mine got hung at the very last step (was done but didn't say "Complete"), but seems to be a common problem, after power cycling it was fine.
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post #4488 of 19879
1/4/08 at 6:03am
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Originally Posted by MacHaggis View Post

I have a PS3 and I can confirm that there is an issue with at least one rightmost row of pixels (but I think you mean to say "columns").

I haven't had this problem with either movies or games on my ps3. Maybe I just haven't noticed it though. I'll try those test patterns to make sure.
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post #4489 of 19879
1/4/08 at 6:38am
Hi,

I am asking myself a question about codec compatibilty of 3808.
Is it able to decode AC3+ and HE AAC audio ?
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post #4490 of 19879
1/4/08 at 7:40am
I experienced the low bass on a PCM track last night. I have both HD DVD and BD and listened to nothing but TrueHD or DTS MA tracks and enjoyed good bass throughout. I watched Casino Royale on BD last night and the only lossless track it has is PCM. All of the action scenes with explosions and the one scene with the building collapsing had nowhere near the amount of bass I was getting with the other tracks.

So should I just increase the gain when I listen to PCM tracks? What are you guys doing for this and is this something that a FW update could fix once/if released?
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post #4491 of 19879
1/4/08 at 7:45am
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Originally Posted by dmcfan View Post

I experienced the low bass on a PCM track last night. I have both HD DVD and BD and listened to nothing but TrueHD or DTS MA tracks and enjoyed good bass throughout. I watched Casino Royale on BD last night and the only lossless track it has is PCM. All of the action scenes with explosions and the one scene with the building collapsing had nowhere near the amount of bass I was getting with the other tracks.

So should I just increase the gain when I listen to PCM tracks? What are you guys doing for this and is this something that a FW update could fix once/if released?

You were using BD30 as player? I think there was some discussion that it might be BD30's fault, not receiver's.
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post #4492 of 19879
1/4/08 at 7:50am
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Originally Posted by RJonesUSC View Post

I haven't had this problem with either movies or games on my ps3. Maybe I just haven't noticed it though. I'll try those test patterns to make sure.

If it's not something that you noitice why would you want to run a specialized test. For myself, I have never noticed this and wouldn't spend the time running a test pattern to find something that I can't see during everyday use. I realize that there are people that thrive on these minuscule things... different strokes for different folks. I just enjoy the 3808 for what it is. Nothings perfect. If I were to believe half of the things I read here I would have trashed this unit a long time ago. Maybe I am lucky and got the one unit in the 3808 universe with no issues (same goes for my BD30 (BTW, no bass issues there) and 5271).
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post #4493 of 19879
1/4/08 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by quenthal View Post

You were using BD30 as player? I think there was some discussion that it might be BD30's fault, not receiver's.

Yes the BD30. Really? I guess I have to look at the BD30 threads then. I know the 10 had problems but maybe they carried over to the 30, damn.
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post #4494 of 19879
1/4/08 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by dmcfan View Post

Yes the BD30. Really? I guess I have to look at the BD30 threads then. I know the 10 had problems but maybe they carried over to the 30, damn.

Check here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post12659273
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post #4495 of 19879
1/4/08 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by carrera1 View Post

If it's not something that you noitice why would you want to run a specialized test. For myself, I have never noticed this and wouldn't spend the time running a test pattern to find something that I can't see during everyday use.

Reason I asked was because I'm using also my HTPC with 1080p. I know for sure that if this issue exists no matter what settings used with Denon, it would irritate me with static desktop/menus etc.
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post #4496 of 19879
1/4/08 at 8:14am
Jerry -

I have been using the Linksys WET11 ethernet bridge for my 4308 for some time now without a hitch.

Your best option would be to set up your bridge and then test it by connecting it to a computer to be sure the wireless is working correctly.

Once you know, then connect to the 3808 with automatic DNS or hand key in an IP based on your home network gateway.

Net:Net - this sounds like your linksys needs configuring rather than it being a receiver issue.


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Originally Posted by JerryD View Post

I desperately need HELP. I am trying to set up the ethernet connection to the 3808. I already have a wireless router which is operational. Do you first connect the ethernet bridge to a laptop and configure it to access ID, Security Type and Network Key, Channel No, before you connect it to the 3808?? If so, what after that?? Unfortunately, the Manual is very vague about what to do. I am trying to complete this setup in order to access Internet radio. Everything else is setup and working great.
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post #4497 of 19879
1/4/08 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by towerz View Post

I ordered mine on Dec. 24 it came with the original 1.28 firmware.
http://usa.denon.com/AVR-3808CIFirmw...te-Web1128.pdf
That's the firmware setup guide from the Denon product page (for some reason firmware upgrading is not included in the manual.) Apparently there have been 2 firmware releases since 1.28 but newer models will downlolad them both when you do your first firmware upgrade and take you to 1.57.
As stated it takes about an hour, mine got hung at the very last step (was done but didn't say "Complete"), but seems to be a common problem, after power cycling it was fine.


I just bought the 3808 this morning and the salesperson told me the AV shipped to his shop on the 12/12/07. I think I have the old firmware. I'll check the version. If it is, should I upgrade to the latest firmware right away?
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post #4498 of 19879
1/4/08 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by Supermann7 View Post

I just bought the 3808 this morning and the salesperson told me the AV shipped to his shop on the 12/12/07. I think I have the old firmware. I'll check the version. If it is, should I upgrade to the latest firmware right away?

Got my 3808 yesterday. First thing I did was plug in the monitor output and the Ethernet cable. Then checked the Network configuration in the Denon menu's. The unit had an IP assigned via DHCP. Next I printed out the update instructions and followed. Mine needed only the procedure 2. Performed the update and it went through without a hitch. Powered down the receiver after update complete displayed and the unit reset per the instructions. Then I played with Internet radio and music server for several hours. Real nice! Update took just over 45 minutes.
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post #4499 of 19879
1/4/08 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by Hotshotnz View Post

Hey Valmont

From what you describe it would appear unusual that you can't update. If you can connect to the internet radio, then you must have internet connectivity. What reset method did you use for the receiver? Check link #3816 as this usually works for the log on problem. (Turn off the receiver using the small power button, press and hold both the up and down arrows on the receiver and repower on the Denon - wait for display to flash a few times).

I'm not familiar with the D-Link as I'm using a Netgear WPN 824. The router is set to provide the addresses for attached devices (DHCP set to ON) and the only port forwarding I use is for my X-box 360. UPnP is set to OFF as the Denon couldn't connect properly with this on. Check what IP address the Denon has set for it using Network setup, then log onto your router and check on the connected devices - the Denon should show up here. You could even permanently set the IP address for the Denon on the router by reserving the address for the Denon on the router if that option is available.

I have now made a proper reset, I had missed the part where the display would flash. It would now connect and start the download. However, it has now stopped during the "Sflash Firm 30 min, updating", and nothing happens.

What to do? I dont dare turning it off...
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post #4500 of 19879
1/4/08 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by Supermann7 View Post

I just bought the 3808 this morning and the salesperson told me the AV shipped to his shop on the 12/12/07. I think I have the old firmware. I'll check the version. If it is, should I upgrade to the latest firmware right away?

Upgrade right away. I'm not sure there is any correlation between ship-date and firmware version.

Worst case is your receiver tells you "Latest". At least you'll be sure of where you stand.
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