AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Receivers, Amps, and Processors › The "Official" Denon AVR-3808CI Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

The "Official" Denon AVR-3808CI Thread - Page 194

post #5791 of 19878
2/12/08 at 7:41pm
hi guys, i duplicated this post somewhere on these forums, but thought it was relevant to ask here as well

i have a denon 3808 reciever. contimplating on whether i should get the ps3 for blue-ray functionality but maybe just use it for gaming instead. however, my main question is, since my reciever already does alot of decoding (i think), would i require a br player to decode onboard or would i just rely on streaming the signal to the reciever and have the reciever do the rest?

to me it sounds like an overkill to pay $$$ for something of which my reciever may already do. i can lower the cost of the player because of it. or is my thinking wrong? mainly interested in sound format options atm since sound comes in MANY formats (as this matrix has already shown). i already own the HD DVD optoin for the 360, however, this has limitted sound format options (mainly 5.1 dolby i think.. nothing higher..) and i have a 7.1 setup

opinions / options?
Reply
Reply

Gear mentioned in this thread:

post #5792 of 19878
2/12/08 at 8:34pm
I prefer a player that will let you bitstream via HDMI and let the 3808 do the decoding....Since you'll get codecs that you wouldnt be able to get via PCM..If I'm wrong about this someone will be along to straighten me out
Reply
Reply
post #5793 of 19878
2/12/08 at 8:42pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by cdscc View Post

Hi all,

I just received my receiver and have hooked it all up and it's ready to be updated. I'm hoping you can help me pick a wireless bridge/access point.

Our house is already set up for wireless. Our wireless router is the D-Link DI624 and we run WEP encrytion for security. I'd like to pick the easiest and most compatible bridge cuz I'm very much a neophyte when it comes to this stuff. My wife, who's in IT, is the one who set up the wireless network. Unfortunately, she doesn't get into our home theater setup so doesn't know enough about how the system works to recommend an appropriate bridge.

What do you guys think?

1. Should I stick with D-Link for compatibility reasons, or does it not matter and I hear good things about Linksys?

2. I see a lot of people use the Linksys WRT54G which is a router/switch/access point and turn off the router functionality so it acts as a switch and bridge only. Is this difficult and/or finicky?

3. My system has the 3808, PS3, and DirecTV HR-20 DVR. At some point, the DVR might be upgraded to the HR-21. Do I need more than one ethernet input to accomodate? I don't mind physically switching between the 3808 and DVR when I need to. I don't stream music from the network or anything like that that would make it mandatory to keep the receiver online at all times, mainly to download firmware updates. So maybe just a simple one-port bridge should work?

Cost isn't a huge consideration, although cheaper is of course better. As I mentioned before, ease of install and configuration is much more important.
I'd appreciate any thoughts and specific product recommendations.

TIA!

I too am in this pickle. I just picked up a Linksys WRT54G this weekend. Took a bit to set up, I've never messed with wifi before. Got the wifes laptop on and the Wii. Now I just have to get the PS3 on and the Denon. I'm not sure what the purpose of an Ethernet power line adapter would be over the WET54G fickle was purposing. I would think having the wifi adapter fickle was talking about would be a better way to go. If power in the house does something funky in a wind storm your screwed via wifi or your house power lines anyway right. I just wish the WET54G wasn't twice the price of the WRT54G router was I just bought. I mean, it does less than a quarter of what my router does and yet it's about $100. What gives with that?
Reply
Reply
post #5794 of 19878
2/12/08 at 8:44pm
Anyone have problem with the Internet radio tonight?

Wow, had several stations say 'connection down', then was able to get a station to work and about 1 song later the buffer went to 0% and the display read 'server disconnected'.

Tried reseting modem and router, and then tried to media share with my laptop (previously done often). The 3808 showed the laptop on the display but also showed (not authorized) after the name. Never seen that before-ever. Then the (not authorized) went away and I could media share.. However the I-net radio has not worked all night... Just curious if anyone else had problems.
Reply
Reply
post #5795 of 19878
2/12/08 at 10:13pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by am4966 View Post

So, I returned the Sharp and got the Panny BD 30 and put in Ice Age the Meltdown and now I have DTS-HD MSTR!

No soon my nephews go home, and I'm alone. I'll run Audessy and let this baby really go to work

I cannot be any happier right now! Well, when I get my new TV I'll be in heaven!


am

Great to hear! The PS3 is my only BluRay player right now, so I am keeping my eye out for a decently priced player. How is the Panny working out as far as boot times and such?
Reply
Reply
post #5796 of 19878
2/12/08 at 10:17pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by fickle View Post

curious, having a 3808, do i actually require a player to do any decoding when the 3808 can already do it? or do i just need something that streams? or are there other questions i should ask?

With the 3808 it doesn't matter if your BluRay player decodes or streams, both get the job done. I would prefer just using the bitstream and letting the Denon work it's magic. My eye is on the Panasonic BD30 or the Denon 2500 right now...
J
Reply
Reply
post #5797 of 19878
2/12/08 at 11:23pm
In-player decoding is actually more flexible since it allows the player to mix streams as needed. The PS3 works great, but currently doesn't support DTS-HD/MA, but DTS and Sony are reportedly working on it.

The Blu-Ray players are still pretty young in their life cycle and most of them have problems of one type or another. If you have a PS3, I'd recommend continuing to use it. For instance, the load time of most players is very long, but not so with the PS3. Would you really want to wait an extra 2 minutes to watch a movie just so you can see your receiver light up and say "Dolby True HD" rather than "Multi Channel PCM" ?

I may buy a standalone BD player some day, when there's one with features that trump my PS3 (perhaps a multi disc changer) or they've dropped so far in price there's no reason not to have one - but until then - the PS3 works well, works fast, is more powerful, is upgradable, scales DVDs well, and with a $13 NYKO IR to Bluetooth device can even be (mostly) controlled with a universal remote.
Reply
Reply
post #5798 of 19878
2/13/08 at 5:40am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steelheart1948 View Post

14.25 inches deep

The Denon website says it is 16.55 inches deep. I need someone to find out which depth is correct. I need it to include the knobs and the depth of the connectors on the back ( I figure they add 3/8"). Thanks in advance.
Reply
Reply
post #5799 of 19878
2/13/08 at 5:48am
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillW View Post

The Denon website says it is 16.55 inches deep. I need someone to find out which depth is correct. I need it to include the knobs and the depth of the connectors on the back ( I figure they add 3/8"). Thanks in advance.

Can't measure exactly since mine is in the cabinet but best estimate (can't see the rear connectors) is that it is 16.75" deep. That is measured out to the front knobs.

Hope that helps.
Reply
Reply
post #5800 of 19878
2/13/08 at 5:51am
Thats all I need to know, thanks for checking.

Bill
Reply
Reply
post #5801 of 19878
2/13/08 at 5:51am
Quote:
Originally Posted by bennutt View Post

With the 3808 it doesn't matter if your BluRay player decodes or streams, both get the job done. I would prefer just using the bitstream and letting the Denon work it's magic. My eye is on the Panasonic BD30 or the Denon 2500 right now...
J

To me it seemed like it booted faster than the Sharp....

Btw, BB has a Coupon out via email today 12% for rewards members or 10% for others.

Here is the link, but I dont know if it will work for those who want to download.

http://emailinfo.bestbuy.com/P/v3/Co...=1007&ci=50470
Reply
Reply
post #5802 of 19878
2/13/08 at 6:34am
Quote:
Originally Posted by JonW747 View Post


I may buy a standalone BD player some day, when there's one with features that trump my PS3 (perhaps a multi disc changer) or they've dropped so far in price there's no reason not to have one - but until then - the PS3 works well, works fast, is more powerful, is upgradable, scales DVDs well, and with a $13 NYKO IR to Bluetooth device can even be (mostly) controlled with a universal remote.

Where did you get the NYKO device, and what do you mean by "mostly" what can and can't it do?
I also have a Denon 3808, and just bought a PS3 for Blu-ray.
Reply
Reply
post #5803 of 19878
2/13/08 at 6:41am
Quote:
Originally Posted by electronleaker View Post

I too am in this pickle. I just picked up a Linksys WRT54G this weekend. Took a bit to set up, I've never messed with wifi before. Got the wifes laptop on and the Wii. Now I just have to get the PS3 on and the Denon. I'm not sure what the purpose of an Ethernet power line adapter would be over the WET54G fickle was purposing. I would think having the wifi adapter fickle was talking about would be a better way to go. If power in the house does something funky in a wind storm your screwed via wifi or your house power lines anyway right. I just wish the WET54G wasn't twice the price of the WRT54G router was I just bought. I mean, it does less than a quarter of what my router does and yet it's about $100. What gives with that?

There is another option that I'm currently researching, and that is to get a second WRT54G and install a different (3rdparty) firmware on it. This will allow it to act as a client to attach to your existing WRT54G, and give you 5 Ethernet ports and the other end. google WRT54G & DD-WRT.

http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv3/index.php
Reply
Reply
post #5804 of 19878
2/13/08 at 6:48am
Quote:
Originally Posted by am4966 View Post

To me it seemed like it booted faster than the Sharp....

Btw, BB has a Coupon out via email today 12% for rewards members or 10% for others.

Here is the link, but I dont know if it will work for those who want to download.

http://emailinfo.bestbuy.com/P/v3/Co...=1007&ci=50470

And CC has it (BD30) in their ad this week at a reduced price. Wish they would have had this a few weeks ago during the get 5 free mail-in and get 5 free at purchase.
Reply
Reply
post #5805 of 19878
2/13/08 at 6:55am
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayMan007 View Post

Where did you get the NYKO device, and what do you mean by "mostly" what can and can't it do?
I also have a Denon 3808, and just bought a PS3 for Blu-ray.

There's a much better device that I use which can also power on/off the PS3 with a universal IR based remote. Works GREAT. Much more responsive than the Nyko. Here's a thread discussing it:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=946674
Reply
Reply
post #5806 of 19878
2/13/08 at 7:18am
Quote:
Originally Posted by bennutt View Post

With the 3808 it doesn't matter if your BluRay player decodes or streams, both get the job done. I would prefer just using the bitstream and letting the Denon work it's magic. My eye is on the Panasonic BD30 or the Denon 2500 right now...
J

Just realize both players current suffer from the "LFE bug" for PCM audio and currently there is no firmware fix for the problem. We are hopeful Denon and Panasonic can resolve the issue. Check out the BD forms on here for lots more information regarding the issue.
Reply
Reply
post #5807 of 19878
2/13/08 at 7:20am
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayMan007 View Post

And CC has it (BD30) in their ad this week at a reduced price. Wish they would have had this a few weeks ago during the get 5 free mail-in and get 5 free at purchase.

what's the price going to be?
Reply
Reply
post #5808 of 19878
2/13/08 at 7:27am
Quote:
Originally Posted by yngdiego View Post

Just realize both players current suffer from the "LFE bug" for PCM audio and currently there is no firmware fix for the problem. We are hopeful Denon and Panasonic can resolve the issue. Check out the BD forms on here for lots more information regarding the issue.

Thanks for the heads up.. perhaps I should just be happy with what I have and wait it out a bit

J
Reply
Reply
post #5809 of 19878
2/13/08 at 9:06am
Quote:
Originally Posted by aham23 View Post

what's the price going to be?

449.99 -Its that now online, and I guess in store.
If you could get BB to PM with the 12% it could be less than $400.
Reply
Reply
post #5810 of 19878
2/13/08 at 9:27am
Quote:
Originally Posted by McGoogan View Post

Anyone have problem with the Internet radio tonight?

I did initially - there was a red square to the upper right of the display and no channel or song info displayed...I turned the unit off and back on and it said "Please wait" for about 2 minutes and then connected and played as normal. This was about 10PM-10:30PM central time.
Reply
Reply
post #5811 of 19878
2/13/08 at 9:32am
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayMan007 View Post

There is another option that I'm currently researching, and that is to get a second WRT54G and install a different (3rdparty) firmware on it. This will allow it to act as a client to attach to your existing WRT54G, and give you 5 Ethernet ports and the other end. google WRT54G & DD-WRT.

http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv3/index.php

After researching and going through the dd-wrt site, I am going to go this route. It's perfect for me assuming I can configure the WRT54G correctly, which is a big assumption.

I will post my results this weekend.
Reply
Reply
post #5812 of 19878
2/13/08 at 9:53am
Thanks all for the great info. After researching this site, I decided to go with the 3808. Called Steve at EE and he hooked me up.

Question - would you guys recommend getting extended mfg warranties for receivers from Denon and /or TV's from Samsung?
Reply
Reply
post #5813 of 19878
2/13/08 at 9:56am
Quote:
Originally Posted by mindaddy View Post

Thanks all for the great info. After researching this site, I decided to go with the 3808. Called Steve at EE and he hooked me up.

Question - would you guys recommend getting extended mfg warranties for receivers from Denon and /or TV's from Samsung?

Denon offers a mfg extended warranty? The dealers often sell a third party extended warranty which may not be so good.
Reply
Reply
post #5814 of 19878
2/13/08 at 9:59am
Quote:
Originally Posted by mindaddy View Post

Thanks all for the great info. After researching this site, I decided to go with the 3808. Called Steve at EE and he hooked me up.

Question - would you guys recommend getting extended mfg warranties for receivers from Denon and /or TV's from Samsung?

As a rule, I have always been against extended warranties on electronics, but then again I look for excuses to upgrade alot

TV's have been the single exception to my rule because in house service is invaluable vs having to shlep the TV into a repair shop if something goes wrong. Since you used Samsung as an example I had several light engine and screen issues on a 50" dlp set a few years back that would have cost a fortune without a warranty in place.

Denon receivers... I have had 4 of them. Never had one of them break down. My girlfriends parents are still using my first one from over TEN YEARS ago on a daily basis. They are solid as a rock as far as I'm concerned, and they typically have decent resale value when it's time to upgrade.

My two cents....
J
Reply
Reply
post #5815 of 19878
2/13/08 at 10:09am
Quote:
Originally Posted by bennutt View Post

As a rule, I have always been against extended warranties on electronics, but then again I look for excuses to upgrade alot

TV's have been the single exception to my rule because in house service is invaluable vs having to shlep the TV into a repair shop if something goes wrong. Since you used Samsung as an example I had several light engine and screen issues on a 50" dlp set a few years back that would have cost a fortune without a warranty in place.

Denon receivers... I have had 4 of them. Never had one of them break down. My girlfriends parents are still using my first one from over TEN YEARS ago on a daily basis. They are solid as a rock as far as I'm concerned, and they typically have decent resale value when it's time to upgrade.

My two cents....
J

*******************************************************
I used my Denon 3802 every day for Home Theatre, etc, since I bought it (in 2001 maybe?). I retired it a couple weeks ago...in it's place my 3808...Never had ANY problems with it..period! Denon does make a quality product (IMO)
Reply
Reply
post #5816 of 19878
2/13/08 at 10:32am
Well as a fed up Onkyo 905 user I just bought a 3808CI from Steven at Electronics Expo. He's easy to deal with and had the best price from an authorized dealer. For anyone else looking at the receiver, give him a call at 848 248 3498 to see what kind of deal he can give you.
Reply
Reply
post #5817 of 19878
2/13/08 at 11:05am
I've searched this tread to no avail so here goes...

I'm looking to buy an universal RF remote to use with my 3808 but I have a few reservations. The Denon rc7001 has a feature that I need my next remote to have and that feature is being able to pull up music tracks on my pc using the lcd display on the remote. This would allow me to be in my back yard, glance through my songs and pick one without having to select it from my pc or through my tv. The problem I'm having is that I've had Harmony remote for years and really enjoy them. Does anyone know if the Harmony 1000, ONE, or 890 be able to perform this function? Any info would be much appreciated.
Reply
Reply
post #5818 of 19878
2/13/08 at 11:30am
^^^^ those are LEARNING remotes and i see no reason why they could not learn that command straight from the Denon remote.

later.
Reply
Reply
post #5819 of 19878
2/13/08 at 11:33am
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayMan007 View Post

449.99 -Its that now online, and I guess in store.
If you could get BB to PM with the 12% it could be less than $400.

BB normal policy is that you can not use these coupons with any other offer or special or price match. some do get lucky and get away with both, but most do not. later.
Reply
Reply
post #5820 of 19878
2/13/08 at 11:57am
Can I use the linux distro I am going to put on my PS3 for streaming into the 3808?
And if so, does anyone recommend a specific distro /media player?
Reply
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors

Gear mentioned in this thread:

AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Receivers, Amps, and Processors › The "Official" Denon AVR-3808CI Thread